How does Trump take down the CIA and Spy Agencies?

[Frankly]

Taking down CNN is nothing, my concern of late is that the CIA is actively working against Trump and somehow he has to reign them in and fire hundreds of spooks... who are capable of inflicting mortal wounds (i.e. JFK).

It'll all be behind the scenes, hopefully he has enough good people to fight the power... we'll never know the whole story but this is how I view all the news and gossip going forward.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I think there is a behind the scenes covert civil war playing out between the nationalists and the deep state.

We need trump to win if we want a country.

You have to hope that enough people are not in those agencies because they want power and a career, but are there because deep down they are patriotic and have a sense of moral conviction and duty to America and will do the right thing when it matters. Time will tell.

 

[Frankly]

You're right, the mid-level guys need to thwart their bosses.

 

[prambo]

Obola has had 8 years to gut and politicize all .GOV agencies.

If it gets serious enough, IMHO there is only one option....and that choice has other repercussions...

 

[Frankly]

Not that I know anything but yeah, if the SHTF then General Mattis in charge trumps any alternatives. I also get the impression he is less enamored with the military industrial arms complex and spy agencies than most of his peers.

 

[1911guy]

Taking down CNN is nothing, my concern of late is that the CIA is actively working against Trump and somehow he has to reign them in and fire hundreds of spooks... who are capable of inflicting mortal wounds (i.e. JFK).

It'll all be behind the scenes, hopefully he has enough good people to fight the power... we'll never know the whole story but this is how I view all the news and gossip going forward.

Clapper has been a Democratic Party hack all his adult life. (I use the term "adult" loosely here.)

 

[ECU Pirates]

Trump does not take down the CIA they take him down.


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[ECU Pirates]

Come at me Donald haha

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[Drinkthekoolaid]

Well, I would say this takes up the tension a notch.

Trump Responds To CIA Chief Brennan, Asks "Was He The Leaker Of Fake News?" | Zero Hedge

 

[ECU Pirates]

There are times when trump needs to just shut the fuck up. They will burn him. They rang in their own director for his arrogance (David p).


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[holdover]

There is only one way he can do it, he needs to fire everybody in leadership positions effective immediately, No pay,He has to strip them of the legal ability to do anything in the name of the country. Enforced by the FBI or the military if need be, Doors locked and guarded by US marines or US Marshalls . You cant give them a chance at bat. No cleaning out of your office for a week . everybody is fired.

 

[ECU Pirates]

There is only one way he can do it, he needs to fire everybody in leadership positions effective immediately, No pay,He has to strip them of the legal ability to do anything in the name of the country. Enforced by the FBI or the military if need be, Doors locked and guarded by US marines or US Marshalls . You cant give them a chance at bat. No cleaning out of your office for a week . everybody is fired.

Since he can't do that it's impossible. He's the president elect not a dictator.


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[meketrefe]

Why fire everyone? First thing I would order an internal investigation for corruption. This is not just for double agents but for ethics reform. The CIA like any priviledged agency should be an example for political imparciality and with the only purpose to defend the flag and the constitution and keep america safe no matter who is in charge.
Perhaps have everyone renew their oath in some shape or form

 

[holdover]

Since he can't do that it's impossible. He's the president elect not a dictator.


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(Shakes head,) effective the day he swears in . I thought that would go with out saying , and yes he can fire anybody he wants all he has to do is state a legal reason . Such as false reports. or what the hell his legal team can dream up. Hes not shooting them in head. WTF?

 

[holdover]

Why fire everyone? First thing I would order an internal investigation for corruption. This is not just for double agents but for ethics reform. The CIA like any priviledged agency should be an example for political imparciality and with the only purpose to defend the flag and the constitution and keep america safe no matter who is in charge.
Perhaps have everyone renew their oath in some shape or form

Maybe not everyone , but the leadership. this is time sensitive. Strip them of power to respond. His life could be in danger. the future of the country is at stake , to much to risk , I think. Fire the upper echelon ,and then sort it out . Then investigate. . he could always re-instate them with back pay if he felt out of line.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Here are some interesting stories I came across this morning

RUMORS AND RUNES: A PLOT TO KILL TRUMP | By Detective George Freund

Trump Conducts Sting Operation on US Intelligence Services

Articles: The Trump Dossier Puts the Deep State in Deep Doo-Doo

 

[ArmedCorgi]

There is only one way he can do it, he needs to fire everybody in leadership positions effective immediately, No pay,He has to strip them of the legal ability to do anything in the name of the country. Enforced by the FBI or the military if need be, Doors locked and guarded by US marines or US Marshalls . You cant give them a chance at bat. No cleaning out of your office for a week . everybody is fired.

Since when, in the passed 8 to 24 years, has "legal ability" meant anything or stopped anyone from doing as they please?

 

[prambo]

Since when, in the passed 8 to 24 years, has "legal ability" meant anything or stopped anyone from doing as they please?

If there's one thing Obola did in spades (pun intentional) was whatever the fuck he wanted with his pen and phone, especially in his last 4 years.

That fact won't stop the bitching, but it is reality and factual.

 

[ECU Pirates]

(Shakes head,) effective the day he swears in . I thought that would go with out saying , and yes he can fire anybody he wants all he has to do is state a legal reason . Such as false reports. or what the hell his legal team can dream up. Hes not shooting them in head. WTF?

Wrong! (as trump likes to say) He would have to prove legal reasons. When you said fire all in leadership position maybe I took you wrong? Are you saying anyone that has people reporting to them or just the top level leaders (directors ect.). He can show the top brass the door but not all in a leadership positions. I might have misunderstood or misread (I was reading on my phone).

"Enforced by the FBI or the military if need be," FBI?! That's laughable. They are a joke. They pal around with the IC all the time. If an intelligence officer gets arrested or in trouble who do you think they call? They won't speak to a local or state LEO. FBI and IC's are in bed together.

 

[ECU Pirates]

We have 16 (I think) intelligence agencies. That's insanity. The deadweight needs to go for sure (and there's lots of it). The busiest starbucks in the country was at CIA headquarters at one time (most likely still is). People would wait 45 minutes on the taxpayer dime for a coffee break! That's almost as bad as being a NYS employee!

 

[holdover]

LOL, No Im not. He does have legal reasons and doesn't need to go to court to prove it. Just the top brass . But he is the boss of the executive branch , he is the voice of the people, and Im sure he can find PLENTY of legal reasons , starting with false reports of Russian influence . Incompetency, false statements , suspicion of conspiracy against the US government . Torture , ect. NONE has to be proven only suspected, Hes not arresting them! hes not killing them ! Hes reliveing them of their posts . He can fire any executive branch person that was not elected.

 

[holdover]

Since when, in the passed 8 to 24 years, has "legal ability" meant anything or stopped anyone from doing as they please?

yeah Of course. When your Id and badge has been taken from you, when your clearances has been taken, when you don't have a pay check when you can no longer travel on the government dime , You cannot do job . nobody's letting you into the building or read reports ect . So yes absolutely it has.

 

[holdover]

Wrong!

"Enforced by the FBI or the military if need be," FBI?! That's laughable. They are a joke. They pal around with the IC all the time. If an intelligence officer gets arrested or in trouble who do you think they call? They won't speak to a local or state LEO. FBI and IC's are in bed together.

Your opinion of them doesn't mean jack shit, that's who the responsibility falls to , the FBI would be tasked to remove them from the building. period . and if you think the the FBI wont do it, your fucking crazy.

 

[ECU Pirates]

It's not

Your opinion of them doesn't mean jack shit, that's who the responsibility falls to , the FBI would be tasked to remove them from the building. period . and if you think the the FBI wont do it, your fucking crazy.

It's not opinion. The FBI is just as partisan as all the IC agencies. Who do you think Trump can just fire at the CIA. Tell me the positions.

 

[holdover]

Yest it is. on what grounds can they legally refuse presidential orders to do their job?

 

[ECU Pirates]

Yest it is. on what grounds can they legally refuse presidential orders to do their job?

You really think the president can order the FBI and CIA around? Tell me when it's happened?

 

[ECU Pirates]

Ask Nixon how hat worked out....

The president can fire the director of the FBI and that's about it. Same at the CIA.

 

[holdover]

You really think the president can order the FBI and CIA around? Tell me when it's happened?

Yes its called your fired , get the fuck out. what can they say? No were not? lol.

 

[islandman]

Every Agency has been political for a long time, it is not the Obama effect. Intelligence agencies are a very political breed, especially when you can twist or just make up intelligence. Trump will not, I will say it again, he will not be taking down any intelligence agency. He has been handed powers that our Founding Fathers fought against. These powers have been ever growing, growing in earnest from WWII on.

He has nominated Pompeo for CIA Director, just another continuation of the western controlled "terrorism". Trump has gone above and beyond with receiving briefings from private companies who are part of the Military Industrial Complex. Trump is not a savior, nor is he a refreshing breath. He is just a rebranded product that the public refused to buy. Just look at his nominees, a majority of them were recommended by Kissinger. They worked with Kissinger as well, Kissinger who is a war criminal.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Yes its called your fired , get the fuck out. what can they say? No were not? lol.

Actually if it's not the director they can. He's not running a bankrupt casino anymore... wait actually he is never mind that analogy. He can fire some and appoint others. He can't just fire all mid level and above and chain the doors shut. He has not clue what the CIA does anyway. I'm glad he won given the alternative but he's no expert on intelligence.