Worse for who? Us of course, they want them vague and this is by design. I’ve heard some people say this is all you need to do and it will make this rifle compliant but I don’t believe it.I'm still looking for any sort of proof there was actually any case heard about this last Friday.
@goldie
Our laws are actually worse than CA. At least CA has some clarification on what parts make an AR compliant.
I know it's meant to be vague and ambiguous. If you think about it, the whole law and the unwillingness to come out and state what's OK and what isn't is actually entrapment. Which is illegal in its own right. But so are gun registries, yet here we are in a thread about a veiled gun registry using ammo background checks as the facade.Worse for who? Us of course, they want them vague and this is by design. I’ve heard some people say this is all you need to do and it will make this rifle compliant but I don’t believe it.
Not really correct. Laws and regulations (administrative laws) proscribe things which are unlawful, or violations. They do not describe, define, or outline what falls *within* the boundaries of that law or regulation.I know it's meant to be vague and ambiguous. If you think about it, the whole law and the unwillingness to come out and state what's OK and what isn't is actually entrapment. Which is illegal in its own right. But so are gun registries, yet here we are in a thread about a veiled gun registry using ammo background checks as the facade.
I'm not incorrect. I'm just in that area where the laws are there, but a person would be hard pressed to win a case. Like the cop who sits and waits outside a bar to catch someone drinking and driving. The problem is going before a judge who would uphold the statute. Without definition, technically there can be no law broken if no law is defined. But this is NY, and cops and judges get to make up the laws as they go, or at least so it seems.Not really correct. Laws and regulations (administrative laws) proscribe things which are unlawful, or violations. They do not describe, define, or outline what falls *within* the boundaries of that law or regulation.
A case brought by the New York State Firearms Association?I'm still looking for any sort of proof there was actually any case heard about this last Friday.
@goldie
Our laws are actually worse than CA. At least CA has some clarification on what parts make an AR compliant.
From last Friday, yes.A case brought by the New York State Firearms Association?
I believe NYSFA to be a questionable organization, one that begs for money insisting they will change the Laws, take Cases to Court, and generally resolve all the anti-gun woes we're enduring, but to date they haven't accomplished jack schitt.From last Friday, yes.
I don't have much trust in any of those organizations, really. I'll donate to GOA when I have a few bucks to spare. It bothers me that people are giving up hard-earned money while most of them say call, email, or write your senators to stop this. Um, that's why people give you money, jack asses. I've always felt if I'm paying for a service, I best get that service, or I won't continue to pay. I wouldn't give a mechanic $1,000 to fix my car for him to tell me to fix it myself. Maybe it's just me to expect to get what I pay for.I believe NYSFA to be a questionable organization, one that begs for money insisting they will change the Laws, take Cases to Court, and generally resolve all the anti-gun woes we're enduring, but to date they haven't accomplished jack schitt.
I have ZERO faith or trust, and if you do some investigating I expect you too will come to the same conclusion.
They may claim to be in it for the gun owners of NY, but I expect they're only in it for the money.
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I'm in the ADK, I'll try a YouTube link later.Can't see it.....
My browser and ad blockers block any SDK from any site.I'm in the ADK, I'll try a YouTube link later.
What I find ridiculous is that he mentions how Hochul's attorney's argue that Ammo is not part of the 2nd. Even if it wasn't who gave the Government any authority to say it isn't? Are they Kings and Queens? Was it voted on? Whatever Hochul wants?? Fuck no!
The 2nd circuit just MIGHT surprise us.....probably not, but maybe.
That's from May 2024.AI Overview![]()
New York Ammo Background Check Law Upheld
The Empire State’s requirement that gun owners pass a background check for every ammunition purchase is constitutional, a federal judge has ruled.thereload.com
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The New York State Firearms Association (NYSFA) and four individuals sued to block the enforcement of New York's law on background checks for ammunition sales, but a court denied their motion for a preliminary injunction, allowing the law to remain in effect.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
- The Law:
New York's Concealed Carry Improvement Act (CCIA) of 2022, which mandates background checks for ammunition sales, was challenged by the NYSFA and four individuals.
- The Lawsuit:
The lawsuit, filed in September 2023, argued against the constitutionality of the background checks, which took effect in 2023 and required customers to pay a fee of $2.50 per transaction.
- Court Decision:
A federal judge denied a preliminary injunction against New York's ammunition background checks, finding that the plaintiffs had not shown a likelihood of success on the merits and allowing the law to remain active throughout the ongoing litigation.
- Background:
The NYSFA and other gun rights advocates argued that the background check system impedes ammunition sales with "frequent delays, outages and other malfunctions".
- State's Response:
The New York State Police (NYSP) established a statewide license and record database specific for ammunition sales to address issues with New York's 2013 requirement of background checks for ammo sales, which officials suspended due to perceived infeasibility.
- Ongoing Litigation:
The case is still ongoing, and the court's decision only allowed the law to remain in effect pending the duration of the litigation.
Ya, I included that to show that NYSFA actually did fight this in court, so they're not a complete scam outfit.That's from May 2024.
Gotcha.Ya, I included that to show that NYSFA actually did fight this in court, so they're not a complete scam outfit.