Dinkus the Stinkus
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It means it wasn't planned by this Stephen Patsy guy and was planned by someone looking to create a reason to infringe on our 2nd ammendment rights more.
Active Shooter Mandalay Bay
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Robin
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Hmmm, well, if you view the named perp as some kind of quasi-victim then whoever planned this, for whatever reason, did a pretty good job.
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livingston
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Unnamed shooting suspect who occupied Mandalay Bay room 32-134 exited out hotel room door to make their escape
Posted on January 26, 2018 by Shepard Ambellas
It appears, in a roundabout way, the LVMPD has admitted that another suspect was occupying room 32-134 on the night of the massacre, during the shooting
LAS VEGAS (INTELLIHUB) — The unnamed suspect who occupied Mandalay Bay room 32-134, the room adjacent to Stephen Paddock’s end suite (32-135), made their escape out the front door then exited the building, according to vague details published in the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department’s 19 Jan. preliminary report on the 1 October mass casualty shooting which left 58 people attending a country music concert dead.
As Intellihub reported on 10 Oct., over a week before the release of the prelim report, there is no way that Paddock could have made his way back and forth between the two rooms, as Sheriff Joseph Lombardo previously stated on the record. This action would have been physically impossible because the adjoining door to room 32-134 was dead-bolted shut at 9:46 p.m., about 14 minutes prior to the first volley of fully automatic gunfire, as the official report indicates. To top it all off, the report states that at 9:36 p.m. the dead bolt for room 32-135 was engaged which proves that both doors were locked at the time of the shooting as if the perpetrators had planed it that way.
On 10 Jan., Intellihub Tweeted: “If the adjoining #Room134 door connecting Paddock’s room was locked and had to be breached by @LVMPD, from room 135, then who locked it? It can only be locked from the other side! Answer this please.”
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Unnamed shooting suspect who occupied Mandalay Bay room 32-134 exited out hotel room door to make their escape
Posted on January 26, 2018 by Shepard Ambellas
It appears, in a roundabout way, the LVMPD has admitted that another suspect was occupying room 32-134 on the night of the massacre, during the shooting
LAS VEGAS (INTELLIHUB) — The unnamed suspect who occupied Mandalay Bay room 32-134, the room adjacent to Stephen Paddock’s end suite (32-135), made their escape out the front door then exited the building, according to vague details published in the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department’s 19 Jan. preliminary report on the 1 October mass casualty shooting which left 58 people attending a country music concert dead.
As Intellihub reported on 10 Oct., over a week before the release of the prelim report, there is no way that Paddock could have made his way back and forth between the two rooms, as Sheriff Joseph Lombardo previously stated on the record. This action would have been physically impossible because the adjoining door to room 32-134 was dead-bolted shut at 9:46 p.m., about 14 minutes prior to the first volley of fully automatic gunfire, as the official report indicates. To top it all off, the report states that at 9:36 p.m. the dead bolt for room 32-135 was engaged which proves that both doors were locked at the time of the shooting as if the perpetrators had planed it that way.
On 10 Jan., Intellihub Tweeted: “If the adjoining #Room134 door connecting Paddock’s room was locked and had to be breached by @LVMPD, from room 135, then who locked it? It can only be locked from the other side! Answer this please.”
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Unnamed shooting suspect who occupied Mandalay Bay room 32-134 exited out hotel room door to make their escape
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Well maybe Occam can explain how Paddock shot from the second room window when the dead bolt was locked from the inside of that room according to police report . PG 11 .
Cavalry
.308 Win
The report states that the room deadbolts were actuated. It is known they have sensors on the main doors but the report not specify if that is for the main door or the adjoining door, or even if the adjoining door has these sensors. The deadbolt in the adjoining door cannot be seen in the released pictures to see if it is in or out.
There is a very simple explanation to the adjoining door "issue", with the information given to us. As shown in other videos the adjoining doors has a handle and deadbolt both one sided. Through either a deliberate action by the shooter or the wind from two broken windows the adjoining door on 134 was shut. If the door was latched (deadbolt not actuated) it would still be impassible from the 135 side.
If we find out that the deadbolt to the adjoining door was indeed actuated there of course would be legitimate questions that need to be answered.
freddy
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Please! Do not try to introduce logic into this thread! Rational thinking is not wanted here!
Cavalry
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This video shows the best out there on how the adjoining doors are configured.
It appears that the middle hinge is self closing as also evidenced by the bags placed against the door to prevent closure. Complete guess but he may have had something to prevent the door from closing and it was knocked out of place traveling back from the oil tank shots or by whatever explosives they used to breech 135 later on.
It appears that the middle hinge is self closing as also evidenced by the bags placed against the door to prevent closure. Complete guess but he may have had something to prevent the door from closing and it was knocked out of place traveling back from the oil tank shots or by whatever explosives they used to breech 135 later on.
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You may not want to use rational thinking but the rest of us are.
freddy
.308 Win
Ha ha! You're a comedian!
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Robin
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Sheriff seems to have a bit of a credibility problem though.
Robin
Robin
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Do you ever get tired of making an ass of yourself? Sherriff Lombardo said it was dead bolted, for crying out loud. Rational thinking requires the facts before the conclusion , not vice versa like you do . Of course there is probably some deep rooted psychological reason you keep embarrassing yourself like that.
Get the facts then make the determination OK ? that's how it works.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
why would he intentionally lie about a deadbolt?
The inner doors are known to have deadbolts its no secret.
SWAT blew the inner door because it was locked
freddy
.308 Win
We like fake 'facts' around these parts.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
You don't like any facts.
the inner door was locked,
The inner door had a turn style deadbolt
Swat had to breach door because it was locked,
Door can only be locked from inside of the room
Inner doors are not made to be key locked.
Sherriff said lock on door was engaged.
Police report said lock on door was engaged.
Freddie says cops are full of shit , its not factual . Must be true. You sound like an idiot
the inner door was locked,
The inner door had a turn style deadbolt
Swat had to breach door because it was locked,
Door can only be locked from inside of the room
Inner doors are not made to be key locked.
Sherriff said lock on door was engaged.
Police report said lock on door was engaged.
Freddie says cops are full of shit , its not factual . Must be true. You sound like an idiot
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Page 11 on the police reports states """at 2146 hours the deadbolt to 32-135 was engaged""
This identifies the type of lock ,)(dead bolt ) Which door it was , (between rooms 32 and 135) and that the lock was engaged.
The report can been by opening the PDF file on link:
Las Vegas Shooting Preliminary Report
This identifies the type of lock ,)(dead bolt ) Which door it was , (between rooms 32 and 135) and that the lock was engaged.
The report can been by opening the PDF file on link:
Las Vegas Shooting Preliminary Report
freddy
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For the sake of your neighbors let us all hope your self-proclaimed title of "LEO/military" is fake news.
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Cavalry
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Yes,It most certainly identifies the room that the bolt was engaged. Room 32-135, 32nd floor room 135. It is not the deadbolt between rooms 32 and 135, as there are not any rooms in this hotel with that designation.
Both rooms deadbolt lock histories are mentioned in the report, but nowhere does it specify what door (entrance or pass-through) they are referring to, as does nowhere it state the pass-through door was deadbolted.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Ok, I must have misread that to be the connecting rooms.
Sherriff Lombardo said that the door to the second room was locked in his interview . Which it why it breeched in the first place.
I Jumped the gun on deadlock. Ill need to research it to find out for sure. As far as I know , connecting rooms are not locked with key locks or pass locks .
Sherriff Lombardo said that the door to the second room was locked in his interview . Which it why it breeched in the first place.
I Jumped the gun on deadlock. Ill need to research it to find out for sure. As far as I know , connecting rooms are not locked with key locks or pass locks .
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Yes of course Freddie, To bad you cant say that to my face or you'd have fake teeth.
freddy
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You want to escalate to violence? Maybe you are LE after all.
holdover
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That's low , Im going to have to call personal foul on that. unnecessary roughness, roughing the poster , repeat 2nd grade.
holdover
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uh huh.
holdover
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He just gets a kick out of breaking my balls . He has no interest in this at all.
MikeyCNY
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Welcome to the Internet!
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That's the truth. Nobody can be that ......!
holdover
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Cavalry, post Yes,It most certainly identifies the room that the bolt was engaged. Room 32-135, 32nd floor room 135. It is not the deadbolt between rooms 32 and 135, as there are not any rooms in this hotel with that designation.
LAS VEGAS — The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department’s responded Thursday to a request filed on Monday by the Baltimore Post-Examiner for an explanation of the locked adjoining room, 32-134 to gunman Stephen Paddock’s suite at the Mandalay Bay Hotel.
On January 10 the Baltimore Post-Examiner published, Neither the police or the FBI have explained the locked door in Stephen Paddock’s suite.
In that story, I referred to a Nov. 2 interview with Clark County Sheriff, Joe Lombardo who runs the LVMPD, that was being conducted by Las Vegas station KLAS-TV’s investigative reporter, George Knapp.
During that interview, Lombardo said that the door inside Paddock’s suite that led to the bedroom area that had the broken-out window that was facing the fuel tanks at the airport was locked and secured and had to be explosively breached by the entry team
last Friday the LVMPD released the preliminary investigative report on the Las Vegas massacre. For the purposes of this story, I am referring to excerpts from that report that only concern room 32-134.
Excerpts as follows
Page 7: A team of officers including a Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) Operator reached the 32nd floor via the stairwell in the 100-wing. Officers did not hear gunfire coming from room 32-135.
A second explosive breach was utilized to gain access to room 32-134 through the connecting doors. Officers cleared room 32-134 finding several rifles in the room.
The details listed below were gathered from several different sources. [Lock interrogation documents are listed as one of those sources].
Page 8: Paddock booked the connecting room (32-134) for Sept. 29 through Oct. 2. Paddock was set to check out of both rooms on Oct. 2.
Page 11: Oct. 1. At approximately 1337 hours, the room service ticket [#51592684] was closed out for room 32-134 in Danley’s name. The check totaled $67.60 and included two entrees. [Danley was in the Philippines so she could not have been in the room. Two entrees could have meant two people were in the room, however, from prior experience in the industry it would not be uncommon for one person to order two meals].
From 1423 to 1940 hours, the doors for rooms 32-134 and 32-135 were manipulated multiple times. For example, the doors were opened, closed and the deadbolt locks were engaged and disengaged several times.
At approximately 2136 hours, the deadbolt to room 32-135 was engaged.
At approximately 2146 hours, the deadbolt to room 32-134 was engaged.
Page 12: Approximately 2206 hours. Security Officer Campos began walking down the 100-wing toward Center Core. Paddock fired rounds down the hallway at Security Officer Campos. Campos was struck in the left calf with a bullet fragment. He took cover in the alcove between 32-134 and 32-122.
Page 13: Approximately 2214 hours. Engineer Schuck arrived at the Center Core of the 32nd floor and walked up to the 100-wing toward room 32-135. Engineer Schuck quickly realized it was automatic gunfire. After the gunshots stopped, Security Officer Campos yelled at Engineer Schuck to take cover.
Engineer Schuck turned and took cover in the alcove between rooms 32-119 and 32-117. Paddock fired rounds down the hallway at Engineer Schuck. He was not struck by gunfire.
Page 14: Approximately 2215 hours. Paddock fired two separate volleys of an unknown number of rounds into the Las Vegas Village area.
Approximately 2216 hours. LVMPD Officers Varsin and Hendrex along with Mandalay Bay security officers made entry into the stairwell on the 31st floor.
Approximately 2257 hours. K-9 Sergeant Bitsko and SWAT Officer Hancock manually breached the door [Fire stairwell door adjacent to Paddock’s suite] barricaded with the “L” bracket.
Page 15: Approximately 2326 hours. The Strike Team made a second explosive breach from inside of room 32-135 into 32-134 through the connecting doors.
Page 27: Below on the 31st floor, LVMPD Officers Varsin and Hendrix along with Security Managers Oelke and Umstott walked up the 100-wing when they heard gunfire coming from the 32nd floor. They moved to the stairwell at the end of the hall. As they got closer to the stairwell, the gunfire continued, and they smelled gunpowder. They entered the 100-wing stairwell and proceeded up to the door of the 32nd floor. They posted up to block any possible escape by the shooter.
Page 30: Team 2 continued through the living area to the right and encountered a closed, locked connecting door leading to the adjoining room 32-134. SWAT Officer Hancock and Officer Walford attempted to kick the door open but determined it was a solid wood door inside a metal frame. It was decided a second explosive breach was needed to gain entry into the adjoining room.
The media request to the LVMPD from the Baltimore Post-Examiner
Question: If the main entry door was dead bolted to Room 32-134, that had to be done from inside that room. Expended cartridges would be from firing inside 32-134 that had the broken window that faced McCarran International Airport. If the connecting door was closed and locked that led to Room 32-134, that had to be done from inside Room 32-134. So, if the main door to that room was dead bolted then how did Paddock get out of that room. Again, the door had to be locked from inside that room, so how did he get out? What am I missing here?
LVMPD response to the Baltimore Post-Examiner
I spoke with LVMPD spokesman Larry Hadfield via telephone. I explained again what was contained in my media request. Hadfield responded that he couldn’t provide anything that specific, that he couldn’t dissect the preliminary report, it was part of the investigation and as the sheriff said there will be a comprehensive report later. Referring to the preliminary report he said, “Take it for what it’s worth.”
The preliminary investigative report states the deadbolt to room 32-134 was engaged at 2146 hours. There is no further mention whether the lock interrogations for either room 32-134 or 32-135 showed any activity once the deadbolts were engaged.
To go one step further and the civil attorneys for the victims take note of this.
The preliminary report states several times that Paddock was in and out of the hotel. I would want to check the lock interrogation reports for Paddock’s entire stay at the Mandalay Bay. Check to see if a guest key card, or any key for that matter, was used at any time while Paddock was away from the hotel, i.e. in Mesquite, NV and or his vehicle was gone from the parking area.
As a former criminal investigator, I would never have signed off on the preliminary report without explaining the mystery of room 32-134. Investigators are not mystery writers, there is always an answer and on this, they blew it.
The Mandalay Bay video surveillance footage that is in the possession of both the LVMPD and MGM Resorts International that is referenced in the LVMPD report as one of the sources used to reach their conclusions, should be released.
The families of the victims and the survivors deserve no less.
Police respond to Baltimore Post-Examiner’s questions on Stephen Paddock’s locked adjoining room
Author: Doug Poppa is a US Army Military Police Veteran, former law enforcement officer, criminal investigator and private sector security and investigations management professional with 40 years of experience. In 1986 Mr. Poppa was awarded “Criminal Investigator of the Year” by the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office in Virginia for his undercover work in narcotics enforcement. He was also re-assigned to the Northern Virginia Regional Narcotics Enforcement Task Force for 18 months. In 1991 and again in 1992 Mr. Poppa’s testimony under oath in court led to the discovery that exculpatory evidence was withheld from the defense by the prosecutor and sheriff’s office officials during the 1988 trial of a man accused of attempted murder of his wife that led to his conviction. As a result of his testimony the man was ordered released from prison, given a new trial in 1992 and found not guilty. Mr. Poppa became the subject of local and national news media attention as a result of his testimony which led to the demise of his 12-year police career. After losing his job, at the request of the FBI, Mr. Poppa infiltrated in an undercover capacity a group of men who were plotting the kidnapping of a Dupont Chemical fortune heir and his wife in 1992. His stories have been featured on Inside Edition, A Current Affair, and CBS News’ Street Stories with Ed Bradley. Contact the author[/QUOTE]
LAS VEGAS — The Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department’s responded Thursday to a request filed on Monday by the Baltimore Post-Examiner for an explanation of the locked adjoining room, 32-134 to gunman Stephen Paddock’s suite at the Mandalay Bay Hotel.
On January 10 the Baltimore Post-Examiner published, Neither the police or the FBI have explained the locked door in Stephen Paddock’s suite.
In that story, I referred to a Nov. 2 interview with Clark County Sheriff, Joe Lombardo who runs the LVMPD, that was being conducted by Las Vegas station KLAS-TV’s investigative reporter, George Knapp.
During that interview, Lombardo said that the door inside Paddock’s suite that led to the bedroom area that had the broken-out window that was facing the fuel tanks at the airport was locked and secured and had to be explosively breached by the entry team
last Friday the LVMPD released the preliminary investigative report on the Las Vegas massacre. For the purposes of this story, I am referring to excerpts from that report that only concern room 32-134.
Excerpts as follows
Page 7: A team of officers including a Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) Operator reached the 32nd floor via the stairwell in the 100-wing. Officers did not hear gunfire coming from room 32-135.
A second explosive breach was utilized to gain access to room 32-134 through the connecting doors. Officers cleared room 32-134 finding several rifles in the room.
The details listed below were gathered from several different sources. [Lock interrogation documents are listed as one of those sources].
Page 8: Paddock booked the connecting room (32-134) for Sept. 29 through Oct. 2. Paddock was set to check out of both rooms on Oct. 2.
Page 11: Oct. 1. At approximately 1337 hours, the room service ticket [#51592684] was closed out for room 32-134 in Danley’s name. The check totaled $67.60 and included two entrees. [Danley was in the Philippines so she could not have been in the room. Two entrees could have meant two people were in the room, however, from prior experience in the industry it would not be uncommon for one person to order two meals].
From 1423 to 1940 hours, the doors for rooms 32-134 and 32-135 were manipulated multiple times. For example, the doors were opened, closed and the deadbolt locks were engaged and disengaged several times.
At approximately 2136 hours, the deadbolt to room 32-135 was engaged.
At approximately 2146 hours, the deadbolt to room 32-134 was engaged.
Page 12: Approximately 2206 hours. Security Officer Campos began walking down the 100-wing toward Center Core. Paddock fired rounds down the hallway at Security Officer Campos. Campos was struck in the left calf with a bullet fragment. He took cover in the alcove between 32-134 and 32-122.
Page 13: Approximately 2214 hours. Engineer Schuck arrived at the Center Core of the 32nd floor and walked up to the 100-wing toward room 32-135. Engineer Schuck quickly realized it was automatic gunfire. After the gunshots stopped, Security Officer Campos yelled at Engineer Schuck to take cover.
Engineer Schuck turned and took cover in the alcove between rooms 32-119 and 32-117. Paddock fired rounds down the hallway at Engineer Schuck. He was not struck by gunfire.
Page 14: Approximately 2215 hours. Paddock fired two separate volleys of an unknown number of rounds into the Las Vegas Village area.
Approximately 2216 hours. LVMPD Officers Varsin and Hendrex along with Mandalay Bay security officers made entry into the stairwell on the 31st floor.
Approximately 2257 hours. K-9 Sergeant Bitsko and SWAT Officer Hancock manually breached the door [Fire stairwell door adjacent to Paddock’s suite] barricaded with the “L” bracket.
Page 15: Approximately 2326 hours. The Strike Team made a second explosive breach from inside of room 32-135 into 32-134 through the connecting doors.
Page 27: Below on the 31st floor, LVMPD Officers Varsin and Hendrix along with Security Managers Oelke and Umstott walked up the 100-wing when they heard gunfire coming from the 32nd floor. They moved to the stairwell at the end of the hall. As they got closer to the stairwell, the gunfire continued, and they smelled gunpowder. They entered the 100-wing stairwell and proceeded up to the door of the 32nd floor. They posted up to block any possible escape by the shooter.
Page 30: Team 2 continued through the living area to the right and encountered a closed, locked connecting door leading to the adjoining room 32-134. SWAT Officer Hancock and Officer Walford attempted to kick the door open but determined it was a solid wood door inside a metal frame. It was decided a second explosive breach was needed to gain entry into the adjoining room.
The media request to the LVMPD from the Baltimore Post-Examiner
Question: If the main entry door was dead bolted to Room 32-134, that had to be done from inside that room. Expended cartridges would be from firing inside 32-134 that had the broken window that faced McCarran International Airport. If the connecting door was closed and locked that led to Room 32-134, that had to be done from inside Room 32-134. So, if the main door to that room was dead bolted then how did Paddock get out of that room. Again, the door had to be locked from inside that room, so how did he get out? What am I missing here?
LVMPD response to the Baltimore Post-Examiner
I spoke with LVMPD spokesman Larry Hadfield via telephone. I explained again what was contained in my media request. Hadfield responded that he couldn’t provide anything that specific, that he couldn’t dissect the preliminary report, it was part of the investigation and as the sheriff said there will be a comprehensive report later. Referring to the preliminary report he said, “Take it for what it’s worth.”
The preliminary investigative report states the deadbolt to room 32-134 was engaged at 2146 hours. There is no further mention whether the lock interrogations for either room 32-134 or 32-135 showed any activity once the deadbolts were engaged.
To go one step further and the civil attorneys for the victims take note of this.
The preliminary report states several times that Paddock was in and out of the hotel. I would want to check the lock interrogation reports for Paddock’s entire stay at the Mandalay Bay. Check to see if a guest key card, or any key for that matter, was used at any time while Paddock was away from the hotel, i.e. in Mesquite, NV and or his vehicle was gone from the parking area.
As a former criminal investigator, I would never have signed off on the preliminary report without explaining the mystery of room 32-134. Investigators are not mystery writers, there is always an answer and on this, they blew it.
The Mandalay Bay video surveillance footage that is in the possession of both the LVMPD and MGM Resorts International that is referenced in the LVMPD report as one of the sources used to reach their conclusions, should be released.
The families of the victims and the survivors deserve no less.
Police respond to Baltimore Post-Examiner’s questions on Stephen Paddock’s locked adjoining room
Author: Doug Poppa is a US Army Military Police Veteran, former law enforcement officer, criminal investigator and private sector security and investigations management professional with 40 years of experience. In 1986 Mr. Poppa was awarded “Criminal Investigator of the Year” by the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office in Virginia for his undercover work in narcotics enforcement. He was also re-assigned to the Northern Virginia Regional Narcotics Enforcement Task Force for 18 months. In 1991 and again in 1992 Mr. Poppa’s testimony under oath in court led to the discovery that exculpatory evidence was withheld from the defense by the prosecutor and sheriff’s office officials during the 1988 trial of a man accused of attempted murder of his wife that led to his conviction. As a result of his testimony the man was ordered released from prison, given a new trial in 1992 and found not guilty. Mr. Poppa became the subject of local and national news media attention as a result of his testimony which led to the demise of his 12-year police career. After losing his job, at the request of the FBI, Mr. Poppa infiltrated in an undercover capacity a group of men who were plotting the kidnapping of a Dupont Chemical fortune heir and his wife in 1992. His stories have been featured on Inside Edition, A Current Affair, and CBS News’ Street Stories with Ed Bradley. Contact the author[/QUOTE]
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