1/20/20 Virginia 2nd Amendment Rally discussion (merged thread)

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You could clear the streets in Virginia faster than I can say jack rabbit with a couple of attack choppers. Just saying.

Clearing the air space over Richmond as NATIONAL Defense Airspace is what you do when you might be looking at an urban war zone and you need that airspace for military craft.

The real question is, who is rattling their sabre?
 
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I wonder if President Trump is sending a message to Coonman letting him know that while VA may have authority on the ground as the state government, as the Commander in Chief he has eyes in the skies, air supremacy, and ultimate authority to protect the Constitutional Rights of all citizens of the United States of America.

Stranger things have happened in history, and its the only good interpretation of this FAA response I have come up with so far.

It might be that there are State-Fed national defense contingencies that give Blackface the power to request this quietly behind the scenes, and the FAA is obliged to honor the request once certain criteria are met. Or someone in the FAA granted such a request without kicking it upstairs. I'm clearly speculating.

This does not seem like a good turn of events unless President Trump has ordered this to tweak Coonman's nuts.

There go my plans to fly my refurbished Huey down to Richmond to land and plant a Gadsen flag on the top of the Capitol Building and provide air cover for my brothers in Virginia.
 
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Here is the FAA NOTAM order right from the source:


Unmanned craft restricted:

AIRSPACE RICHMOND, VA..TEMPORARY FLIGHT REQUIREMENTS LISTED BELOW: 1) UAS FLIGHT OPERATION CONDUCTED IN DIRECT SUPPORT OF AN ACTIVE NATIONAL DEFENSE, HOMELAND SECURITY, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIREFIGHTING, SEARCH AND RESCUE, OR DISASTER RESPONSE MISSION. 2) THE UAS FLIGHT OPERATION MUST COMPLY WITH ALL OTHER APPLICABLE FEDERAL AVIATION REGULATIONS. B. UAS OPERATORS WHO DO NOT COMPLY WITH APPLICABLE AIRSPACE RESTRICTIONS ARE WARNED THAT PURSUANT TO 10 U.S.C. SECTION 130I AND 6 U.S.C. SECTION 124N, THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE (DOD), THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY (DHS) OR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE (DOJ) MAY TAKE SECURITY ACTION THAT RESULTS IN THE INTERFERENCE, DISRUPTION, SEIZURE, DAMAGING, OR DESTRUCTION OF UNMANNED AIRCRAFT DEEMED TO POSE A CREDIBLE SAFETY OR SECURITY THREAT TO PROTECTED PERSONNEL, FACILITIES... PART 3 OF 3 VA..AIRSPACE RICHMOND, VA..


All aircraft warned:

FAA RECOMMENDS THAT ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATORS CHECK NOTAMS FREQUENTLY FOR POSSIBLE CHANGES TO THIS TFR PRIOR TO OPERATIONS WITHIN THIS REGION

Kind of a WTF moment if you ask me. Seriously.
 
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John Stark said:
I wonder if President Trump is sending a message to Coonman letting him know that while VA may have authority on the ground as the state government, as the Commander in Chief he has eyes in the skies, air supremacy, and ultimate authority to protect the Constitutional Rights of all citizens of the United States of America.

Stranger things have happened in history, and its the only good interpretation of this FAA response I have come up with so far.

It might be that there are State-Fed national defense contingencies that give Blackface the power to request this quietly behind the scenes, and the FAA is obliged to honor the request once certain criteria are met. Or someone in the FAA granted such a request without kicking it upstairs. I'm clearly speculating.

This does not seem like a good turn of events unless President Trump has ordered this to tweak Coonman's nuts.

There go my plans to fly my refurbished Huey down to Richmond to land and plant a Gadsen flag on the top of the Capitol Building and provide air cover for my brothers in Virginia.
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I'm gonna err on the side of caution and go ahead and say that Trump isn't involved at all so far. That this is all the Virginia gov and this is being set up to be a trap. There is too much money and motive from Bloomberg and the like to not be. We can only hope that if this is indeed a setup, it gets exposed real quick and gun owners are vindicated and absolved of any wrong doing.
 
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John Stark said:
Here is the FAA NOTAM order right from the source:


Unmanned craft restricted:

AIRSPACE RICHMOND, VA..TEMPORARY FLIGHT REQUIREMENTS LISTED BELOW: 1) UAS FLIGHT OPERATION CONDUCTED IN DIRECT SUPPORT OF AN ACTIVE NATIONAL DEFENSE, HOMELAND SECURITY, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIREFIGHTING, SEARCH AND RESCUE, OR DISASTER RESPONSE MISSION. 2) THE UAS FLIGHT OPERATION MUST COMPLY WITH ALL OTHER APPLICABLE FEDERAL AVIATION REGULATIONS. B. UAS OPERATORS WHO DO NOT COMPLY WITH APPLICABLE AIRSPACE RESTRICTIONS ARE WARNED THAT PURSUANT TO 10 U.S.C. SECTION 130I AND 6 U.S.C. SECTION 124N, THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE (DOD), THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY (DHS) OR THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE (DOJ) MAY TAKE SECURITY ACTION THAT RESULTS IN THE INTERFERENCE, DISRUPTION, SEIZURE, DAMAGING, OR DESTRUCTION OF UNMANNED AIRCRAFT DEEMED TO POSE A CREDIBLE SAFETY OR SECURITY THREAT TO PROTECTED PERSONNEL, FACILITIES... PART 3 OF 3 VA..AIRSPACE RICHMOND, VA..


All aircraft warned:

FAA RECOMMENDS THAT ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATORS CHECK NOTAMS FREQUENTLY FOR POSSIBLE CHANGES TO THIS TFR PRIOR TO OPERATIONS WITHIN THIS REGION

Kind of a WTF moment if you ask me. Seriously.
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They don't want people flying drones to record what actually happens.
 
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I'm gonna err on the side of caution and go ahead and say that Trump isn't involved at all so far. That this is all the Virginia gov and this is being set up to be a trap. There is too much money and motive from Bloomberg and the like to not be. We can only hope that if this is indeed a setup, it gets exposed real quick and gun owners are vindicated and absolved of any wrong doing.
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Whether our President is involved in this order is beyond me, but only FedGov has the legal, law enforcement, and military authority to get the FAA to restrict airspace like this.

At best Northam could only ask pretty please. Even if there are State-Fed national defense agreements on getting airspace over any given state restricted, someone in FedGov signed off on this.

There is protocol for anything like this, and for good reasons. Anyone screwing around with something like this that touches on National Defense and deals with interagency policy between big guns like the Department of Defense, Homeland Security, and probably dozens of alphabet soup Fed agencies is getting fired or arrested unless they cleared this without checking with a very high ranking official or military officer, or both.

Freaking wow.
 
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John Stark said:
Whether our President is involved in this order is beyond me, but only FedGov has the legal, law enforcement, and military authority to get the FAA to restrict airspace like this.

At best Northam could only ask pretty please. Even if there are State-Fed national defense agreements on getting airspace over any given state restricted, someone in FedGov signed off on this.

There is protocol for anything like this, and for good reasons. Anyone screwing around with something like this that touches on National Defense and deals with interagency policy between big guns like the Department of Defense, Homeland Security, and probably dozens of alphabet soup Fed agencies is getting fired or arrested unless they cleared this without checking with a very high ranking official or military officer, or both.

Freaking wow.
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This is scary because that high up person may very well not be Trump himself and may also be someone who is not on our side.
 
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Don't wear camo, no guns, let them attack you and take your lumps, be afraid of the media and leftists who will hate you no matter what you do, wear business casual, no Gadsden flags, kiss the ring.

Bend over and ask for more, and convince your tormentors that your torture isn't very nice but you love them enough to smile through it.

The Tom King strategy has won us back how much of our Second Amendment Right?

Let me go do the math.
 
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Northam is playing games again.
There is a Recall Petition in effect that requires 10% of residents to sign to start the process. They recently edited the law to require 25% .
** I was wrong, 10% of votes cast in the last election were needed, not 10% of the state population.
It was said that they were at 75%. Were the petitions available at the Rally I would think enough people would risk signing.*****

There seems to be the impression that the VCDL is comprised by a bunch of gun club fudds. They claim to have many lawyers and field grade (ex)military officers on their side.
I truly hope that the VCDL is successful as they have accomplished more than we were able to in NY.

I would think that if the guy next to you was starting crap, he would immediately be shut down by the crowd.
 
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It’s funny. This forum has more Virginia posts and threads than the actual hometown section of Virginia on Ar15.com.
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We're all living vicariously through them wishing it was us fighting for our rights and having national support. :*(


I think we all know where it's going and seeing VA saved gives us a glimmer of hope.
 
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Hope for what? For Cuomo to have a change a heart? Bottom line. Laws will only go away in one of 2 ways.

1. Scotus makes them go away.
2. There is a total government collapse federally created by the people.

Neither is going to happen.
 
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Hope for what? For Cuomo to have a change a heart? Bottom line. Laws will only go away in one of 2 ways.

1. Scotus makes them go away.
2. There is a total government collapse federally created by the people.

Neither is going to happen.
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The second will happen for sure 100% sooner or later.

The left is incapable of running things without collapsing the economy. When people start worrying about where their kids dinner will come from they will get a lot more sporty with the people in charge.
 
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ArmedCorgi said:
They don't want people flying drones to record what actually happens.
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BINGO! You can witness almost everything from the air! Coincidence or pre-planning? Remove all aircraft and keep all roof tops off limits to all but authorized snipers er observers and there's only one side of the story to tell.
 
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I've changed my thinking on this

I hope the rally turns into a shitshow and completely overwhelms the authorities and they are forced to put their tail between their legs, admit defeat and remove the law. It would be a strong warning to future legislators of the type of response they will receive if they do something similar.

Carrying signs and yelling won't cut it, the politicians aren't going to change their minds unless they see genuine anger on a massive scale.

How you accomplish that, I don't know.
 
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Hope for what? For Cuomo to have a change a heart? Bottom line. Laws will only go away in one of 2 ways.

1. Scotus makes them go away.
2. There is a total government collapse federally created by the people.

Neither is going to happen.
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Maybe if you'd stand out in the cold like the rest of us with a pro second amendment sign, you'd understand what being a true patriot of your country means.

Nothing is going to get done unless we let our county representatives know that it's unconstitutional laws that the governor is trying to pass. It's not like they know already what is going on. That and send lots of emails to our senators. They will read them and it will make a big difference.

We've had enough, and you can either sit there telling us there's no hope and light at the end of the tunnel, or you can start tracing out an m-16 on some plywood and heading to home depot for black spray paint so you can rise up against the tyranny and make a difference.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
I've changed my thinking on this

I hope the rally turns into a shitshow and completely overwhelms the authorities and they are forced to put their tail between their legs, admit defeat and remove the law. It would be a strong warning to future legislators of the type of response they will receive if they do something similar.

Carrying signs and yelling won't cut it, the politicians aren't going to change their minds unless they see genuine anger on a massive scale.

How you accomplish that, I don't know.
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Well I got an idea, take the fences down and let them deal with the mess
 
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I don't think its unlikely that some lib terrorist could wear a MAGA hat and take a couple of swings at a "counter-protester" and have it wind up on every lame-stream news outlet. It wouldn't be Bloomberg or Soros catching the blame.
 
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Hope for what? For Cuomo to have a change a heart? Bottom line. Laws will only go away in one of 2 ways.

1. Scotus makes them go away.
2. There is a total government collapse federally created by the people.

Neither is going to happen.
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Not saying your wrong, But the grievances must be filed, the people must be heard, Nobody can claim they are not doing the will of the people if the people just shrug it off
 
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