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.357 mag "power" from a glock 19???????
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The .45 ACP is outclassed ballistically by the .40 S&W so its become a dead end cartridge. Only really has a role in the 1911 as its native cartridge. I do want a 1911 someday, and it will be in .45.
and the 1911 is going the same way as the .45acp. and yes i also eventually one day want a 1911 and it will be in .45acp oh and i want a 2011 aka 1911 in 9mm oh and want one in 10mm and .22TCM but all would probably sit in the safe maybe hit up the range from time to time
1911 has history, nostalgia and Americana going for it. Objectively speaking it is a wonderfully shooting design with very good ergros. It's an excellent range gun.
I also want something in 10mm, currently the SIG P220 elite SAO. But I again wonder if it wouldn't be more efficient to combine my desore for 10mm and a 1911 in one purchase?
But then again 1911 has a reputation for being a sub optimal host for the 10mm.
I also never saw the point of a 1911 in 9mm. Why not a Highpower or CZ? Or go find a surplus SIG P210 (nuts to the new ones) Or a P226 for that matter? Or even a Berretta 92?
i dont see a point in .22lr AR15s or 1911s or so on but they are all over
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Love this guys videos. Has a similar dry sense of humor.
More importantly his videos are always to the point and factual.
I see a point in .22 anything simply because .22 is still cheaper than anything else. Observe however the proliferation of 9mm carbines as the price .22 has risen.
But now same logic for a 9mm 1911 cheaper than 45
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Once the grey beards of today die off so will the .45 ACP along with the 1911. No police department will ever field it to keep it alive which is usually what it takes to keep a cartridge alive. I mean it'll still be there due to history but not like today. Plus, the kids of today don't see it as tacticool which is another factor. That's why Wilson Combat is going ala Glock.
.357 Sig is another one that'll still be there but in even less numbers. 9mm and .40 will never go anywhere. They'll be strong for many years.
.357 Sig is another one that'll still be there but in even less numbers. 9mm and .40 will never go anywhere. They'll be strong for many years.
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Alright just read through the thread.
9mm and .45acp are not going anywhere anytime soon. 9mm has too much availability and diversity in loads, as well as it being probably the most practical round for training defense and competition. You can load it hot enough that it will only just barely fall short of light .357 magnum. But if someone really NEEDS a 357 mag, they'll probably get a revolver.
.45 acp isn't going anywhere because of availability again, but also because of the nostalgia in a 1911, plus the 45 fanboys who will take to their grave that a bigger hole means a more dead man. Not arguing for or against that but theres enough people who believe in that to keep up demand. Plus with the advent of 3 gun there is a whole class of competition that essentially requires .45 acp to be used. (heavy metal).
.40sw is basically a law enforcement only caliber at this point. Only because there is a very minute amount of instances that you would need the benefits of the .40 over a 9 and many of them would only really apply to an leo situation, not a civilian carry application. Even than some +p+ rounds can take care of that. Because of this though I think .40 will stick around.
.357 Sig and 10mm unfortunately are mainstream boutique rounds if that makes sense. 10mm seems to be coming into its own but .357 Sig is pretty damn near a unicorn. Like was mentioned not even the company who made the damn round makes its mainstream guns in it. I would have loved to see the p320 chambered in it though for the military contract cause i do believe its a round with potential to be a good all around but it seems that sort of signaled the death bell for .357 Sig.
9mm and .45acp are not going anywhere anytime soon. 9mm has too much availability and diversity in loads, as well as it being probably the most practical round for training defense and competition. You can load it hot enough that it will only just barely fall short of light .357 magnum. But if someone really NEEDS a 357 mag, they'll probably get a revolver.
.45 acp isn't going anywhere because of availability again, but also because of the nostalgia in a 1911, plus the 45 fanboys who will take to their grave that a bigger hole means a more dead man. Not arguing for or against that but theres enough people who believe in that to keep up demand. Plus with the advent of 3 gun there is a whole class of competition that essentially requires .45 acp to be used. (heavy metal).
.40sw is basically a law enforcement only caliber at this point. Only because there is a very minute amount of instances that you would need the benefits of the .40 over a 9 and many of them would only really apply to an leo situation, not a civilian carry application. Even than some +p+ rounds can take care of that. Because of this though I think .40 will stick around.
.357 Sig and 10mm unfortunately are mainstream boutique rounds if that makes sense. 10mm seems to be coming into its own but .357 Sig is pretty damn near a unicorn. Like was mentioned not even the company who made the damn round makes its mainstream guns in it. I would have loved to see the p320 chambered in it though for the military contract cause i do believe its a round with potential to be a good all around but it seems that sort of signaled the death bell for .357 Sig.
I agree the 9, .40 and .45 are not going anywhere anytime soon. The .357 Sig may do well south of the border where military rounds are illegal for the civilians. That is where the 38 Super reigns supreme. Quite a few other wonder 9 handgun rounds that are dead in the US except in very niche markets, the .356 TS&W, the 9x 21, 9x23 Winchester, 9x25 Dillon. Then you have the .400 Corbon, .41AE, .45 GAP, 50AE which are barely hanging on waiting for the reaper to declare them dead. Even the beloved .41 Magnum (the .41 Mafia is real) is a niche round although it is not dead by any means.
fuck the .45 gap
That may be so if limited to retail ammo sources, online there is minimal price disparity among the "big 3".
The USSS uses .357sig. In speaking to them over numerous long boring nights during UNGA details, they all seem to love it.
Texas Rangers and numerous other state DOT agencies as well. Air Marshals too I belive.
It seems whenever there is heavy expectation of engaging through vehicles the 357 SIG is favored. This is logical given the cartridge's ballistics.
all the more reason im not sure how the .40 took off like it did and the .357 is almost dead
.40 took off because of the Miami Dade shootout.
For the reasons listed above I don't belive the 357 SIG is dead, just somewhat obscure. I still see it on the shelves almost everwhere.
and by dead i mean. no new guns coming out in it, hell the shield isnt coming out in .357, glock stopped making new stuff in that, same with sig. yes its out there but its just sustaining and thats about it. still a bit pricey
The fact that all that is needed to convert a .40 to 357 SIG is a new barrel takes much of the impetus away from manufacturers rolling out dedicated 357 models out. That said I imagine a 357 SIG P320 will show up at some point.
right but at the same time you have to find someone who makes a .357 sig barrel... lets take cz for a fact P-07 .40 cal cant find a .357 barrel for that
If there is anything that's dead here its those Rowland cartridges. The .460 has a niche maybe but the misleadingly name .960 is DOA, just an obscure duplicate of multiple other, aleady obscure cartridges.
They don't offer a .45 either. Maybe CZ is a bad example as that company is itself outside the mainstream. Though this is changing. As CZ models continue on towards mainstream acceptance perhaps we will see additional calibers offered?
oh i know the rowland rounds are DOA but again could be a fun round. better than the .50 GI conversion which provides zero advantages to anything, the rowland actually does have some advantages just not cost effective and so never going to take off
CZ 97 (oh and CGW does some super sick shit with these, and im kicking myself for passing up a used one at $400)
Does anyone remember Barry? Barry was very keen on the Masterpiece Arms MAC 10 clone in .460 Rowland. A chambering that was quickly dropped.
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I like all this gun talk. I'm proud of you guys.
.45 Gap is only alive because of a few state police agencies. If they drop them and go back to 9 or .40 it'll die and never be heard from again.
.45 Gap is only alive because of a few state police agencies. If they drop them and go back to 9 or .40 it'll die and never be heard from again.
Thanks NYSP -_-
(Also that's why I do these semi pointless rant threads, sometimes they score and get some good gun talk, which sadly is hard to find)