Well most guns only have 1 round in the chamber.
But in think I know what you are trying to say and return with..
7 or 10 rounds edc
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Well most guns only have 1 round in the chamber.
But in think I know what you are trying to say and return with..
The official law is 10, not 7. Part of the SAFE act that was overturned by the state judge was that 7 round limit, on the basis that it was too arbitrary (though I don't understand how a 10-round limit is any less arbitrary).
See the confusion is that the law as it is on paper was never changed to reflect that ruling.
Well if anyone is truly confused about this issue, they need to go revisit some old school house rock videos and remind themselves on how the legislative process works.
If the judicial branch overturns a piece legislation put out by the legislative branch and signed by the executive branch, it is no longer considered law.
Plenty of news articles confirmed that the 7 round limit was in fact overturned.
The rumor mill on an internet forum is the last place I'd go to verify legal issues.
twister
.38 Special
This is from the safe act web page
NYSAFE Act Gun Reform | SafeAct
click find out about changes to bill
NYSAFE Act Gun Reform | SafeAct
click find out about changes to bill
Was that actually amended via the state legislature? Or did the governor's office simply put out clarifying comments after the Western NY Court overruled the ban on 10-round magazines?
One method has the weight of law behind it. The other is merely an executive decree that would have little chance of surviving legal scrutiny in a civil or criminal court.
The only true "amendment" that I'm aware of is the exemption for retired police officers from the magazine limit provision. I've yet to hear of someone being arrested, and charged, in NY for having more than 7, but less than 11, rounds loaded in their pistol's magazine.
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twister
.38 Special
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
That story was updated confirming that liberal Erie County was initially charging people with 7 round violations (even though they knew about the court's findings), the 7 round SAFE limit was struck down, and charges are being dropped for all Erie County people with outstanding 7 round SAFE act charges.
Amid confusion, part of SAFE Act will stop being enforced in Erie County
twister
.38 Special
I'm sure you can fight it and win, but is the hassle and cost worth it?
E the massive
.308 Win
Hell yeah.
Okay, but let's be honest here:
- The charges were dropped because the presiding judge acknowledged the lack of legal credibility.
- It sounds like that particular county, and that particular DA, are going after certain individuals who may or may not have committed other crimes. In that type of situation, the prosecutors and police will throw whatever charges they can and see what sticks. As was already pointed out, those particular charges didn't stick.
Do what you want for CCW, but a criminal court will be hard-pressed to charge someone with a legal provision that has been overturned.
twister
.38 Special
Hmmmm... charged with a felony, put in jail, guns confiscated. Pay bail, pay attorney, wait forever to get your guns back after winning the case. Not worth it to me.
No one has been charged with a felony for having 8-10 rounds loaded in their permitted pistol magazine.
If you have reservations, fine, do what you want.
But putting out gouge like 'the law only allows for 7' is plainly false. That part of the law was overturned.
Alternative:
Die 2 shots short of stopping the threat.
Not worth following imaginary laws to me.
twister
.38 Special
I was theorizing a worst case... but it's not so plain to me as its in writing on the safe act website. Still room for left leaning law enforcement to cause a person a lot of hassle even if it has been overturned. It should be changed on the site. I tried to read the safe act bill a while ago and got cross eyed in a short time... lol
I'll stick to 7 for now till I move. Then problem solved.
Content found on an executive agency's website is not the same thing as codified law.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
It is not wise to assume your deadly encounter involves one threat. After a thwarted home invasion with at least four participants, I see a worthy realistic need for normal 30 round capacity in a carbine. No matter how much training is suggested, seven round limits are vile thoughtless bullshit and sinfully violate our sacred right to defend our family and selves. FUAC
Uzi
.308 Win
Many police have made it known that they really want to, and will arrest people that carry over 7 rounds. Many have said they will still enforce the 7 round limitation. The police don't care about your rights or the laws they don't know enough about. Their job is to arrest you so they can put food on the table. They're not looking out for your best interests. Whatever you decide to do, carry an extra magazine along with your CCW and keep a round chambered.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yes.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
God forbid the situation occurs, but if anyone in my family or I face an arrest or charge for a 7 round SAFE act violation in the current legal situation, it will be a life's mission to ensure that those officers of the court will be on a diet with much less food on their table. Just saying it may not be a wise career decision in the long run.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You know what's funny? You have a court ruling from both the Western District and the 2nd Circuit that says that you can load or carry 10 rounds in a 10 round magazine and you are hesitant with that.
Yet you'll use a standard bullet button (which is really just making the magazine release smaller and works the same as a regular one) and keeps the rifle with the ability to accept a detachable magazine but you'll chance that.
Or maybe that was Spat. I can't remember.
Uzi
.308 Win
Find a post where I mentioned how many rounds I carry? Find a post where I said I was hesitant? Find a post where I said I used a bullet button?
I just shared in my last post what many police are still enforcing. That is fact. So nothing funny about that at all. Secondly, as much as you still don't fucking understand the main purpose of why I've and others have chosen a fixed magazine, I have a few of them because they're widely accepted to meet within the legal criteria, they've been for sale for more than several years at countless FFL's, and nothing has changed yet about it.Way to bring up some dumb ass shit that has nothing to do with the thread too. You must be drunk and bored.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
From the beginning of this thread you have been arguing incorrectly about 7 and warning people that they will have to defend against that. Maybe you were warning just for the sake of it in contrast to what you actually do. That's possible. And as far as the fixed magazine, I'm pretty sure you've been a proponent of that and haven't warned anyone against it unless I'm confusing you with someone else. I'll have to take your word on it since I'm not going to back and look for those posts.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
For Christ's sake 10 rounds are GTG. Kill this damn thread already.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I haven’t been able to fit that many in my 642.
Uzi
.308 Win
You remind me of an annoying nagging wife/girlfriend. What do you want from me? Take a look at the relevant information someone posts instead of nitpicking older posts and into odd random topics. I'm not always correct, and I'm okay with that, but due to confusion and continued unlawful enforcement that remians, Even if the law was repealed, It's still being enforced by many police in different counties, That's all I just put emphasis on.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I don't want anything from you. If my posts fluster you, then don't respond to them. It isn't my intention to make you feel a certain way. Just posting my observations. That is all.
Uzi
.308 Win
Maybe try to observe important information instead. Just a thought.
99cummins
.308 Win
That is narrow minded and piss poor thinking. While statistics would suggest 3-5 shots are generally enough, betting your life on numbers and hoping for a best case scenario isn’t the best plan. Multiple threats is one issue. Take your 3 rounds times 3 threats and you’re out of ammo without a reload. Granted, 10 rounds isn’t much better.
And why wouldn’t you want to give yourself every advantage in a worse case scenario. Or just read this story that has been beaten to death on gun forums I’m sure. And yes I know this is about a LEO but you could draw some parallels to a civilian. If you haven’t seen his story before, it’s worth the read.
If you were loading to 7 rounds in your mags against this attacker, you would have dumped 2 mags and still not stopped the threat.
From the article:
“At the core of his desperate firefight was a murderous attacker who simply would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition — six of those hits in supposedly fatal locations.”
“A master firearms instructor and a sniper on his department’s Tactical Intervention Unit, “I was confident at least some of them were hitting him, but he wasn’t even close to slowing down,” Gramins said.”
“In this free-for-all, the assailant had, in fact, been struck 14 times. Any one of six of these wounds — in the heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney — could have produced fatal consequences…“in time,” Gramins emphasizes.”
“Gramins had discharged 33 rounds. Four remained in his magazine.”
Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job
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