Alec Baldwin Charged in “prop gun” shooting (Merged Threads)

I'm beginning to wonder if the term "prop gun" has different meanings in Hollywood speak. I always assumed a "prop gun" was a fake rubber or plast thing just for background shots. Maybe it means any "gun" functional or not.

Phazer said:

Tributes to woman accidentally 'shot' by Alec as armorer deletes social media

THE armorer who handled the gun before the accidental fatal shooting has shut down her social media accounts, and sources say she did so based on legal advice. Director of photography Halyna Hutchi…

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The gun —reportedly a vintage Colt pistol— was being used by crew members off set during a "target practice" with real bullets, multiple sources told TMZ.

So....NOT a "prop gun," but rather a real gun used as a prop.

Inexcusable.

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Nothing wrong with using a real gun. My understanding is that it's done all the time. Having live ammo anywhere near a set is inexcusable though

prop whiskey bottle .. sugar glass ..

I'm not a LEO or lawyer. That said, it sure sounds like charges of negligent homicide, involuntary manslaughter, or something on those lines seems like a charge that could be appropriate. Again, I know nothing about these charges other than they are for non criminal acts causing a death, I think.

Cavalry said:

I admittedly know nothing about how hollywood prop guns. I have always been under the assumption that the close up guns were actual firearms firing blanks, sometimes modified. Every now and then on really crappy 80's action flicks one can see a integral barrel blank firing adapter so a AR/M16 would cycle with blanks. On a SA revolver a BFA of course is not necessary.
I completely get how weird accidents happen like the Brandon Lee shooting, but the current reporting is they were using live rounds for some shots, and this had happened twice already? How the fuck would that ever be seen as a good idea? Why would live rounds even be on site for any reason?

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Apparently hollywood also calls blanks "live rounds" because they can go bang.

That is certainly not making this situation any clearer.

I can understand why real functional firearms are used. There are a lot of reasons for that. But I can't see why you would ever use *real* live ammunition. Even if you need to show closeups of characters handling it, no powder and a spent primer is plenty easy to come by.



As for the "live ammo" confusion, I guess if you can't get the difference between men and women right, why expect them to get anything else right.

masterswimmer said:

I'm not a LEO or lawyer. That said, it sure sounds like charges of negligent homicide, involuntary manslaughter, or something on those lines seems like a charge that could be appropriate. Again, I know nothing about these charges other than they are for non criminal acts causing a death, I think.

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The trick is that this wasn't caused by a single negligent act.

It was caused by a cascade of many of them.

From the armorer, to the prop master, to the producer, to Baldwin himself.

None of them on their own would be negligent enough to be criminal (not all irresponsible acts are criminally negligent).

Blimey said:

This seemed most likely occurrence from the get go. No criminal intent. Just sloppiness and insufficient care of the situation by those responsible for it.

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Did Alec carry out this fantasy ?

Blimey said:

This seemed most likely occurrence from the get go. No criminal intent. Just sloppiness and insufficient care of the situation by those responsible for it.

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Good thing the sloppiness and insufficient care occurred by the Elite an ordinary Joe could be facing criminally negligent homicide and others....

meketrefe said:

The are working in removing most laws and then a single new one: Everything is Illegal.

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Then they will just not charge people who please them. Fail to follow their whim and it's the chair for you.

Phazer said:

Tributes to woman accidentally 'shot' by Alec as armorer deletes social media

THE armorer who handled the gun before the accidental fatal shooting has shut down her social media accounts, and sources say she did so based on legal advice. Director of photography Halyna Hutchi…

www.the-sun.com

The gun —reportedly a vintage Colt pistol— was being used by crew members off set during a "target practice" with real bullets, multiple sources told TMZ.

So....NOT a "prop gun," but rather a real gun used as a prop.

Inexcusable.

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Any gun used in a movie or theater production is a prop gun.

Just like any building is part of the set, whether the built it for the movie, or just rented the place out.


Prop doesn't mean fake.

Phazer said:

Tributes to woman accidentally 'shot' by Alec as armorer deletes social media

THE armorer who handled the gun before the accidental fatal shooting has shut down her social media accounts, and sources say she did so based on legal advice. Director of photography Halyna Hutchi…

www.the-sun.com

So....NOT a "prop gun," but rather a real gun used as a prop.

Inexcusable.

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BINGO!

Massad Ayoob ​

spat said:

The trick is that this wasn't caused by a single negligent act.

It was caused by a cascade of many of them.

From the armorer, to the prop master, to the producer, to Baldwin himself.

None of them on their own would be negligent enough to be criminal (not all irresponsible acts are criminally negligent).

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The thing is, this supposedly happened 2-3 times . He was the producer, He was fully aware that his ""stunt double"" had negligent discharges, which means he was also handed a ""safe weapon"" and it went off. if you believe the story they are telling.in other words he should have known to check the weapon

I wonder about that little woke armorer also, this happened 3 times on her watch, was she a scorned bitch? Did she do that on purpose because she was pissed off at him? to teach him a lesson?

Let us not forget,that when the so-called “Safe Act” was written, there was an EXEMPTION was made for the motion picture production industry.

Dr. Evil said:

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Sure he didn't know the gun was loaded. Or is this Trumps fault too Alec?

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All accidental shootings were from an unloaded gun.

BerettaGuy said:

Let us not forget,that when the so-called “Safe Act” was written, there was an EXEMPTION was made for the motion picture production industry.

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Along with the tax shelter created for the Hollywood crowd


Since 2004 New York State has allocated $7.8 billion in tax incentives to the film and television industry—almost enough to build two Mario M. Cuomo bridges or two Freedom Towers.1 But despite sustained and growing investment, the film tax credit has not produced enough value for New Yorkers, and should be eliminated.

New Mexico criminal attorney Erlinda Johnson, a former state and federal prosecutor said the “Beetlejuice” actor could face possible criminal liability for involuntary manslaughter.

“All the state needs to demonstrate is that he was engaged in a lawful, but dangerous act and did not act with due caution,” she said. “That’s what the state has to prove for involuntary manslaughter, which is a fourth-degree felony with a maximum penalty of up to 18 months in prison.”

Doubt he will be charged... We Would if it was us.. Not him

spat said:

Then they will just not charge people who please them. Fail to follow their whim and it's the chair for you.

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Of course there will be exceptions created and founded on the checks and balances guaranteed by the PC and Woke cults.

Alec Baldwin accidentally kills cinematographer on set with loaded “prop gun”​

Thread title should have the word accidentally removed, or probably more properly replaced with negligently.
Robin

Robin said:

Alec Baldwin accidentally kills cinematographer on set with loaded “prop gun”​

Thread title should have the word accidentally removed, or probably more properly replaced with negligently.
Robin

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Accident just means unintentionally.

An accident can be negligent or not negligent depending on the circumstances, But it is still an accident if it was unintentional.

Not how I ever view the word. Whatever.
Robin

The smoking gun that claimed the life of Halyna Hutchins might've been more than just an on-set prop -- it was also being fired recreationally, even when cameras weren't rolling.

Multiple sources directly connected to the 'Rust' production tell TMZ ... the same gun Alec Baldwin accidentally fired -- hitting the DP and director -- was being used by crews members off set as well, for what we're told amounted to target practice.

We're told this off-the-clock shooting -- which was allegedly happening away from the movie lot -- was being done with real bullets ... which is how some who worked on the film believe a live round found its way in one of the chambers that day.

Obviously, authorities would want to speak to anyone who had been using the weapon for target practice, and -- more importantly -- to whoever was putting the gun back among others used for filming.


So it was a real gun being used as a prop, Ok that explains that. It wasn't a prop it was a gun. So they can cut the shit on how a live round ended up being fired from a fake gun. It didn't happen. They are trying so hard to put the blame on the armorer which shares some responsibility, but doesn't alleviate the guilt from Alex ""Bang Bang"" Baldwin. He failed to check the weapon after several incidents had already taken place.(by his stunt double) He failed to take proper safety precautions which resulted in the death of a person.

I dont know if his mental state at the time is relevant but I still believe he did it in anger not horsing around based on his past fits of rage.

Baldwin will have to prove he never had firearms training, never used a firearm recreationally, never been involved in a making a movie which portrayed firearms .

The autopsy report stated the cause of death was Covid, so theres that.

I had to make this one

Personal feelings for Baldwin can't play into this. The facts need to tell the story, and it'll be some time before all the facts truly come to light. If personal vendettas and emotion are allowed into the narrative, then the rule of law is dead.

Blimey said:

This has limited relevance to a movie set. There are thousands of movies with people pointing guns at other people. The reason it is usually very safe is because they take extra precautions the rest of us don’t have.

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They don't point real guns at eachother in movies. Blanks can kill you. They use angles and movie tricks to make it look that like they are shooting eachother. They also use clear bulletproof panels between actors and the crew, even with blanks , sometimes using remote cameras. After the Lee incident guns are supposed to be check between shots and also test fired into sand buckets before handing them to actors to be Ayre there is no obstruction. If a gun is up against someone's head it's fake and cgi may be used for effects.
This is clearly a series of events disregarding all gun safety and on set rules put in place that ended in a tragedy.