FBI seizing property (ppe)

BDinPutnam · Apr 2, 2020

Doesn't say who they seized this from?

:idk:

Airborneguy · Apr 2, 2020

I think it's great.

We're not talking about desirable Christmas presents or concert tickets here. We're talking about emergency, life saving equipment in the midst of a legit worldwide pandemic.

dwa12479 · Apr 2, 2020

Cracking down on the hoarding of vital supplies allows us to distribute this material to the heroic healthcare workers on the frontlines who are most in need,” HHS Secretary Alex Azar said in a statement. “Thanks to the quick work of the White House, the Department of Justice, and HHS, the seized resources were distributed in days to the doctors, nurses and first responders who need them.”

HHS is expected to pay the owner of the hoarded equipment pre-COVID-19 fair market value for the supplies.

Sounds fine to me. They are paying fair market value and getting the gear to those that really need it right now.

Future lesson to learn - Stop relying on China and the Just In Time supply line for vital survival necessities.

BDinPutnam · Apr 2, 2020

Airborneguy said:
I think it's great.

We're not talking about desirable Christmas presents or concert tickets here. We're talking about emergency, life saving equipment in the midst of a legit worldwide pandemic.

I have mixed feelings about this.

Airborneguy · Apr 2, 2020

Toecutter said:
Would you be ok with the government kicking i your door and taking your food , guns or ammo in an emergency?

That's for personal use. This is clearly being hoarded to sell at a ridiculous upcharge.

Truebeliever · Apr 2, 2020

Hopefully we learn not to allow all of certain medications to made overseas especially in China or India.

BDinPutnam · Apr 2, 2020

Airborneguy said:
That's for personal use. This is clearly being hoarded to sell at a ridiculous upcharge.

Who gets to decide what a ridiculous upcharge is?

And what is, and is not, subject to confiscation like this? Not to mention the threshold for what is and is not "hoarding"?

@thewheels · Apr 2, 2020

Airborneguy said:
That's for personal use. This is clearly being hoarded to sell at a ridiculous upcharge.

So the government gets to determine what's considered hoarding vs what's for personal use.
More than 20 rounds of ammo is hoarding. Where does that leave anybody on this forum?

BDinPutnam · Apr 2, 2020

"Your house is next to the hospital- we're gonna need you to go ahead and quarter these doctors from another state in it."

Was this gear lawfully acquired in the first place?

Blimey · Apr 2, 2020

I suppose tough shit I'm going with airborne on this one. Mental exercise. Some guy has managed to circumvent weeks' worth of production and has warehouses full of N95 masks, which the country needs. He sets a price of $50 per, no negotiations. In the same way the government can take your land for a road and pay you its fair price--whether you like it or not--I'd say they can do the same here, for the greater good. Pay him the cost of the items, but he doesn't get to keep them.

Airborneguy · Apr 2, 2020

BDinPutnam said:
"Your house is next to the hospital- we're gonna need you to go ahead and quarter these doctors from another state in it."

Was this gear lawfully acquired in the first place?

That's not what's happening here.

Airborneguy · Apr 2, 2020

@thewheels said:
So the government gets to determine what's considered hoarding vs what's for personal use.
More than 20 rounds of ammo is hoarding. Where does that leave anybody on this forum?

Do you see the hundreds of thousands of masks involved?

Are we really this ridiculous here with the "slippery slope" nonsense hypotheticals?

REF · Apr 2, 2020

I love this shit :popcorn:

SomeSoldier · Apr 2, 2020

What's it called when the gov comes and takes your property to expand roads? Why is this any different?

Personally, I think it's wrong.

MuttCat · Apr 2, 2020

Confiscation without compensation and police powers. Interesting story I read this morning regarding bump stocks and whether the federal government actually has police powers. No, not surgical masks, but some commonality to ponder. As we know, some say guns are a health issue....

Airborneguy · Apr 2, 2020

It literally says they're paying them in the posted article.

Catskillkid · Apr 2, 2020

SomeSoldier said:
What's it called when the gov comes and takes your property to expand roads?.

Eminent Domain

MuttCat · Apr 2, 2020

When I worked at DOT, the agency didn't "take" property for transportation projects; it "acquired" it and paid market value. I held my nose a lot when worked for them...

Catskillkid · Apr 2, 2020

Toecutter said:
Theft

In some cases absolutely yes, in other cases no. Just my :2cents:

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Curmudgeon · Apr 2, 2020

Airborneguy said:
We're not talking about desirable Christmas presents

You and I have different Christmas lists.

@thewheels · Apr 2, 2020

Airborneguy said:
Do you see the hundreds of thousands of masks involved?

Are we really this ridiculous here with the "slippery slope" nonsense hypotheticals?

That's the total from multiple seizures. It wasn't one shitweasel sitting on 150k masks.
And, There's no slippery slope involved. We're already at the bottom of the fucking hill if people can't see the forest for the trees for what's actually going on here.

TPTB don't relinquish anything once its been done/taken and they get away with it.

Airborneguy · Apr 2, 2020

Well I much prefer my mother and her colleagues get these supplies while they’re up to their neck in Covid patients and LOVE that the FBI is going after these pieces of shit.

kev74 · Apr 2, 2020

I don't have a problem with this.

I might look it it differently if they took some guy's ammo stash because they "needed" it more than the guy who thought to plan ahead, even though its not all that different of a scenario.

libertysnake · Apr 2, 2020

Airborneguy said:
That's for personal use. This is clearly being hoarded to sell at a ridiculous upcharge.

Is that what he was doing? If so, did they not at least compensate him at pre-surge prices?

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