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For years I have admired VT for its gun laws and freedom. I even seriously considered moving to the state. Unfortunately so many people saw the beauty of the state and its policies, that did move there. But they brought their liberal ways with them. They inadvertently polluted the state with...

Lunacy!!!

This shouldn't be a "thread." It should be something sturdy like an anchor chain!!!!

I am still waiting for Hochul to do something FOR NY citizens rather than do something TO NY citizens.

was that SCOTUS or NY Supreme?

I agree. This comes up every couple of years, but there is no convincing some people.

I can't find the law establishing the pistol license. But I did find this on the net as I searched several articles on the subject. None of them supported your contention that open carry is legal. New York Gun Permit: Laws, Cost, Restrictions, & FAQs – GLS Tactical (gunlawsuits.org) State...

I did not misunderstand him. What I said in the discussion is what he said. He had published a book on the laws and verbally confirmed what he said in the book. Unfortunately it was several years ago, and I do not remember his name or the name of the book. He was also a retired state trooper...

Sorry, my lawyer told me what I passed on. Go ahead and carry openly if you insist. All I can do is try to help. Good luck.

Then why do you ask me to cite case law? I never claimed any case law. I merely point out how the courts read the law. The wording of the enabling legislation for the license is "carry concealed." I don't claim it is the right thing to, I merely point out what the state law says and what they...

This is my last comment. Read the law that establishes the carry permit. It labels the license as "concealed carry."

I don't claim that NYS is right. I only tell you what the NYS courts follow. And they will convict you in state court.

I am not a lawyer. List the court cases that support your position. I only rely on what the specialist lawyers told me.

The courts have maintained that the law specifically allows "concealed" carry. The license is for "concealed carry."

I asked that question of the attorneys I hired. They told me it is one of the exceptions "understood" by LE. along with open carry while hunting and hiking.

This comes up every few years with the same adamant claim that you can open carry in NYS. It is incorrect. I AM NOT GOING TO ARGUE THE POINT FURTHER BECAUtSE THOSE WHO WISH IT IS LEGAL WILL NOT BACK DOWN. I have checked with 2a attorneys who have verified my assertion. Open your own wallet...

WRONG

I did. The state law states that the pistol permit "is for concealed carry. ...but not in NYS.

The ccw is for concealed carry only.

Not needed. Just dust them off unless you drop them in mud.

YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID

Priscilla's restaurant on Floyd

Well, I suggested one explanation. I don't claim it to be the only one.

The recent shootings of innocent people by armed civilians is precipitated by the WOKE established Soros prosecutors who encourage crime instead of punishing criminals. Many people are afraid of the established crime wave that leads them to react irratrionally. My two cents worth.

You may be right. But the timing is key.

That would be encouraging if we stopped borrowing money from them.

Double Like.

Bankrupt them? You don't realize that they hold notes for most of the US's debt?

Perhaps! However, you had the opportunity to invest the rest and didn't do it. That is their "reason" for instituting SS.

Witch Hochul is disgusting.

What was the fine in Fine?:ROFL:

Shoulda just cut the wire. Then there would be no leaks. :banghead:

You have to remember that the MARINES only want a few good men. He is one of the others.

Dead rounds would be problelm :oops: :cool::p

She is just pre full blown dementia. I good replacement for Joe Biden.

I agree with this analysis, but I also think the heavy and continuous press coverage of these shootings encourage some of the weaker thinking minority to emulate them or try to out do them. Furthermore frustration levels are higher because of all picky new restrictions to our freedoms.

I have long thought that they should make it illegal to do anything illegal.

I assume it will keep me safe if I rob a bank with my freshly painted orange 1911.

I hold a Masters degree in Business, but I could never figure out how Bitcoin, etc worked. So I never invested in it. Wow, am I happy now after wondering if I was missing the boat. If you can't understand it, steer clear of any investment,

NY doesn't even recognize NY licenses to carry in most places according to the latest gibberish called a law.

I can't help but wonder if also spilled the pork with those beans. :)

LOL

I know Tenney. She is sincere.

I don't think there is only one thing. There must be more to make them sooo stupid.

The key is to get everyone to vote. I know too many who just don't bother since they have been beaten in elections so much.

Double and triple like

Not all of us Old timers are like that. Just a noisy minority. Old timer.

Fix it!!! It's "whom" not to "who." (just kidding)

The biggest reason to VOTE ZELDEN is that he is not Hochul