The Coming Coup

[1075tech]

Let me help you out with that since it seems reading isn't your strong point then.

From my post: Cuomo, and crew own their mistakes such as sending people with COVID back to nursing homes. I don't absolve Cuomo of his mistakes either.

It was no "mistake". It was a purposeful calculated move to A. Reduce medicaid/medicare spending; B. Increase federal aid to the state (pay per death); C. Increase the fear and panic in the general population; D. seize funds from patients and their families. I'm sure there were more reasons, but mostly financial.

"For the love of money is the root of all evil: "

 

[SonOfSun]

It was no "mistake". It was a purposeful calculated move to A. Reduce medicaid/medicare spending; B. Increase federal aid to the state (pay per death); C. Increase the fear and panic in the general population; D. seize funds from patients and their families. I'm sure there were more reasons, but mostly financial.

"For the love of money is the root of all evil: "

Yeah I don't buy that. The idea that he wanted to increase federal aid via pay per death is tinfoil hat level stuff.

They anticipated much more capacity in hospitals then they actually needed. That's also why the feds sent the hospital boat to NY, everyone thought they were going to need way more beds than they had, including Trump. I attribute that to a mistake when trying to figure out how much capacity you need for an event we have no real similar comparable to since the 1918-1920. All the experts from then are dead, happened 100 years ago.

 

[MothMan]

Have heard Trump throw the 11k death number at Monkeyface a couple of times.

Haven’t heard Cuomo refute it.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Plenty of space in my brain for "Cuomo is an asswipe" and "Trump is a douche" to co-exist.

 

[stokes]

Yeah I don't buy that. The idea that he wanted to increase federal aid via pay per death is tinfoil hat level stuff.

They anticipated much more capacity in hospitals then they actually needed. That's also why the feds sent the hospital boat to NY, everyone thought they were going to need way more beds than they had, including Trump. I attribute that to a mistake when trying to figure out how much capacity you need for an event we have no real similar comparable to since the 1918-1920. All the experts from then are dead, happened 100 years ago.

"They"? Cumhole "anticipated" much more.He demanded 30k ventilators. When Trump sent him 4,000 immediately,he cried like a baby about how Trump should pick the 26,000 NYers who will die.Never used any of the 4k vents,he gave them all to NJ.He requested the hospital ship and when they said they wouldnt use it for covid cases but for regular hospital cases to ease the strain on the hospitals he again bashed Trump and they relented and said they would accept covid cases. They didnt need it and sent it away.Set up hospital tents and never used them.All money spent and wasted by Fredo's big brother.Everything that happened in NYS falls on Cumhole.From the very begining he claimed he would make all decisions concerning handling the pandemic as well as other Dem governors,that Trump had nothing to say about what would close or when things open.Now that they're in over their heads they want to blame Trump.

 

[Defilade]

"They"? Cumhole "anticipated" much more.He demanded 30k ventilators. When Trump sent him 4,000 immediately,he cried like a baby about how Trump should pick the 26,000 NYers who will die.Never used any of the 4k vents,he gave them all to NJ.He requested the hospital ship and when they said they wouldnt use it for covid cases but for regular hospital cases to ease the strain on the hospitals he again bashed Trump and they relented and said they would accept covid cases. They didnt need it and sent it away.Set up hospital tents and never used them.All money spent and wasted by Fredo's big brother.Everything that happened in NYS falls on Cumhole.From the very begining he claimed he would make all decisions concerning handling the pandemic as well as other Dem governors,that Trump had nothing to say about what would close or when things open.Now that they're in over their heads they want to blame Trump.

And now asswipe Cuomo wants Fed money for running the State in the ground because of lost tax revenue from his lockdowns. Such leadership!

 

[Celt]

How so, what "should" he have done differently? What didnt he do that he should have?

@SonOfSun , I am curious if you have an answer for this. Its a serious question, and Im hoping your opinion isnt based off of media talking points.

 

[holdover]

by the time Cuomo is done, Hes going to be the only one left in this state to pay taxes.

 

[Defilade]

by the time Cuomo is done, Hes going to be the only one left in this state to pay taxes.

Yep, searching for Homes in Georgia last night.

 

[Elwood]

"They"? Cumhole "anticipated" much more.He demanded 30k ventilators. When Trump sent him 4,000 immediately,he cried like a baby about how Trump should pick the 26,000 NYers who will die.Never used any of the 4k vents,he gave them all to NJ.He requested the hospital ship and when they said they wouldnt use it for covid cases but for regular hospital cases to ease the strain on the hospitals he again bashed Trump and they relented and said they would accept covid cases. They didnt need it and sent it away.Set up hospital tents and never used them.All money spent and wasted by Fredo's big brother.Everything that happened in NYS falls on Cumhole.From the very begining he claimed he would make all decisions concerning handling the pandemic as well as other Dem governors,that Trump had nothing to say about what would close or when things open.Now that they're in over their heads they want to blame Trump.

You forgot the part where he sent the infected to stay with nana, then tried to deny any culpability.

 

[Elwood]

Let me help you out with that since it seems reading isn't your strong point then.

From my post: Cuomo, and crew own their mistakes such as sending people with COVID back to nursing homes. I don't absolve Cuomo of his mistakes either.

When the whole nursing home inpatient program blew up, jackass was insistent that nobody was to blame and nobody should be held accountable, you call that “owning a mistake” ? You are delusional.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

by the time Cuomo is done, Hes going to be the only one left in this state to pay taxes.

You are kidding yourself. Cuomo doesn't pay taxes.

 

[technicalgadget]

 

[1075tech]

by the time Cuomo is done, Hes going to be the only one left in this state to pay taxes.

You are kidding yourself. Cuomo doesn't pay taxes.

He'll use his "emergency" powers to exempt himself

 

[1075tech]

Dems don't want the fact that your signature on your ballot doesn't match that on record to be a problem.

Could bad penmanship get your ballot tossed? Dems asking courts ahead of election.

Trump legal team argues signature verification crucial to prevent fraud.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[Defilade]

Dems don't want the fact that your signature on your ballot doesn't match that on record to be a problem.

Could bad penmanship get your ballot tossed? Dems asking courts ahead of election.

Trump legal team argues signature verification crucial to prevent fraud.

abcnews.go.com

So obvious what the hell they are up too. Lol

 

[BDinPutnam]

@SonOfSun , I am curious if you have an answer for this. Its a serious question, and Im hoping your opinion isnt based off of media talking points.

In fairness, what non-media talking points are there for either side of this argument?

 

[masterswimmer]

In fairness, what non-media talking points are there for either side of this argument?

There are many of us who can watch various videos, read lots of articles, listen to a litany of factual accounts of actions, successes, failures, accusations, etc and formulate our own opinions. With that being said, some of us can even use critical thinking to come to a decision on which way we lean politically.

You for instance, you have indubitably made it very clear that you dislike both candidates with a passion. Although I disagree with your disdain for President Trump I do respect that you've come up with an independent opinion that doesn't swing your vote in one direction because of your hatred of either candidate.

Just because my vote goes to President Trump should not be mistaken for a blind vote for any and all Republicans. For instance, I did not vote for the Republican nominee John McCain mostly because his choice of Sarah Palin was a disgrace. The thought of McCain dying in office and Palin stepping in as POTUS was laughable.

There are plenty of ways to speak in support of ones choice of candidate without regurgitating media talking points.

 

[1075tech]

So obvious what the hell they are up too. Lol

They don't even try to hide it. But the masses of morons will still blindly follow

 

[Celt]

In fairness, what non-media talking points are there for either side of this argument?

The facts of what he actually did compared to what the media is "saying" he did or didnt do.

But @SonOfSun didnt answer because his criticisms are likely based on the biased media talking points.

I was curious if his opinion was based on fact or fiction.

 

[HIghlander]

They could reject Republican votes using the signature not correct also.

 

[SonOfSun]

How so, what "should" he have done differently? What didnt he do that he should have?

The same thing he does today by pretty diacouraging mask use. Asks reporters to take them off, etc.
Attached to above, failure to utilize the DPA to ensure availability of protective equipment. Go buy a N95 at a store... Oh wait you can't, but you can get Chinese KN95s.
Actively dismissing expert advice. Back when we had a 15ish cases Fauci gave a whole brief to he public about expecting community spread, etc. Trump comes on right after and goes polar opposite saying soon it will be 0 cases. Today, 6+ million cases in the usa....

His whole handing of the issue has been a disgrace. A national and international embarrassment.

 

[SonOfSun]

But @SonOfSun didnt answer because his criticisms are likely based on the biased media talking points.

When was the last time I posted? A couple days away unplugged with the wife and kids.

 

[spat]

The same thing he does today by pretty diacouraging mask use. Asks reporters to take them off, etc.
Attached to above, failure to utilize the DPA to ensure availability of protective equipment. Go buy a N95 at a store... Oh wait you can't, but you can get Chinese KN95s.
Actively dismissing expert advice. Back when we had a 15ish cases Fauci gave a whole brief to he public about expecting community spread, etc. Trump comes on right after and goes polar opposite saying soon it will be 0 cases. Today, 6+ million cases in the usa....

His whole handing of the issue has been a disgrace. A national and international embarrassment.

You mean back when he shutdown flights from China and Nancy Pelosi was accusing him of being racist for doing it ?

Then she called for people to crowd into chinatown to show their support ?

When Mike Bloomberg, Chuck Schumer and just about everyone else that might pass as leadership in the Democrat party was calling the china travel ban racist and an overreaction ?

I remember that, it wasn’t that long ago. Don’t let them convince you that it didn’t happen.

 

[spat]

The same thing he does today by pretty diacouraging mask use. Asks reporters to take them off, etc.
Attached to above, failure to utilize the DPA to ensure availability of protective equipment. Go buy a N95 at a store... Oh wait you can't, but you can get Chinese KN95s.
Actively dismissing expert advice. Back when we had a 15ish cases Fauci gave a whole brief to he public about expecting community spread, etc. Trump comes on right after and goes polar opposite saying soon it will be 0 cases. Today, 6+ million cases in the usa....

His whole handing of the issue has been a disgrace. A national and international embarrassment.

If you eliminate the 5 states with Democrat governors who ordered known infected people sent to nursing homes, then the US has one of the best records on corona in the world.

Get rid of the 40% of the US deaths that should be classified as homicide by those governors instead of corona and the US response makes us look like rock stars.

 

[Elwood]

His whole handing of the issue has been a disgrace. A national and international embarrassment.

The same could be said for your homie lil’ andy.
His entire career has been a failure, and corruption

Cuomo calls on wealthy New Yorkers to come back to the city: 'I'll buy you a drink!' | Fox News

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo urged wealthy New Yorkers to return to Manhattan as the coronavirus is now “under control,” to assist the city with the financial burden caused by the pandemic.

www.foxnews.com

 

[SonOfSun]

The same could be said for your homie lil’ andy.
His entire career has been a failure, and corruption

Cuomo calls on wealthy New Yorkers to come back to the city: 'I'll buy you a drink!' | Fox News

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo urged wealthy New Yorkers to return to Manhattan as the coronavirus is now “under control,” to assist the city with the financial burden caused by the pandemic.

www.foxnews.com

When did I say I like Cuomo? There seems to be this disconnect where people think because I think Trump has done a bad job that I think Cuomo has done a good job.

 

[SonOfSun]

You mean back when he shutdown flights from China and Nancy Pelosi was accusing him of being racist for doing it ?

Then she called for people to crowd into chinatown to show their support ?

When Mike Bloomberg, Chuck Schumer and just about everyone else that might pass as leadership in the Democrat party was calling the china travel ban racist and an overreaction ?

I remember that, it wasn’t that long ago. Don’t let them convince you that it didn’t happen.

Oh, I definitely agree with Trumps travel ban from China. He should have gone a step further and banned Europe as well. Pelosi etc can cry racism but that's just nonsense. Preventing people from traveling to the US from a high infection area during a pandemic isn't racist, and it's laughable to try to claim it. If anything I dont think Trump went far enough with his travel bans.

 

[Celt]

The same thing he does today by pretty diacouraging mask use. Asks reporters to take them off, etc.
Attached to above, failure to utilize the DPA to ensure availability of protective equipment. Go buy a N95 at a store... Oh wait you can't, but you can get Chinese KN95s.
Actively dismissing expert advice. Back when we had a 15ish cases Fauci gave a whole brief to he public about expecting community spread, etc. Trump comes on right after and goes polar opposite saying soon it will be 0 cases. Today, 6+ million cases in the usa....

His whole handing of the issue has been a disgrace. A national and international embarrassment.

Glad you had a chance to unplug with the family, genuinely.

Considering its a no win situation Id say he did pretty well overall. If he locked down the US and by default the world the global economy would have went into the deepest depression we would have ever seen. Its pretty hard to strike a balance between everything at stake. Below are key take aways of things he did to help keep the boat afloat.



FACT SHEETS

KEY TAKEAWAYS:

Took early action to cut off travel from China.

Built the world’s leading testing system from nothing.

Enacted mitigation measures to slow the spread.

Mobilized public and private sectors to secure needed supplies.

Took action to protect vulnerable Americans.

Launched effort to deliver a vaccine and therapeutics in record time.

Provided support to workers and businesses.

Paved way for reopening to get America working again.

Surged resources to hot spots as they arose.

Confronted China as origin of the virus while Democrats and media cowered.

At the outset, President Trump took action to stop travel from China to stem the spread to the United States as long as possible.

Trump took swift and decisive action to stop travel from China in January and enhanced airport screenings to help stop cases from coming into the United States as long as possible.

President Trump built the world’s leading testing system from nothing, based on a virus we have never faced before.

We have already conducted more than 65 million tests, far outpacing any other country.

President Trump released guidance recommending mitigation measures critical to slowing the spread of the virus, and the American people stepped up to do their part.Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx have attested to the fact that President Trump took action as soon as the data was presented to him.

In order to secure the supplies needed to confront the surge in coronavirus we faced, President Trump led the largest mobilization of public and private sector resources since WWII.

The President directed his Administration to secure and distribute needed medical supplies to states in need – resulting in billions of PPE delivered so far.

At the President’s urging, private companies shifted production to supplying masks, ventilators, hand sanitizer, testing supplies, and more.

President Trump has acted under the Defense Production Act more than 30 times to ensure we have the supplies we need.When we faced a potentially catastrophic shortage of ventilators,

President Trump took action to produce 100,000 ventilators and ensure no patient who needs one goes without a ventilator.

President Trump moved swiftly to protect vulnerable communities.

The Administration quickly established guidelines for nursing homes and expanded telehealth opportunities to protect our vulnerable seniors.

The President took action to ensure that uninsured Americans are able to get the COVID-19 care and testing they need.

President Trump directed Secretary Carson to focus the White House Opportunity and Revitalization Council on underserved communities impacted by COVID-19.

The Administration is investing approximately $2 billion in community health centers, helping their 28 million patients in medically underserved areas receive the care and testing they need.

Early in the fight against the virus, President Trump launched a historic effort to develop a vaccine and therapeutics in record time.

President Trump understood early on that in order to defeat this virus once and for all and protect Americans, we need a vaccine and therapeutics. President Trump revolutionized the clinical trial process to ensure Americans get a safe vaccine as quickly as possible, by providing unprecedented investments in leading vaccine candidates to simultaneously produce them as they are tested and developed.

President Trump responded to the devastating toll the virus took on our businesses and workers and secured unprecedented financial support.

The President negotiated and launched the Paycheck Protection Program – helping save 51 million American jobs.

President Trump secured direct payments to help the countless Americans who are hurting due to the pandemic.

President Trump took executive action to give tax relief to workers, ensure unemployment benefits for those out of work, prevent families from losing their homes to eviction or foreclosure, and provide student debt relief for Americans already hurting due to the virus.

As hot spots have emerged, President Trump has surged resources to impacted areas while enabling us to prevent another nationwide shutdown.

The President has provided support to states facing new emergences of the virus, including surging testing sites, deploying medical personnel, and advising on mitigation strategies.

President Trump has rightly called out China’s handling of the virus for refusing to be transparent and failing to contain the virus before it spread.The President held the WHO accountable for its egregious bias towards China that jeopardizes the safety of Americans.