How does Trump take down the CIA and Spy Agencies?

[holdover]

He may have an intrest in saveing is own ass. Its pretty clear that there is a major problem within the CIA and FBI, and Trump is shaking the tree . who knows what may fall out?

 

[ECU Pirates]

He may have an intrest in saveing is own ass. Its pretty clear that there is a major problem within the CIA and FBI, and Trump is shaking the tree . who knows what may fall out?

If he shakes it hard enough it will fall on him.

 

[holdover]

Its going to fall on him anyways .

 

[ECU Pirates]

Its going to fall on him anyways .

You could be right. Might as well go down swinging! I can see him shaking up the FBI. But the CIA is so compartmentalized... it would be tough to do more than fire the director.

 

[Snappo]

Why fire everyone? First thing I would order an internal investigation for corruption. This is not just for double agents but for ethics reform. The CIA like any priviledged agency should be an example for political imparciality and with the only purpose to defend the flag and the constitution and keep america safe no matter who is in charge.
Perhaps have everyone renew their oath in some shape or form

Congress needs to set up a committee and run through that organization with a fine tooth comb. Them and the NSA. I was shocked to know that NSA had buildings the size of a Walmart store stacked floor to ceiling with solid state hard drives. Hundreds of thousands of drives. Then they tapped into every phone (AT&T, Verizon, etc) and used voice recognition to track every word, every bit and byte on the internet (Facebook, Yahoo, Pinterest, every forum on earth including our NY Gun Forum, etc) and just logged everything. They cross matched that to every government database and when possible fed those databases to their own drives with change pointers turned on to track recency of information. Then Edward Snowden and others wrote programs to interrogate the data to search for specific words or groups of words using massively parallel computing. So now they have the ability to do the following:
1) Take a look at Snappo.
2) Convert Snappo to my real name
3) Use my real name to look at every government document (my SF86 clearance forms, my DD214's, my social security information, IRS information, etc)
4) Use my real name to look at every civilian document (credit, bills, property ownership, etc)
5) Use my known IP addresses and MAC addresses to look at every post I ever made on any site on the internet (Forums, Facebook, Usenet, etc)
6) Pore through all the data searching for specific words or groups of words in a specific order.
7) Use the data to associate me with others (same physical location like a house or work, etc).
8) Interrogate the data of others associated with me looking for similarities between my data and the data of known associates (family, friends, co workers, etc).

 

[holdover]

You could be right. Might as well go down swinging! I can see him shaking up the FBI. But the CIA is so compartmentalized... it would be tough to do more than fire the director.

The CIA is definitely not on is side. Trump vowed to clean up the CIA, so he may even be in danger. He has already chosen a new the head of the CIA . There may be elements within the CIA that needs to be purged. He cannot allow fake news from anonymous sources writhen the CIA to continue if he wants to be effective . We didn't elect the CIA to run the country . If they have plans to move against him he needs to de-fang them as soon as possible . That's my thoughts on that. The best way to do that is to pull the plug . Don't give them chance .

 

[holdover]

From the outside looking in ,in my opinion, it looks like there is a major conflict going on inside the intelligence and LE community's , there appears to be some type of conflict between the those loyal to Trump , and those loyal to the old guard. Trumps seems to want to fix the problems and some of the problems don't want to be fixed. Who knows where this goes.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Congress needs to set up a committee and run through that organization with a fine tooth comb. Them and the NSA. I was shocked to know that NSA had buildings the size of a Walmart store stacked floor to ceiling with solid state hard drives. Hundreds of thousands of drives. Then they tapped into every phone (AT&T, Verizon, etc) and used voice recognition to track every word, every bit and byte on the internet (Facebook, Yahoo, Pinterest, every forum on earth including our NY Gun Forum, etc) and just logged everything. They cross matched that to every government database and when possible fed those databases to their own drives with change pointers turned on to track recency of information. Then Edward Snowden and others wrote programs to interrogate the data to search for specific words or groups of words using massively parallel computing. So now they have the ability to do the following:
1) Take a look at Snappo.
2) Convert Snappo to my real name
3) Use my real name to look at every government document (my SF86 clearance forms, my DD214's, my social security information, IRS information, etc)
4) Use my real name to look at every civilian document (credit, bills, property ownership, etc)
5) Use my known IP addresses and MAC addresses to look at every post I ever made on any site on the internet (Forums, Facebook, Usenet, etc)
6) Pore through all the data searching for specific words or groups of words in a specific order.
7) Use the data to associate me with others (same physical location like a house or work, etc).
8) Interrogate the data of others associated with me looking for similarities between my data and the data of known associates (family, friends, co workers, etc).

I tell this to people and they think I'm crazy. Its very scary what our own agencies have been doing to law abiding citizen

I try to tell people that if a hypothetical law comes out that private firearm ownership is now illegal, and you don't turn in your weapons, they will know who has what.

 

[meketrefe]

Not just government but private sector too!
We are running algorithms to associate all facts and attributes that can be structured through big data management.
A lot of people are worried about big brother but we actually agree to give everything away w/o much consideration.
Just look a the proliferation of social media, free apps and services since the arrival of the i-phone.
We need privacy and anti piracy laws all across the board across government and private companies, products and services.
People are totally clueless about what they are agreeing to so there should be some new though laws for civil rights protections because
as of now, I think everyone is taking dishonest advantage of that ignorance and complacency.
Just like children, who can be easily manipulated, because we can cheat and get away with certain things it doesn't mean
that is the right thing to do.
Ethics reform is needed all across the board. But don't we need a civilized society for that? I see that is the biggest
problem we face.

What it means being civilized and act with a social conscience and for the good of everyone?

What is the ideal of true liberty?

 

[Snappo]

Not just government but private sector too!
We are running algorithms to associate all facts and attributes that can be structured through big data management.
A lot of people are worried about big brother but we actually agree to give everything away w/o much consideration.
Just look a the proliferation of social media, free apps and services since the arrival of the i-phone.
We need privacy and anti piracy laws all across the board across government and private companies, products and services.
People are totally clueless about what they are agreeing to so there should be some new though laws for civil rights protections because
as of now, I think everyone is taking dishonest advantage of that ignorance and complacency.
Just like children, who can be easily manipulated, because we can cheat and get away with certain things it doesn't mean
that is the right thing to do.
Ethics reform is needed all across the board. But don't we need a civilized society for that? I see that is the biggest
problem we face.

What it means being civilized and act with a social conscience and for the good of everyone?

What is the ideal of true liberty?

Big Data on the cloud is what I do for a living. I believe data mining has an extremely important role in business intelligence; but I also feel that we should have some rights of privacy. I hate that every phone call I ever had, every post I ever made, every movie I ever watched on Netflix - all of that is on SSD drives at an NSA location. I understand that they want to catch 9-11 before it happens; but how do we know our data is protected. Last year I got a letter from Uncle Sam saying that everyone that was in Desert Storm was hacked and now some foreign government has my information. WTF?

 

[meketrefe]

Big Data on the cloud is what I do for a living. I believe data mining has an extremely important role in business intelligence; but I also feel that we should have some rights of privacy. I hate that every phone call I ever had, every post I ever made, every movie I ever watched on Netflix - all of that is on SSD drives at an NSA location. I understand that they want to catch 9-11 before it happens; but how do we know our data is protected. Last year I got a letter from Uncle Sam saying that everyone that was in Desert Storm was hacked and now some foreign government has my information. WTF?

I move and work with big data too so I know what is going on.

Everything has to start with education. I don't see a lot of people complaining about the excesses and risks they are being exposed to.
Perhaps because they do not fully comprehend the magnitude of the schemes that are not necessary not just to process the data but that
are pun in place to harvest and exploit data and relate in multidimensional models and in real time.

I was at the IBM data center down in Boca Raton to put together a solution for a unique identifier proxy where information from all US consumers
was needed. This is huge for insurance companies. So in these places where all the data ends up from companies like equifax and experian guess who their biggest customers are? Not the banks, credit cards nor the insurance giants, but the yes! ... you got that right! .. the fbi, cia, and the whole nine yards.

The situation is out of control right now. In Europe there are some initiatives but will take a lot of time just to get some awareness so
not sure about any significant changes to protect civil rights and privacy. Also people don't want to spend even one sorry dollar in apps that
will not sell and prostitute their personal and usage data.

"For the waywardness of the simple will kill them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them"

 

[prambo]

Congress needs to set up a committee and run through that organization with a fine tooth comb. Them and the NSA. I was shocked to know that NSA had buildings the size of a Walmart store stacked floor to ceiling with solid state hard drives. Hundreds of thousands of drives. Then they tapped into every phone (AT&T, Verizon, etc) and used voice recognition to track every word, every bit and byte on the internet (Facebook, Yahoo, Pinterest, every forum on earth including our NY Gun Forum, etc) and just logged everything. They cross matched that to every government database and when possible fed those databases to their own drives with change pointers turned on to track recency of information. Then Edward Snowden and others wrote programs to interrogate the data to search for specific words or groups of words using massively parallel computing. So now they have the ability to do the following:
1) Take a look at Snappo.
2) Convert Snappo to my real name
3) Use my real name to look at every government document (my SF86 clearance forms, my DD214's, my social security information, IRS information, etc)
4) Use my real name to look at every civilian document (credit, bills, property ownership, etc)
5) Use my known IP addresses and MAC addresses to look at every post I ever made on any site on the internet (Forums, Facebook, Usenet, etc)
6) Pore through all the data searching for specific words or groups of words in a specific order.
7) Use the data to associate me with others (same physical location like a house or work, etc).
8) Interrogate the data of others associated with me looking for similarities between my data and the data of known associates (family, friends, co workers, etc).

Not just government but private sector too!
We are running algorithms to associate all facts and attributes that can be structured through big data management.
A lot of people are worried about big brother but we actually agree to give everything away w/o much consideration.
Just look a the proliferation of social media, free apps and services since the arrival of the i-phone.
We need privacy and anti piracy laws all across the board across government and private companies, products and services.
People are totally clueless about what they are agreeing to so there should be some new though laws for civil rights protections because
as of now, I think everyone is taking dishonest advantage of that ignorance and complacency.
Just like children, who can be easily manipulated, because we can cheat and get away with certain things it doesn't mean
that is the right thing to do.
Ethics reform is needed all across the board. But don't we need a civilized society for that? I see that is the biggest
problem we face.

What it means being civilized and act with a social conscience and for the good of everyone?

What is the ideal of true liberty?

Big Data on the cloud is what I do for a living. I believe data mining has an extremely important role in business intelligence; but I also feel that we should have some rights of privacy. I hate that every phone call I ever had, every post I ever made, every movie I ever watched on Netflix - all of that is on SSD drives at an NSA location. I understand that they want to catch 9-11 before it happens; but how do we know our data is protected. Last year I got a letter from Uncle Sam saying that everyone that was in Desert Storm was hacked and now some foreign government has my information. WTF?

I move and work with big data too so I know what is going on.

Everything has to start with education. I don't see a lot of people complaining about the excesses and risks they are being exposed to.
Perhaps because they do not fully comprehend the magnitude of the schemes that are not necessary not just to process the data but that
are pun in place to harvest and exploit data and relate in multidimensional models and in real time.

I was at the IBM data center down in Boca Raton to put together a solution for a unique identifier proxy where information from all US consumers
was needed. This is huge for insurance companies. So in these places where all the data ends up from companies like equifax and experian guess who their biggest customers are? Not the banks, credit cards nor the insurance giants, but the yes! ... you got that right! .. the fbi, cia, and the whole nine yards.

The situation is out of control right now. In Europe there are some initiatives but will take a lot of time just to get some awareness so
not sure about any significant changes to protect civil rights and privacy. Also people don't want to spend even one sorry dollar in apps that
will not sell and prostitute their personal and usage data.

"For the waywardness of the simple will kill them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them"

First, thanks for posting all this info.

My knowledge of this area is miniscule. My knowledge of the NSA's capabilities begins and ends with Bamford's " The Shadow Factory" which, being over 5 years old, makes their reach and depth even more extensive now.

Bamford's book convinced me that the NSA was not a friend of freedom and liberty, and the most dangerous of the alphabet agencies.

In my largely uninformed opinion, if they can collect, store and selectively search all of it, then they can collect, filter and throw out irrelevant data.

Storing everything in perpetuity is an attitude, the attitude that everyone in the US needs to be anally probed continuously. Not as it should be.

Fuck the NSA - store that, bitches.

 

[Snappo]

First, thanks for posting all this info.

My knowledge of this area is miniscule. My knowledge of the NSA's capabilities begins and ends with Bamford's " The Shadow Factory" which, being over 5 years old, makes their reach and depth even more extensive now.

Bamford's book convinced me that the NSA was not a friend of freedom and liberty, and the most dangerous of the alphabet agencies.

In my largely uninformed opinion, if they can collect, store and selectively search all of it, then they can collect, filter and throw out irrelevant data.

Storing everything in perpetuity is an attitude, the attitude that everyone in the US needs to be anally probed continuously. Not as it should be.

Fuck the NSA - store that, bitches.

Check out this link:
Utah Data Center - Wikipedia

When I was at United Technologies working on B52, JSTARS, A6E, and EA6B radar our building was 600,000 sq ft. Basically the size of 300 football fields. To get from one end of the building to the other was a 10 minute walk. This building is twice that size. The average Walmart is 100K sq ft. So picture this building as 15 Walmarts stuck together and just the data room being the size of a single Walmart. 20 foot high stacks of solid state drives the size of a Walmart superstore. They spent over $1 billion dollars on the hard drives and $1B on massively parallel supercomputers and routers, by the way. That's about 15 million terabyte-size SSD drives and 600 thousand super servers. They do not delete any data. Ever. Then in the other 14 Walmart's outside the data storage-area-networks (or SAN's for short) and server farms, there are employees maintaining these systems and mining the data. Just to power this NSA system is 65 megawatts. At the largest nuclear power plant in America, we put out 1,300 megawatts. So basically this one building sucks down between 5% and 10% of a nuclear power plant's output.

Hopefully this information puts the NSA data center into an understandable perspective for everyone.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Some of the stuff in Snowden is 100 percent true. Yes I watched that on Amazon prime. That movie alone probably puts you on a threat list.


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[Snappo]

Some of the stuff in Snowden is 100 percent true. Yes I watched that on Amazon prime. That movie alone probably puts you on a threat list.


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The movie was OK but the better movie was the documentary that came out kind of under the radar called Citizen Four or something like that. It was hours of footage of him in the hotel room in China talking about what they designed at NSA and implemented before he split for Russia.

 

[meketrefe]

Those are massive installations too.

nothing new here, just a few links based on our history of fear and how this is exploit. fyi...

Patriot Act - Wikipedia

No Warrant, No Problem: How the Government Can Get Your Digital Data

ECHELON - Wikipedia

Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act - Wikipedia

NSA taps tracking cookies used by Google, others, to monitor surveillance targets

 

[spat]

Since he can't do that it's impossible. He's the president elect not a dictator.


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It might be easier for him to change all their job descriptions to janitor in Antarctica. The CIA is an executive agency, they literally work for him.

 

[ECU Pirates]

It might be easier for him to change all their job descriptions to janitor in Antarctica. The CIA is an executive agency, they literally work for him.

No they literally don't. They operate as an independent agency with executive and congressional oversight . Even the FBI can and has told a president to fuck off. Look at
Nixon. The CIA gives reports to the president but congress controls the budget and oversight. The president can fire the director but do little else. Why didn't Obama clean house when they were spying on members of the senate?


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[spat]

No they literally don't. They operate as an independent agency with executive and congressional oversight . Even the FBI can and has told a president to fuck off. Look at
Nixon. The CIA gives reports to the president but congress controls the budget and oversight. The president can fire the director but do little else. Why didn't Obama clean house when they were spying on members of the senate?


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Which part of the Constitution authorized a 4th branch of "independent agencies" ?

The whole point of this discussion is that either they report to him, or they are dangerous rogue agencies.

Also, telling your boss he's wrong and that you cannot follow his orders doesn't mean you don't work for him.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Check out this link:
Utah Data Center - Wikipedia

When I was at United Technologies working on B52, JSTARS, A6E, and EA6B radar our building was 600,000 sq ft. Basically the size of 300 football fields. To get from one end of the building to the other was a 10 minute walk. This building is twice that size. The average Walmart is 100K sq ft. So picture this building as 15 Walmarts stuck together and just the data room being the size of a single Walmart. 20 foot high stacks of solid state drives the size of a Walmart superstore. They spent over $1 billion dollars on the hard drives and $1B on massively parallel supercomputers and routers, by the way. That's about 15 million terabyte-size SSD drives and 600 thousand super servers. They do not delete any data. Ever. Then in the other 14 Walmart's outside the data storage-area-networks (or SAN's for short) and server farms, there are employees maintaining these systems and mining the data. Just to power this NSA system is 65 megawatts. At the largest nuclear power plant in America, we put out 1,300 megawatts. So basically this one building sucks down between 5% and 10% of a nuclear power plant's output.

Hopefully this information puts the NSA data center into an understandable perspective for everyone.

Mother of God.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Some of the stuff in Snowden is 100 percent true. Yes I watched that on Amazon prime. That movie alone probably puts you on a threat list.


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Everyone on this forum already is on there...were just adding to our files until sooner or later we reach reach or specific threshold metric and the point where action against us is taken.

 

[Snappo]

Everyone on this forum already is on there...were just adding to our files until sooner or later we reach reach or specific threshold metric and the point where action against us is taken.

I'm just hoping nothing I said on the internet warrants some douchebag from NSA killing me in the middle of the night. Does NSA have people that come whack you, or do they just tell the CIA to do it?

 

[GOPerfect]

Why does he have to take down the CIA or any other Government office?

Change a few key personal and all changes.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I'm just hoping nothing I said on the internet warrants some douchebag from NSA killing me in the middle of the night. Does NSA have people that come whack you, or do they just tell the CIA to do it?

Not sure, ask Seth rich

 

[Snappo]

Not sure, ask Seth rich

Yeah but Seth was writing the software that is used for people to locate voting stations. Maybe he knew something the Clinton's were up to with regard to voter fraud. Me - I just help companies get their critical systems onto the cloud and I don't even remember anything TS or S from my days working on military radar. You could ask me operating frequencies, traveling wave tube power specs, etc. and I honestly couldn't remember even if you offered me a hundred million dollars. There is no reason Clinton or the CIA would ever need me to be gone. Well, other than saying Michelle Obama is a tranny on Facebook. But it seems to me a LOT of people know that Michelle is a tranny. I cannot be the only one that knows she has a cock bulge in her dresses and a guy's throat. And she even walks like a guy. OTOH, so does Meg Ryan so who knows......

 

[ProgSpear]

I'm just hoping nothing I said on the internet warrants some douchebag from NSA killing me in the middle of the night. Does NSA have people that come whack you, or do they just tell the CIA to do it?

I think the way it works is the NSA tells the CIA to tell some General in the USAF to tell some Colonel drafting strike orders to tell some Major at Griffiss to tell some Captain to tell a 19 year old Airman to drop a brace of AGM-114's on a set of classified coordinates.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I think the way it works is The President appoints a director that is loyal to him. That director rights the ship whether by firing or disciplining his subordinates who fail to straighten up.

 

[spat]

Why does he have to take down the CIA or any other Government office?

Change a few key personal and all changes.

Maybe more than a few. The entire culture needs to change. Subordinates need to recognize and refuse illegal or unethical orders. But you are right, we need a foreign intelligence agency, and it might as well be called the CIA, and I imagine most of the rank and file can stay. They just need to be more afraid of violating the law than of disappointing their boss.

 

[holdover]

Why does he have to take down the CIA or any other Government office?

Change a few key personal and all changes.

Total speculation on my part . The idea was that the CIA is threating the president, what are the options for the president? What would you do if your the president and you had reason to believe that they were going to make an attempt on your life?

 

[holdover]

No they literally don't. They operate as an independent agency with executive and congressional oversight . Even the FBI can and has told a president to fuck off. Look at
Nixon.

What about Nixon specifically?