subsonic
.44 mag
Larger batches, in other states.
Ammo background checks to begin mid-September?
- Thread starter Beerman
- Start date
Chicken Shoot
.45 acp
There is a TON of bad info all through this thread. Since there are some here that love to troll, I'll refrain from correcting the piss poor info. I'll just leave this here ... My wife and I are in daily contact with the the BATFE, NYSP, LawGun and our lawyers
There is a good possibility that they will NOT be able to enforce this law as their time is running out just as it did in the UNSAFE Act! Here is the latest we've heard as of 8/12/23 ................................ there are NO guidelines in place for ANY of this POC horseshit. NONE!!! There is no indication that they will be able to enforce this BS law. There's the reality as of now folks.
( For those that are wondering about LawGun ...... they are the entity that controls 7 other POC countries in this Union)
There is a good possibility that they will NOT be able to enforce this law as their time is running out just as it did in the UNSAFE Act! Here is the latest we've heard as of 8/12/23 ................................ there are NO guidelines in place for ANY of this POC horseshit. NONE!!! There is no indication that they will be able to enforce this BS law. There's the reality as of now folks.
( For those that are wondering about LawGun ...... they are the entity that controls 7 other POC countries in this Union)
Chicken Shoot
.45 acp
Already done ... it's called "Bail Reform". You're welcome.
Under Cumhole, we were able to get past the ammo thing in the original unSAFE Act due to the database not being set up (and NICS telling NY to go take a flying fuck).
Under heil hochul, I don't doubt they will start to enforce it, even if there isn't a way to do so. They will tell FFLs that they HAVE to use the SP PoC, and the SP will just hand down "deny" orders for everything. It will effectively be a complete full stop on gun and ammo purchases. They'll claim it is temporary, but I suspect not.
And I don't hold any hope for the courts. They've shown time and time again that they are just as partisan, frequently ruling against, or at least delaying for YEARS, our attempts to win our Rights back. Even SCOTUS, with its so-called "conservative majority" seems to be ignoring all the lower court rulings that contradict Bruen, Heller, MacDonald, etc.
So, while we sit here unable to exercise our 2A rights, the courts will drag their feet.
Cavalry
.338 Win Mag
Oh course he does not. He is a tech using Amish, sovereign citizen attorney
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
Isn’t 1-855-LAW-GUNS the NYS www.troopers.ny.gov and www.gunsafety.ny.gov help line? What do you mean they control “7 other POC countries”? Hey man, you pointed out the “trolling and misinformation,” so I’m just asking for clarification.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Sorry, what I was saying is they say people like us don’t vote to get us to donate to get the word out to get us to vote so we can win the next one. I think we vote and they just lie to us to get people like us to do Tate to them republicans for getting the vote out.
CaliberPlus
.45 acp
I wold like tp see what you have for info. I agree about the enforcement of this to a point. When the state has their database up FFL's will be cut off, no exceptions, from the Federal system. I got that from the ATF Agent. I know for fact there are NYSP inspections going on. Again, maybe without good guidelines but they have started.
As I posted already, I was told that the start of NY being the POC may be delayed. That came from a trooper in Albany at the Pistol Permit Division. He said letters will be mailed to FFL's starting 8/14, today.
I have not seen this state stop from enforcing unclear and illegal laws. Case in point, semi-auto rifle purchases. The endoersement procedure is not even close to the legislatoin that was passed. Yet, here we are.
Willyone
6.5 Creedmoor
Agreed. I'm no legal expert by any means. But it does appear (to me) that NYS does exactly what it wants to do regardless of Fed rulings or the 2A.
I was about to throw the BULLSHIT flag for the same.
For speaking out about a "ton of misinformation" it would seem the poster is full of himself.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
has any one asked a NYSP officer
how does in feel to be a SS Nazi
yet
how does in feel to be a SS Nazi
yet
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
You
You first. It ain’t hard to find a trooper. Let us know the reply.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
i don't speed to get pulled over to have a chat ..
but some here seem to have some buds in the force ..
ask them ..
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
I see troopers at the gas station all the time, getting coffee… you don’t need to be an uneducated idiot to make contact. It’s as easy as talking to the person in front of you buying milk at Stewart’s. I’ve asked them questions about the CCIA several times. Interestingly, they’ve always said they want NOTHING to do with the CCIA. It’s nice living in the northern part of the state where guns are tools and everyone has a bunch.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
way are you calling me.... uneducated idiot to make contact. ..
You have no idea of my education ..
and i have seen DEC officers at the gas station
and asked them questions ..
how can i clean up a spot on state land and take my popup camper there for a weekend
i got nothing ..
they just needed to unlock the fucking gate where all the pot heads show up to party
and leave the place a mess ..
thughes
.44 mag
I think it's so cool how all you guys eventually start infighting (out of frustration about living in that shithole of a state?)....nothing like "them" keeping "you" divided amongst yourselves.
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
Here's a question for you to ponder.
7 years ago as a resident of NY, I was down in Florida visiting my parents where I found a rifle I wanted. I had them ship it to my FFL in NY.
What happens now if, as a resident of Florida, I find a gun in NY I want, and I have the gun shop ship it to an FFL in Florida? I have to pay the gun shop in NY, but I'm not a resident of NY anymore, and I'd be taking possession of it in FL. How would that work? I bet it wouldn't. Sounds like a right denied.
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
I think it's so cool how all you guys eventually start infighting (out of frustration about living in that shithole of a state?)....nothing like "them" keeping "you" divided amongst yourselves.
Fancy meeting you here. It's been a while.
Slacker43
.40 S&W
It would be no different than today. FFL to FFL requires no ATF intervention. Just out of ones book and into another.Here's a question for you to ponder.
7 years ago as a resident of NY, I was down in Florida visiting my parents where I found a rifle I wanted. I had them ship it to my FFL in NY.
What happens now if, as a resident of Florida, I find a gun in NY I want, and I have the gun shop ship it to an FFL in Florida? I have to pay the gun shop in NY, but I'm not a resident of NY anymore, and I'd be taking possession of it in FL. How would that work? I bet it wouldn't. Sounds like a right denied.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
Dropped $250 here Gettysburg Trading Post on some .38, .40, and 7.62x51. Only ??? asked was “how will you be paying, sir”?
Will likely do that again before I leave. FNYS, no sales tax for you.
Will likely do that again before I leave. FNYS, no sales tax for you.
thughes
.44 mag
Howdy PoP! I'll be down your way at some point this winter to try out that new cement pond you put in.
thughes
.44 mag
BTW, looks like WHEC latched on to this mess:
www.whec.com
Love the NYSP reply, basically: "Yeah, we'll have training info up and start registering dealers sometime in the next few weeks but the deadline is still Sept. 13"
News10NBC Investigates: NYS taking over background checks for all gun and ammo purchases and charging for them
HILTON, N.Y. – We all know you have to undergo a federal background check if you want to buy a gun in New York but soon you’ll have to go through a background check every time you want to buy ammunition as well. Starting next month, you’ll have to pay for those background checks too. Michael...
www.whec.com
Love the NYSP reply, basically: "Yeah, we'll have training info up and start registering dealers sometime in the next few weeks but the deadline is still Sept. 13"
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
Admittedly it's been a few years since I last purchased a firearms, and haven't thought about how the process works out of state in a long time, but this is interesting. NYS is shutting off NY FFL's from the Feds so that it goes through the NYS Police, but I can purchase a gun from NY without going through NY's process and you can't.
This reminds me of another scenario I ran across while still a NYS resident. There was a rifle up on the wall for sale at my LGS that I wanted to buy and when they said I couldn't buy it, I asked why. They said it was because it had been registered as an assault weapon, and could only be sold to law enforcement.
This means I can shop the law enforcement wall as a Florida resident next time I visit NY.. Maybe I can find a bargain!
Pissed Off Patriot
.223 Rem
Looking forward to it!
One of my best friends is a Sargent with the SP and his Wife has a FFL: He has no answers other than what we've seen posted here...very few have speculative knowledge let alone anything concrete.
There is scuttle-butt of the Beta system for the nics checks failing, impossible to have up & running on the 13th, 'of 75 positions open in the new call center only 11 have been hired" et.al. even promise of a letter coming out 8/14/23 formally informing Dealers of the new changes; so far even the crickets are quiet.
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
No, I’m saying you don’t need to be a dumbass and get arrested in order to talk to a trooper. Anyone can do it. Even incredibly smart people.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
I've talked personally with troopers at random places. For the most part they are no different than you or I outside of work, they'll take the time to talk. Every one of them I've talked to don't like what's going on. But they need that paycheck and will roll on you while on the clock.
Slacker43
.40 S&W
You are correct that you can buy an AR from a NY FFL and have it shipped to your FFL in FL. I doubt it will be a bargain coming from this shit hole expensive state. So many FFL's think that every gun they have is worth its weight in gold. It seems to be a mentality of FFL's, at least in our area.
NY FFL's cannot be completely cut off from the ATF. They are licensed by them and ultimately answer to them as an FFL. They won't be able to access the NICS system as before but that is all. NY cannot cut the tie no matter how hard they try.
I am on an FFL in PA so I can receive a handgun through our business and deliver it to an FFL in NY to do my paperwork and transfer to me personally. It is crazy enough that a nys pistol permit holder cannot bypass this bullshit. I am a nys permit holder and I am on an FFL so I have had many microscopes shoved up my ass. I am as clean as they come.
ETA - The nys police will have copies of the bound books by the sounds of things so they will see how many guns transfer and who and where they are coming from. This may cause an even bigger issue for us all in future ny legislation. I'm not sure how any of this is legit because ATF agents weren't supposed to scan bound books unless part of an investigation. It seems like NY is breaking federal laws with this, not that they give a rats ass about that. It's not like garland is going to stop them.
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Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
From the fbi.gov website:
“
Thirteen Full POC states have agencies acting on behalf of the NICS in a Full POC capacity. These POC states have designated agencies to conduct firearm background checks for FFLs in their respective state by electronically accessing the NICS.
• Full POC states: California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Nevada, New Jersey, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Utah, and Virginia.
Five states are currently sharing responsibility with the FBI by acting as partial POCs. Partial POC states have agencies designated to conduct checks for handguns and/or handgun permits, while the FBI handles the processing of the state transactions for long gun transfers.
• Four Partial POC states conduct handgun background checks, and the FFLs contact the FBI for long gun background checks: Maryland, New Hampshire, Washington, and Wisconsin.”
Interesting to note several “free states” on those little POC lists. Very interesting.
“
Thirteen Full POC states have agencies acting on behalf of the NICS in a Full POC capacity. These POC states have designated agencies to conduct firearm background checks for FFLs in their respective state by electronically accessing the NICS.
• Full POC states: California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Nevada, New Jersey, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Utah, and Virginia.
Five states are currently sharing responsibility with the FBI by acting as partial POCs. Partial POC states have agencies designated to conduct checks for handguns and/or handgun permits, while the FBI handles the processing of the state transactions for long gun transfers.
• Four Partial POC states conduct handgun background checks, and the FFLs contact the FBI for long gun background checks: Maryland, New Hampshire, Washington, and Wisconsin.”
Interesting to note several “free states” on those little POC lists. Very interesting.
Keyzard
.45 acp
That is not necessarily a bad thing. It's the way that data is utilized that really determines the experience. I live in PA now. LTC permits take at the most 24 hours. In mine and my wife's case we were approved within 20 minutes. PICS checks are generally very fast.
In PA anyone can go into a store, pick out a handgun, and if they pass the PICS check they go home with it. The LTC is what lets you conceal carry. Nothing is listed on your permit. You can either carry, or not.