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So now it’s if we get to Venezuela status where we are eating our pets. That’s what you are saying? No semi auto bans? No full registration of all firearms? No ANTIFA protests?
The Democrats want Trump to win.
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spat
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If 30 random people just decided they were going to fight back, and then 30 random judges and legislators who were recently in the headlines for egregious violations got killed, how fast do you think they would track that down ?
If you decided tomorrow that the prosecutor abusing the McCloskey’s needed to go, how long would it take them to make that connection back to you ?
Remember the DC snipers, how long it took them to find those guys ?
Imagine if every one of those kills was from a different unconnected shooter.
Marine Cpl
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I’m not tracking. Are you saying that you will get away and they will have to track you down for shooting a politician and cops assigned to his security?
The DC snipers evaded because they shot random, regular people. What do you think would happen if instead it was at Cuomo and his detail?
spat
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I'm saying that we are headed to the eating your pets stage eventually.
Make sure you've still got your guns when it happens. If they pass registration or bans, lots of people will just refuse to comply (see SAFE act).
Are they going to go door to door then ? Maybe that's enough to start the shooting. You've got your non compliant AR in a closet, and you hear that the guy down the street just got killed when they came for his, do you get rid of yours, or do you start slitting throats ?
Or are they going to just pick off a few people here and there as they get busted for other stuff ? If SAFE is any indication, it'll take them 100 years to get them that way, and by then I won't care.
But, no, we're not going to get there from Antifa and BLM burning down some inner city neighborhoods.
We might get there if BLM and Antifa start burning down residential areas and people go to prison for stopping them.
That happens, then you stop them and you don't call the cops, you just make them disappear.
spat
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The vast majority of the swamp critters do not have a security detail.
It also depends, are you a lone actor ? Then people with security details are too ambitious to be targets for you.
If you've got a dozen guys with you, then there won't be a detail left to be witnesses.
Also, if things are bad enough, then risk tolerance is much higher. Right now even with a 90% chance of getting away, most people wouldn't take it.
But if things get Venezuela bad, maybe you're more willing to roll those dice.
Im not on board with this theory at all.
This goes so much further than the Russian hoax and the Ukraine hoax.....every single moment of every single day the left has attacked, lied, slandered, liabled and literally were brought to tears in congress trying to find a way to get rid of Trump. Even before the 2016 election Adam Shiff and Pelosi had plans to impeach Trump. They disagreecand lie about every single thing Trump says or does. They even argued that the Big Macs were NOT piled 10 miles high.
They have poisoned 10s of millions of peoples minds against Trump. I know people who believe Trump has killed gays in the street and has completely destroyed our country. 10s of millions who would NEVER vote Trump.
Isnt that a silly way to get him re-elected?
Even now the left is fighting for mail in voting very hard. Nancy Pelosi has even mentioned that if Trump postpones the election or if it takes until Jan 21 to count the mail in votes, SHE becomes president.
Isnt that a silly way to let him win?
As far as Biden....
He is the perfect choice.
People like Joe Biden, they always have.
Even old school conservatives admired his poitical style .....30 years ago.
Now hes just a maluable puppet with a soft voice and very likeable to most democrats. Hes the perfect choice.
The elite dems know he doesnt want the job, you can see it in his eyes. They want a president they can fully control so they dont have to deal with another Trump who does what he wants.
No, the dems want to win in the worst way. They have started the decline of our country and want it to last.
A lame duck Trump will be a real pain in the ass and there is no way RBG makes it another 4 years......maybe.
Annnd....
This may be Pelosi and Shumers last chance, they are very, very old.
This election is being run by those 2 and they want the power one last time before the end.
I have some expierience with the elderly and dementia. Pelosi may be just as bad a Biden just hiding it better because we dont see her speak as much. But if you look at her speeches from 30 years ago, shes not the same person by any means.
Noway, the dems want this badly.
Their problem is trying to find ONE candidate to bring together the Dems, the Liberals, BLM, Bernie supporters, LGBTQ, AOC supporters, ANTIFA supporters and independants.....and probably several other wacko groups, thats a tough thing to do.
These groups barely agree on anything......except that Trump must go at all costs.
This may be Pelosi and Shumers last chance, they are very, very old.
This election is being run by those 2 and they want the power one last time before the end.
I have some expierience with the elderly and dementia. Pelosi may be just as bad a Biden just hiding it better because we dont see her speak as much. But if you look at her speeches from 30 years ago, shes not the same person by any means.
Noway, the dems want this badly.
Their problem is trying to find ONE candidate to bring together the Dems, the Liberals, BLM, Bernie supporters, LGBTQ, AOC supporters, ANTIFA supporters and independants.....and probably several other wacko groups, thats a tough thing to do.
These groups barely agree on anything......except that Trump must go at all costs.
No.
I know Democrats deep in the throws of TDS who are pissed the Democratic Party decided to run Creepy Joe and Ugly Ho. They are seriously considering voting 3rd party as a result.
The #walkaway movement is gaining strength, as more and more Democrat Voters feel disenfranchised by their own Party.
Biden was, literally, the worst possible choice they could have made short of sticking Ol' Hag Hillary back up there. But even the other options had little chance to beat Trump if they continued down the "ban guns", "tax everything in sight", "shit on honest citizens" paths.
Which is why what they SHOULD be doing is ignoring those extremist groups. Those will not help them win the President's seat.
I submit that the majority of voters are more "moderate", and middle-of-the-road. We've seen Republicans lose spectacularly when they start veering off to the extreme Right, and now we're seeing the pendulum swing back the other way. The Democrats have veered so far left they have abandoned their base. These "moderate" voters will not vote for the extremists. They may not, necessarily, vote Republican, but they surely will not support what the Democratic Party has become.
Right now, this election is for each Party to lose.
Democrats are doing a great job of losing it. It is up to Republicans to NOT go full retard Right-wing and drive people away who are holding their noses to vote for them.
I cant think of a better choice than Biden. He does have the support of many moderates and independents because he is not too far left but also can get the "never Trumpers" because of his "new found" leftist views.
And they absolutely DO need all of those groups to win and want them badly. They have been begging for their support for the last 4 years.
Without Bernie and AOC and LGBT and BLM voters, they stand no chance.
The dems have so poisoned peoples minds, they will vote for anyone but Trump. And soft, sleepy Joe is the absolute best choice. He doesnt necessarily piss off any of those groups as bad as the other choices.
And as for the anecdotal.....
My niece and about a dozen of her friends who voted for Trump in 2016 because he was a business man and they thought he might do a good job are ALL voting for Biden because they have a laundry list of things Trump has failed at. Most things he has no choice over but my niece and friends are young and dumb.....family leave, child care, fracking on Refuges, cutting environmental safeties......
Then you have the Repubs against Trump....Lindsey Graham, Mitt Romney....and that group is growing as fast as the walk away group.
I know Trump is going to win because I still have faith in the independents and moderates to pull us through, because after all, they choose the president every time.
Dr. Evil
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Still waiting.
Boom! And you think Biden and company never knew? Lol.. That whole Administration should be hanging from the gallow. Obvious Treason!
thefederalist.com
FBI Attorney Kevin Clinesmith Pleads Guilty To Falsifying Carter Page FISA Warrant
Kevin Clinesmith, a former top lawyer in James Comey's FBI, pleaded guilty on Friday to falsifying a federal spy warrant against Carter Page.
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It feels almost silly citing examples, when the man is a walking quote machine of vulgarity, bigotry and ill-will.
Anyways:
His remarks about Mexicans being rapists and criminals, about Haiti and African countries being shitholes, about Black people being lazy, his classic pussy grabbing line, his cozying up to the Charlottesville white supremacists, his desire to "sell" Puerto Rico off...I could go on.
His behavior, language, antics don't encourage civility. They don't promote the US being a "melting pot." Trump basically is a narrow minded bully who wields the world's strongest military and economy as a club.
Jcp123
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I’m a bit more generous about Trump than you, but my wife has said of her family (Salvadorans) that even the apolitical ones are feeling obligated to get up and cast a ballot against Trump this year.
Hey, on the bright side, I bet our new Chinese overlords are great at cooking dog, maybe they can share a recipe or two.
BDinPutnam
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So which is it?
They're doing everything in their power to lose?
They're doing everything in their power to steal the election?
Advancing both arguments at the same time is... interesting.
They're doing everything in their power to lose?
They're doing everything in their power to steal the election?
Advancing both arguments at the same time is... interesting.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Trump, the Dem Media and the Charlottesville Lie | RealClearPolitics
The president of the United States, Donald Trump, never said there were
Fact-Check: Donald Trump Did Not Call All Mexicans 'Rapists' and 'Criminals' | Breitbart
During Tuesday night's vice presidential debate, Virginia Senator Tim Kaine claimed that “As a candidate, started his campaign where he called Mexicans rapists and criminals.” - Fact-Check | Politics
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Trump was referring to the government and people who run the country, not to the citizens: Trump is Correct, Haiti is a Shithole | The Liberty Conservative
Even SNOPES isn't sold on Trump and the black laziness comment - Did Trump Say 'Laziness Is a Trait in Blacks; No Black President Again Any Time Soon'?
"As the Washington Post noted, it is, at best, a secondhand quote from a private conversation, written down years after the fact, and should be viewed “with some skepticism.”
Does he have his faults? Who the hell doesn't. IMHO though you seem to rely on the MSM narrative a bit more than I do as they twist anything and everything he says to try and corner him. He is colorful, tough, sometimes abrasive but loves this country. I say people need to put on their big boy pants and look at the body of work. IMHO he is one of the hardest working presidents in my lifetime. He didn't sign up for the 24/7 barrage. They have said much worse things about him and his family as a whole than he has said about others. Oh yeah, the pussy line. I can remember a few things I have said in my lifetime as a male with friends. We all laughed and went back to our mundane lives without any harm. You want perfection? I wish you luck in your endeavor.
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spat
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It's almost like they don't really have a coherent plan for anything.
I don't think the "they want to lose" is some sort of strategic vision, but I am sure they have some people who feel that way and are working for it.
I am also sure that the vast majority of them desperately want to win and many would do anything they think will help.
A single person can hold contradictory ideas or motives, it's called cognitive dissonance.
A large group of people, even if seemingly united behind a cause, will almost certainly do so.
BDinPutnam
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You realize I was referring to the Trump people, right?
spat
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I didn't realize there were people claiming that Trump was trying to lose. I just assumed you were talking about the Democrats.
BDinPutnam
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ProgSpear
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minor fix.
True. Rock and a hard place describes the situation. Again, I prefer Trump to Biden, but casting my vote will feel like a Faustian bargain.
spat
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Ok, so I did understand your comment then ?
This is getting a little messy.
I *think* you were referring to the forum members claims that Democrats both do and do not want Trump to win ?
I was pointing out that it's almost certain that both claims are correct, since any group the size of the Democrat party is unlikely to have a single coherent vision.
They certainly have people in leadership positions who want Trump to win, and they also certainly have people who want him to lose.
The contradiction you are trying to point out is not a fault in our logic here, it's the Democrats inability to form a coherent plan.
I feel far more confident in my vote this year than 2016. Back then Trump was the least bad option, especially compared to hillary. Now I am pro Trump. He is not perfect. His style needs... polish to say the least. But for the most part his policies are a clear preference compared to Biden and the democrats. His biggest fault is his fiscal irresponsibility. Unfortunately he learned there is no political reward for adhering to a balanced budget so he doesn't even pay it lip service these days. On the plus side, unlike his execrable predecessor he has not turned the executive branch into a weapon against American citizens or his political opponents. If Biden gets in the same despicable crew will return and our migration to an official banana republic will be complete.
spat
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"No inspection ready unit ever passed combat".
Just like you should judge a military unit on it's combat effectiveness and not it's parade uniforms, I will judge Trump by his ability to overcome political obstacles and get things working closer to the way i think they should than I will on his rhetoric.
Robin
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No they don't.
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BDinPutnam
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And I judge based on actions and what I see I don't like.
As much as I hate to admit it... I am pretty sure Biden is going to win. There are just too many liberals to avoid it. It's not about Trump being better or worse... It's about "We (as in the liberal Marxist left) HATE Trump so much, we are willing to give up all our rights to get him out!". And there are WAY more of them in the form of the indoctrinated, self-absorbed, participation trophy Millenials in those Key States with vast Urban Centers, like CA, NY, CT, MA, etc, than there are conservative Gen X'ers and Baby Boomers combined. Hell, more than half of Gen X'ers are liberal fucks too... This race was over before it even started in my opinion... Remember... The goal here is not to put Biden in the WH... It's to put Harris in the WH. Mark my words... a month or two in Biden is going to step down for "Health reasons" and she becomes President.... Then God help us all, because after we lose the Senate in November (which I also foresee happening)... WE ARE FUCKED!
Trump is the most visible elected official in the world. Rhetoric and words (spoken, written and tweeted) are the means by which he influences and implements policy. This is not a football game where his physical actions are the bottom line.