Is the Sig P320 Still Unsafe?
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gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Friends don't let friends sig.
oc shooter
.223 Rem
I've owned a p320/M17 for awhile not in love with it but no problems it eats what I feed it and runs fine
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Well shooting reliability isn’t the issue. What seems to be the issue is the random discharges while dropped or just being carried in a holster even after the recall.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
For those that own one, skip to 4:10 in the video below. You may be entitled to compensation.
They legit blame every issue on the user.. between guns going off and people being shot from an accidental discharge (yes in this case with the 320s its an AD not an ND) ...
Then at shot show when they reveled the 365 and it was having feeding issues (most believe it was from the magazine, probably still needed the final bugs worked out) sig blamed the shooters..
Then the whole 365 primer drag and broken strikers, again sig denied it, blamed the users, then did silent fixes on new ones
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
If possible I would just get a refund for the gun. I mean what is the point in having it? It can't even be a range toy. If the things are actually going off in holsters then they could definitely go off at the range (when you don't want it to). The chances are slim but it will always be there and bother you. It's why I sold my eotech back in the whole poa shift debacle. Would mine have done that? Probably not. But I don't want to have to worry about it.
repete
.338 Win Mag
Gee, that makes me want to run out and buy a Sig.
I'm going to be totally honest I may be way over reacting but because of this issue and the way sig handled it, it made me Leary enough of their products and customer service, that I didn't buy their product.
I like the p320. But, In an extremely competitive market with many great choices I had to narrow down my options of guns I like. There are plenty of other choices available that I like where I won't have these concerns in the back of my mind.
In my opinion, if you buy a pistol to use and Carry, i want total confidence in it. I wouldn't want to be carrying something that in the back of my mind im worried about the possibility of a rare but highly dangerous issue to happen. Not when there are so many other options that are comparable.
I feel sig rushed the product out too quickly and should have taken more time in R&D and testing. Not using customers to test it for them.
For the record, 4 other contemporaries of the sig p320 have gone on to be less popular but at least according to those who own then very widely liked, reliable and free of design defects. (fn 509, Beretta APX, Ruger American and the cz p10. The P10 is interesting because it can be argued that like the sig it was "rushed" too quickly to market, but cz has addressed their issues, stood by their product and made continual improvement. Cz handled the situation properly to the point where I would certainly buy their gun. The biggest irony is Beretta and FN appear to have taken their time with R&D for the 509 and APX respectively and their first version releases were rock solid reliable from day 1. Ironically the p320 has probably 10x the sales as the 509 and APX combined. Go figure.
I like the p320. But, In an extremely competitive market with many great choices I had to narrow down my options of guns I like. There are plenty of other choices available that I like where I won't have these concerns in the back of my mind.
In my opinion, if you buy a pistol to use and Carry, i want total confidence in it. I wouldn't want to be carrying something that in the back of my mind im worried about the possibility of a rare but highly dangerous issue to happen. Not when there are so many other options that are comparable.
I feel sig rushed the product out too quickly and should have taken more time in R&D and testing. Not using customers to test it for them.
For the record, 4 other contemporaries of the sig p320 have gone on to be less popular but at least according to those who own then very widely liked, reliable and free of design defects. (fn 509, Beretta APX, Ruger American and the cz p10. The P10 is interesting because it can be argued that like the sig it was "rushed" too quickly to market, but cz has addressed their issues, stood by their product and made continual improvement. Cz handled the situation properly to the point where I would certainly buy their gun. The biggest irony is Beretta and FN appear to have taken their time with R&D for the 509 and APX respectively and their first version releases were rock solid reliable from day 1. Ironically the p320 has probably 10x the sales as the 509 and APX combined. Go figure.
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I will argue that the 320 wasn't exactly rushed.. the 320 is nothing more than the failed P290.
It actually is all the same parts sig just swapped the hammer to a striker
P250?
I don't recall hearing the p250 having any issues I think it just wasn't popular due to a long trigger pull or something along those lines as it was a DAO hammer
Yea that thing
That_FNG
.308 Win
Is the Sig P320 still unsafe? Well only if it’s still made by Sig
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
That's why I waited and got the 365XL - seemed to have the quirks fixed. It's getting to be that you can't trust the first gen of guns now..
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
POS design. that is what happened.
This is why I never carry with "One in the Pipe"
Obviously, if I believe there will be an imminent situation, that changes. I prepare according to any perceived threat.
But "One in the Pipe", day-to-day, in my lifestyle ? Not yet.
Obviously, if I believe there will be an imminent situation, that changes. I prepare according to any perceived threat.
But "One in the Pipe", day-to-day, in my lifestyle ? Not yet.
That's another benefit to carrying C&R as a daily-carry.
If the flaws ain't been revealed in FIFTY YEARS of use, there are no flaws.
If the flaws ain't been revealed in FIFTY YEARS of use, there are no flaws.
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
I would strongly recommend against carrying this way. There are multiple instances on camera of people not given time (or not physically able) to rack the slide before firing. You could be carrying something, get injured in the arm, or even using your other arm to defend yourself while drawing.
Probably the most important reason - unless you've trained THOUSANDS of times, in the stress of the event you'll forget you don't have a round in the chamber and the moment you need to fire to save your life it goes "click" with no "bang".
TheMoneyPit
.357 mag
Once a gun loses my trust it’s gone. My first pistol was a Springfield xds chambered in 45acp. I had some issues with it but once the recalls confirmed it wasn’t just me I sold the gun.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
This.
Do the mental work so you're comfortable with doing so, but do this.
I would just add that if you're carrying a gun that you're not comfortable doing this with- you either need to train more/work through it mentally, or need a gun you are comfortable carrying this way (preferably both).
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
They carry for the most part without one in the pipe primarily.
If they would just put a trigger dongel in like every other pistol of its type they could put this issue to bed permanently. If they did it proper and chamfered the edges and speced to sit flush innthe trigger face like Walther has done with the PPQ shooters wouldn't even notice the damn thing. Glock has done neither of those things and I still don't notice the trigger dongus on the range.
Dingle, dangle, dingus, dongus. Its like a trigger condom innit? Or prophylactic even. Defense against the dreaded "accidental discharge".
Dingle, dangle, dingus, dongus. Its like a trigger condom innit? Or prophylactic even. Defense against the dreaded "accidental discharge".
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oc shooter
.223 Rem
earlier i posted that mine runs flawlessly I have complete confidence in it but mine has a saftey and i carry it loaded on safe not a problem for me because i've trained for 30 years pluss with drawing from a holster and pushing the safety off most of us who trained on 1911 style guns have no problem with this
I will also mention that the military received a slightly (very very slight) different design than the actual P320.. not just the safety but minor internal differences as well. Its actually what sig had to do to modify the 320s the first time the drop issue was addressed (aka after stomping their feet saying there wasn't any issue and no sig ever went off after being dropped or bumped, and then the lawsuits became public)
So recap. The military versions aka the M17 at the time already along with the thumb safety (per military requirements) had a different internal trigger system that was used as the upgrade during the recall.
Oh let's not forget all the issues the M17 had the first what year or 2 after being adopted??? Which is hilarious because well the p320 had already been on the market for 3 years and still had issues once adopted
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BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
And then...
Came this).
www.courant.com
Came this).
East Hartford police union president says some department-issued pistols don’t shoot straight, a defect that could lead to ‘a needless tragedy’
The president of East Hartford’s police union says some department-issued pistols do not shoot straight, a dangerous defect that exposes cops and the department to “a needless tragedy.&…
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drowhawk
.44 mag
Anyone looking for a P320C? This made me sick as my EDC is a 320C (updated design) and I was assured the issues were fixed.
Guess it's time for a Glock.
Guess it's time for a Glock.