holdover
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I don't buy the ISIS angle for one minute, especially when its ""leaked out""
Active Shooter Mandalay Bay
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The guy leaking it was the first to report that manafort was wire tapped...
coincidental timing.... I was just reading fox news and came across this story ISIS-inspired plot targeted Times Square, NYC subway, feds say
which I had NOT yet heard of a foiled attack in NYC last year. Read it, look at the intended targets, techniques and....drum roll....the Philippines involvement and money being wired to/from the Philippines. Potential to attack crowds. Concerts. Times square. Subway system.
Sound familiar?
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holdover
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Investigators in Las Vegas have revealed suspicious details that call into question the presumption that the killer acted alone in carrying out the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history on Sunday night.
NBC News reports two clues may indicate a second person may have been involved in the assault on a country music concert from the 32nd story hotel room of the Mandalay Bay hotel that killed 59 people people and wounded nearly 500 more.
First, a charger was found in the killer’s room that did not match his phone. Second, according to hotel records, one of the gunman’s keycards was used to enter his room at a time when his car left the garage.
NBC News reports two clues may indicate a second person may have been involved in the assault on a country music concert from the 32nd story hotel room of the Mandalay Bay hotel that killed 59 people people and wounded nearly 500 more.
First, a charger was found in the killer’s room that did not match his phone. Second, according to hotel records, one of the gunman’s keycards was used to enter his room at a time when his car left the garage.
holdover
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ECU Pirates
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Former Milwaukee Sheriff, David Clarke said on Thursday that he has been in law enforcement for nearly 40 years and he’s suspicious about everything surrounding the Vegas shooter because of the lack of public engagement.
Sheriff David Clarke: Las Vegas Investigation is 'Suspicious'
I just can't take a guy in a hat like that seriously.
Acer-m14
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i seen a meme on my FB .. hundred of security cams at the pentagon (9/11) and most likely at the hotel .. not one one photo .. ?
think i can find that post on FB now .. nope .. spent the last hour looking ..
think i can find that post on FB now .. nope .. spent the last hour looking ..
"Sheriff David Clarke" only wears the hat because his boyfriend Sean Hannity likes it.
More and more I doubt anything but the simplest explanation: a degenerate gambler boomer saw life as meaningless and empty and wanted to go out in a blaze of glory. He was a liberal who wanted to kill Trump voters and he did using common sense and basic planning with off the shelf gear, way more than he needed.
The media took it from there, associating all white male gun owners with this guy while never making the same conclusions about Muslim shooters, etc.
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Using a gun was his first mistake.
A gun is a precision instrument, using it for indiscriminate killing is like cutting down a tree with a scalpel.
We are lucky he didn't turn one of his planes into a missile, would have been 10x the devastation.
The car could have caused more indiscriminate destruction and provide a bit of deniablity if apprehended. Even low order explosives surrounded by shrapnel or ball bearings would tear through everything for quite some distance. Better yet is to set off a dummy explosion which would then send everyone into your kill zone where a secondary explosion takes out hundreds. So yeah, Not well planned. As many innocent souls were taken, an actual well planned attack would take more with little doubt.
I don't by into the conspiracy theorists that seem to pop up every time there's an event like this. Keep it simple stupid! Most likely scenario is the one played out in front of everyone. That this lone gunman, in his deranged mind, organized and planned to kill others in complete disregard for his survival. It's not that hard to accept, there are mass murderers, serial killers that do the same, methodically plan out and carry out that which the rest of the normal world would find repulsive and reprehensible! Let alone the conspiracy theorists are mostly armchair investigators.
I don't by into the conspiracy theorists that seem to pop up every time there's an event like this. Keep it simple stupid! Most likely scenario is the one played out in front of everyone. That this lone gunman, in his deranged mind, organized and planned to kill others in complete disregard for his survival. It's not that hard to accept, there are mass murderers, serial killers that do the same, methodically plan out and carry out that which the rest of the normal world would find repulsive and reprehensible! Let alone the conspiracy theorists are mostly armchair investigators.
holdover
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Well planned is the wrong term . The planning involved was about as much as you would do for a one week vacation , Not an exceptional amount nor does it require brilliance or any large amount of experience. but it did require some planning to pull off, He didn't simply happen to get that room overlooking the concert on that date by coincidence. He did not go to that particular hotel by accident , He had brought enough ammo and figured he could get his gear into place in a few days . He Came a few days early, reconned his target ,observed the area, considered the distance , somehow prevented house keeping from his room , He considered his target , country western concert where there were many conservatives there.
There was planning involved , it was not a spur of the moment thing, But isn't like the press is saying either. Nothing special overall , just that it had to be planned out to some extent.
There was planning involved , it was not a spur of the moment thing, But isn't like the press is saying either. Nothing special overall , just that it had to be planned out to some extent.
holdover
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Here is a woman , making a video live at the Bellagio , who claims the front doors or windows were shot out 45 minutes after the attack started in the concert. says she was in the lobby when bullets came through the glass . It would have been impossible for rounds to hit the front door from where the shooter was because the door perpendicular to the shooter and about a mile away.
I have no idea if this woman is just over-reacting and making up bullshit . Just putting it out there
I have no idea if this woman is just over-reacting and making up bullshit . Just putting it out there
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4excal
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Effectively "wiped" clean by Zucky and company..
Catskillkid
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Which begs the question: What are they covering up?
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ANTIFA
4excal
.338 Win Mag
Nah. Not in 2001. They're relatively new group.
Marine Cpl
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I thought you meant about the Mandalay. Nevermind. Carry on. Chambered of course.
Catskillkid
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Sorry, I thought the same thing you did. Regardless, the casino must have a bazillion cameras. Don't tell me they don't know who was coming and going from that room.
holdover
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They do. there was a phone charger in there that didn't fit his phone either, Maybe means nothing at all , but the more that comes out, the more it looks like he wasn't alone.
4excal
.338 Win Mag
Well damn, I couldn't have made it any clearer by quoting the post I responded to
4excal
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The phone charger thing could just mean he used a throwaway prepaid for certain texts and conversations. I got friends that use two phones for certain reasons.. Then the dude "threw it" away before all the shit went down. That'd be my guess.
Catskillkid
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Well damn, I couldn't have made it any clearer by quoting the post I responded to
Sorry, 4excal. Not all of us have the reading comprehension skills that you do.
But, then who has his handler?
The more that comes out the more suspicious I am becoming.
"Allegedly" he "may" have converted to Islam 6 months ago, that would be April. He was already very anti trump and pussy hat before april. Is it possible he became pro antifa and from there converted to Islam and and ISIS sympathizer?
Before that he "may" have had questionable dealings with government subcontractors. Follow the money trail on his airplane he used to have. Interesting Info Regarding A Plane Once Registered To Stephen Paddock - Common Sense Evaluation
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There is a brand new story that just came out yesterday about ISIS sympathizers were caught last year plotting to attack NYC, Times square and the subway. Guess where the money was wire transferred through? The Philippines...reading the report claiming what ISIS tried to do last year is almost a playbook for what just happened in Vegas.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...-york-concert-terrorism-indictment/index.html. very interesting timing to release this story.
The more I hear the less likely I personally think it is that a retiree just woke up, snapped and decided to committ the worst mass shooting ever.
I think this guy was radicalized either by antifa, isis or a combination of them.
Less likely, but possible this guy was some kind of intelligence agent or gun runner and he is either the patsie fall guy or was working for the deep state. I am admitting This is tin foil hat territory but there are a few tidbits which at least suggest it's possible. No real evidence though.
4excal
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I don't even use the word "handler" in this situation. I believe he brought shit up to a room overlooking a known concert date and shot people. Deranged, mass killer, end of story. Same as Dylan Roof and and anyone else that shoots multiple people.
Dylan roof. Absolute trash scumbag. Derranged individual. I 100% agree Dylan roof happened just how it was said to have happened.
The other phone charger is an interesting wrinkle
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You are heading into ECU Pirates territory. Let me guess. You also believe that the bump stock fires 800 rounds per second? Or that ISIS recruited a 60 year old wealthy white man and told him to carry 20 guns to a room? Or that the government didn't poison alcohol during prohibition?
4excal
.338 Win Mag
Let me revise my statement about not believing this is a conspiracy of sorts.. I DO believe that the guy was most likely Left and against Trump support, the only reason I think this is because the story dissapeared from MSM 3 few days after. You gotta go 3/4 of the site down in FOX News to see anything LV Shooter related. So conspiracy..no, MSM outlets being quiet since learning of his political beliefs..yes. If this was a Conservative Right leaning outspoken dude..it would still be on top of headlines and scrolling on the bottom of MSM shows 24 hours a day..but nope, it's pretty much yesterday's news magically. Such a shame.
4excal
.338 Win Mag
Answers to your three questions.
Nope. Nope. Maybe.
4excal
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There's no way in hell i'm gonna read the first 10 pages of laughable conspiracy theorists postings with almost zero credible information about it at the time..so fill me in on "heading into @ECU Pirates territory" means? If it means not a believer of made up straw grasping conspiracies and believe that a dude unhinged and killed people..then yup, I'm heading into that territory I guess
holdover
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You didn't read it, then claim its not credible? Made up stories you didn't read?
Ok, so a few days ago the authorities said a security guard was shot in the leg by the gunman and two hundred rounds were fired at the security guard as he approached the shooter's room. The shooter had cameras to alert him to anyone trying to get close to him. Where's the pictures of the bullet holes from these two hundred rounds? The bullets had to go somewhere, either across the hallway into other rooms or down the hall. And if they went into other rooms, were there guests in those rooms at the time?
Now I've seen the photo of the dead shooter and where are the pictures showing the expanded brass casings? There has to be a huge amount of them everywhere in that suite. The suite is spacious and I'd like to see where in the room his body was found in relation to his shooting positions.
Now I've seen the photo of the dead shooter and where are the pictures showing the expanded brass casings? There has to be a huge amount of them everywhere in that suite. The suite is spacious and I'd like to see where in the room his body was found in relation to his shooting positions.