NYSRPA, Editor of Bullet magazine

[spat]

We all have our own ideas on how things should have been handled, but let's not forget we are all on the same side.

Are we ?

The left always claims they are champions of the common man, and are just trying to protect him from the evil capitalists.

Anyone who thinks for themselves can see right through that line.

Now it's possible these groups are really well intentioned and just unable to put up a meaningful fight against the overwhelming force of NYS.

It's also possible that they are more interested in growing their personal powerbase than actually winning anything. If that's the case, winning would be counterproductive.

The NRA makes money on fear, if they actually reduce the threat they make less money.


Then the 3rd possibility (the most insidious one) is the trojan horse theory. That at the highest levels they are actively working against us. If the NRA ceased to exist and all that money started flowing to GOA and other organizations that *are* fighting, what could they do with it ? The left has a vested interest in keeping the NRA around wasting as much of our resources as possible. I'm not saying the leadership is complicit in that plan, but if they aren't, then they're being very useful idiots.

 

[tc556guy]

I let my 20-something year membership lapse and took down the NYSRPA membership enrollment cards from the wall of my FFL business because of Tom King.

 

[Mosinitis]

Are we ?

The left always claims they are champions of the common man, and are just trying to protect him from the evil capitalists.

Anyone who thinks for themselves can see right through that line.

Now it's possible these groups are really well intentioned and just unable to put up a meaningful fight against the overwhelming force of NYS.

It's also possible that they are more interested in growing their personal powerbase than actually winning anything. If that's the case, winning would be counterproductive.

The NRA makes money on fear, if they actually reduce the threat they make less money.


Then the 3rd possibility (the most insidious one) is the trojan horse theory. That at the highest levels they are actively working against us. If the NRA ceased to exist and all that money started flowing to GOA and other organizations that *are* fighting, what could they do with it ? The left has a vested interest in keeping the NRA around wasting as much of our resources as possible. I'm not saying the leadership is complicit in that plan, but if they aren't, then they're being very useful idiots.

NYSRPA is not "left" and it is not working against us. At its worst it is ineffective defending gun rights. It is effective in promoting shooting activities and shooting sports throughout the state, which is its original function, going back to 1800's. It brings in new people doing so and making casual gun owners into hard core shooters. It also runs juniors programs to bring in young people. Hardly a "Trojan Horse".

Personally I think the only effective way to fight SAFE act was to bribe or blackmail a judge. There are legal ways to do that. NYSRPA didn't do it. Their support of rallies or lack there of didn't change a thing. They were ineffective in preventing/reversing SAFE as well as everyone else. As well as the rallies. They are still on the pro-gun side.

 

[Mosinitis]

The only thing GOA does is gives interviews to the media. They are telling the media what we want to hear, but what did they accomplish?

 

[redtail]

The only thing GOA does is gives interviews to the media. They are telling the media what we want to hear, but what did they accomplish?

Really now?
You are allowed your own foolish opinions , but not you own facts.

GOA is actually involved in the fight on a daily basis. Do some research before spewing such inaccuracies.

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“Gun Owners of America (GOA) sued the ATF over their decision to revoke the NICS exemption for Michigan and other states. GOA claimed that the ATF did not have the right to reinterpret the Brady Act law. The ATF stopped revoking exemption status for states once the lawsuits started to be filed in multiple states by the gun rights organization.”

 

[Mosinitis]

Really now?
You are allowed your own foolish opinions , but not you own facts.

GOA is actually involved in the fight on a daily basis. Do some research before spewing such inaccuracies.

Read more: New Leaks Shows ATF Running Background Checks On Gun Buyers Retroactively
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“Gun Owners of America (GOA) sued the ATF over their decision to revoke the NICS exemption for Michigan and other states. GOA claimed that the ATF did not have the right to reinterpret the Brady Act law. The ATF stopped revoking exemption status for states once the lawsuits started to be filed in multiple states by the gun rights organization.”

What else? Personally I would rather have NICS than state run its own systems. I think NICS is the lesser of two evils.

 

[kev74]

How do you keep a bunch of gun enthusiasts in suspense?

... I will defend Tom's work and his character and the dedicated efforts made by the staff here at NYSRPA without hesitation.

 

[BMF JK]

How do you keep a bunch of gun enthusiasts in suspense?

Clearly Carl didn’t think this through before his intro or he’s completely outta touch with the gun community .

 

[camper4lyfe]

Clearly Carl didn’t think this through before his intro or he’s completely outta touch with the gun community .

My money's on both

 

[redtail]

What else? Personally I would rather have NICS than state run its own systems. I think NICS is the lesser of two evils.

You do you Mosin.
Plenty of info on the web if you wanted to be informed.
GOA | The only no compromise gun lobby in Washington

 

[Mosinitis]

You do you Mosin.
Plenty of info on the web if you wanted to be informed.
LMGTFY

I was a member of GOA for years. Got tired of endless interviews of Larry Pratt and his son and nothing else of substance. I am not a woman, no need to tickle my ears with sweet nothings. Nothing they did effected my rights in any way. You are falling for that shit, I am not.

 

[Podmonkey]

The more I think about this the more amazed I become at how out of touch this person is (I can’t be arsed enough to go back and look up his name)
Did he think he would be welcomed open arms?
Again I wonder at his motives. Was there intent to merely have an honest dialog? I doubt it.
If the intent was to gain another platform to grift from it shows how cluelessly, and robotically corrupt and greedy these faketivist con artists really are. It is also extremely insulting to our collective intelligence. I despise how brazen these phonies are. They honestly think we are that stupid.
I'd certainly like to hear a good argument thar I have it all wrong.
So, to @Carl Gottstein (I actually bothered to look back), are you thar slimy or just that naive. Naive is okay, we can work with that.

 

[tirwin1]

I'm smiling just thinking about when Carl is going to tell his good friend tom just what the forum thinks of him.

 

[kev74]

I'm smiling just thinking about when Carl is going to tell his good friend tom just what the forum thinks of him.

Something like..."They love you, boss! Almost as much as they love Wayne!"

 

[kev74]

In all seriousness, we've got a pretty diverse group of gun and shooting enthusiasts on this forum, from traditional competitive shooters, collectors, plinkers, hunters, people into self defense and just about every combination of the above. Even among those of us who admit to being NYSRPA members, I don't think anyone posted that they are enthusiastic about either NYSRPA's overall performance or with Tom King at the helm.

If their leadership doesn't realize this is bad, they have really big problems.

 

[Podmonkey]

I'm smiling just thinking about when Carl is going to tell his good friend tom just what the forum thinks of him.

I don't think we matter 1/4 of a flea's shit to them. We are little people, they don't give a damn about us.

 

[Dr. Evil]

What did I miss? What was his response?

It should be pretty simple to prove many here wrong, if we were.

 

[BMF JK]

@Carl Gottstein

 

[Podmonkey]

What did I miss? What was his response?

Silence

 

[Dr. Evil]

Silence

I know. I was being facetious.

 

[camper4lyfe]

Silence

It's deafening.

 

[spat]

What else? Personally I would rather have NICS than state run its own systems. I think NICS is the lesser of two evils.

Apparently you missed the part where some states *do* run their own.

NICS is the federal system, states that want to can get ATF permission to replace it with their own version.

 

[Podmonkey]

PA has its "PICS" setup. Carry licenses are run through PICS, purchases have to go through both a NICS and PICS check. The PICS form is somewhat abbreviated and and the check itself must either be automated or done after the sale 'cause I only ever hear my LGS talking to NICS on the phone, there isn't a second, separate phone call.

 

[Podmonkey]

I know. I was being facetious.

Is that ,like, when you get a cyst under your skin? As in a facetious cyst?

 

[Edwardteach72]

Also I just found live video of @Carl Gottstein reading the responses

 

[Mosinitis]

Apparently you missed the part where some states *do* run their own.

NICS is the federal system, states that want to can get ATF permission to replace it with their own version.

I didn't miss anything. NY runs NICS and not their own system. Thank God.

 

[dsdmmat]

I prefer the states doing their own thing. Since getting my CCP in NC I have not gone through one background check. I fill out the 4473 and walk out with the gun, lower or pistol. The NC CCP is renewed every 5 years. If I let it expire I can still carry it just has to be in the open and then I would have to start doing NICS again. So much simpler of a system here. no worry about getting delayed or denied because your name is similar to someone 10 states over who is on the No fly list.

 

[Mosinitis]

I prefer the states doing their own thing. Since getting my CCP in NC I have not gone through one background check. I fill out the 4473 and walk out with the gun, lower or pistol. The NC CCP is renewed every 5 years. If I let it expire I can still carry it just has to be in the open and then I would have to start doing NICS again. So much simpler of a system here. no worry about getting delayed or denied because your name is similar to someone 10 states over who is on the No fly list.

What does it do for me living in NY state? If NY adopted its own system, do you think it would be less hassle than NICS. It will also mandate background checks on ammo, state system will uphold state law, NICS is not on board with background checks on ammo.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I prefer the states doing their own thing. Since getting my CCP in NC I have not gone through one background check. I fill out the 4473 and walk out with the gun, lower or pistol. The NC CCP is renewed every 5 years. If I let it expire I can still carry it just has to be in the open and then I would have to start doing NICS again. So much simpler of a system here. no worry about getting delayed or denied because your name is similar to someone 10 states over who is on the No fly list.

Basically the same here in Utah. If you have a ccw, they just check that the ccw is current (the state runs a background check monthly) and you are good. You still have to fill out the 4473 as well, but they don't go through nics.

 

[tc556guy]

What else? Personally I would rather have NICS than state run its own systems. I think NICS is the lesser of two evils.

I would rather have the state play nice with the FBI so that the hardest permit to get in the country is a valid alternative to needing a background check. Half of the permits in the country are a day or two to get and they are NICS alternatives.