Anyone else worried about the 2020 POTUS election?

[FrankenCub]

Except none of that fantasy has happened or even been suggested. It exists only in your mind. A bump stock isn't any part of a factory weapon. It is an add on range toy. No serious person would use it as any part of a firearm setup which is designed for use as a defensive weapon, just as the 2A was created for. The founders did not create the 2A so people could try to be cool at the range. A bump stock serves no legitimate purpose as for why the 2A intended citizens to have "Arms". It was not a game. It was not a joke. It was not for recreation, just as it was not for hunting.

You think something like this isn't running through some anti's thoughts? Every time they throw new restrictions at us, enterprising people finds ways around them. Right now we're at fixed mags or goofy stocks to run around Safe. What's next? Our law makers don't give a fuck what our founders thought, or why they put the 2A in the Constitution. I don't care that the bump stocks have no legitimate purpose, I wouldnt even use one as a toy. It was banned because it increased rate of fire. Removable mags and semis increase rate of fire over a bolt gun. Banning magazines is the next logical step. They will eventually come after all semis regardless of brand or style.

 

[Chevusa]

You think something like this isn't running through some anti's thoughts? Every time they throw new restrictions at us, enterprising people finds ways around them. Right now we're at fixed mags or goofy stocks to run around Safe. What's next? Our law makers don't give a fuck what our founders thought, or why they put the 2A in the Constitution. I don't care that the bump stocks have no legitimate purpose, I wouldnt even use one as a toy. It was banned because it increased rate of fire. Removable mags and semis increase rate of fire over a bolt gun. Banning magazines is the next logical step. They will eventually come after all semis regardless of brand or style.

SAFE has noting to do with the Feds or Trump. I understand your concern, but it is out of place here. I pick the guy not taking my guns over the one on record stating he is coming for them every time.

 

[FrankenCub]

SAFE has noting to do with the Feds or Trump. I understand your concern, but it is out of place here. I pick the guy not taking my guns over the one on record stating he is coming for them every time.

The fed AW ban just may return. Scumbags will continue to shoot up places and even more pressure will be put on law makers to "do something". The 2A is one area I do not trust Trump on, yet I still will vote for him again. He could have very well used bump stocks as a bargaining chip towards reseprocity. Doesn't really matter anyway because our vote in NY will always go blue.

 

[Chevusa]

The fed AW ban just may return. Scumbags will continue to shoot up places and even more pressure will be put on law makers to "do something". The 2A is one area I do not trust Trump on, yet I still will vote for him again. He could have very well used bump stocks as a bargaining chip towards reseprocity. Doesn't really matter anyway because our vote in NY will always go blue.

All I know is if he is re-elected he is free to do what he wants and fuck some people up. Let's take back our country. The alternative is a total disaster. Even if you hate Trump personally, you have to see he is the only thing standing in the way.

 

[FrankenCub]

All I know is if he is re-elected he is free to do what he wants and fuck some people up. Let's take back our country. The alternative is a total disaster. Even if you hate Trump personally, you have to see he is the only thing standing in the way.

Absolutely! I like him on everything, other than the 2A. Even his rants on Twitter and deliberate pissing off the left, love it.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Except none of that fantasy has happened or even been suggested. It exists only in your mind. A bump stock isn't any part of a factory weapon. It is an add on range toy. No serious person would use it as any part of a firearm setup which is designed for use as a defensive weapon, just as the 2A was created for. The founders did not create the 2A so people could try to be cool at the range. A bump stock serves no legitimate purpose as for why the 2A intended citizens to have "Arms". It was not a game. It was not a joke. It was not for recreation, just as it was not for hunting.

Do you know what suppression is? I’m assuming not since you’ve never ran assault drills. Google it. For the most part, a bump stock is a range toy. But in absence of a fully automatic weapon, a bump stock can serve a suppression role in a pinch. Especially if mounted on a bipod or tripod. Are you saying that it cannot?

Your ego will not let you see logic. Now assuming a bump stock doesn’t turn a rifle into one that can serve another role like a makeshift suppression rifle according to you, are you okay with the banning of other accessories? Because you totally ignored the points on the scope, the grip, the magazine, etc.

That’s what you do. You ignore points and respond with the haha emoji when cornered.

Now answer the question. Be a man. No haha’s. Do you think George Washington would be OK with the taking away of scopes from the citizenry to reduce their capabilities on the battlefield?

 

[Chevusa]

Do you know what suppression is? I’m assuming not since you’ve never ran assault drills. Google it. For the most part, a bump stock is a range toy. But in absence of a fully automatic weapon, a bump stock can serve a suppression role in a pinch. Especially if mounted on a bipod or tripod. Are you saying that it cannot?

Your ego will not let you see logic. Now assuming a bump stock doesn’t turn a rifle into one that can serve another role like a makeshift suppression rifle according to you, are you okay with the banning of other accessories? Because you totally ignored the points on the scope, the grip, the magazine, etc.

That’s what you do. You ignore points and respond with the haha emoji when cornered.

Now answer the question. Be a man. No haha’s. Do you think George Washington would be OK with the taking away of scopes from the citizenry to reduce their capabilities on the battlefield?

Scopes have noting to do with any part of the discussion. You are making up random things to try to sensationalize this. The very point is the bump stock toy made the guns function the same as the weapons the law prohibited. That is the only point. Change the law if you are concerned. Panicing over a useless glued on range toy is not the thing to make a stand on. How ridiculous. "You can ban the weapon but not the plastic toy that makes me feel like I have the weapon!!" LOL.

Bottom line: "hell yes we're coming for them and taking them" vs. you can't glue that dumb plastic shit on your rifle anymore guys. Pick one. Those are your only options.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Scopes have noting to do with any part of the discussion. You are making up random things to try to sensationalize this. The very point is the bump stock toy made the guns function the same as the weapons the law prohibited. That is the only point. Change the law if you are concerned. Panicing over a useless glued on range toy is not the thing to make a stand on. How ridiculous. "You can ban the weapon but not the plastic toy that makes me feel like I have the weapon!!" LOL.

Bottom line: "hell yes we're coming for them and taking them" vs. you can't glue that dumb plastic shit on your rifle anymore guys. Pick one. Those are your only options.

Scopes are accessories. They aren’t integral to a rifle same as a bump stock isn’t. As usual, defection from you. You didn’t answer the question.

 

[Chevusa]

Scopes are accessories. They aren’t integral to a rifle same as a bump stock isn’t. As usual, defection from you. You didn’t answer the question.

There is no law banning the use of scopes or anything remotely similar, therefore a pointless argument. It holds no water. But..but...but...

 

[Marine Cpl]

There is no law banning the use of scopes or anything remotely similar, therefore a pointless argument. It holds no water. But..but...but...

As usual. You don’t see the correlation? You don’t see that the same can happen in the future after the next 5 sniper rifle mass shootings with high powered scopes? If not than...

I know you do. But ego is a bitch. You’ve been owned. Go to sleep now. Good night.

 

[Chevusa]

As usual. You don’t see the correlation? You don’t see that the same can happen in the future after the next 5 sniper rifle mass shootings with high powered scopes? If not than...

I know you do. But ego is a bitch. You’ve been owned. Go to sleep now. Good night.

Unless you are King of America, there will have to be compromises. To stomp your feet and declare online that you and you alone have all of the answers is comical. Creating circumstances that have not happened except for in your mind has no relevance in a serious conversation. What if the sun doesn't come up tomorrow? There are no automatics. If a rifle with a scope is used to kill, the scope will not have increased the rate of fire to match that of an already banned weapon. Now if scopes were banned, and you attached binoculars to the rifle, then that may be made illegal to do as you are directly circumventing law. Your example doesn't exist and does not violate the existing laws. Can't sit here and play the "but, but, but" and "well what if" games all night. One law exists in fact and the other only in your mind.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Owned.

 

[spat]

One is an actual "Arm". The other is a plastic toy that is taped, glued or screwed onto an "Arm". A plastic bump stock is not capable of firing rounds and was not designed, manufactured, or sold to be a firearm. The 2A has as much to do with bump stocks as the 1A has to do with nachos.

It say "arms" not firearms.

Just because they are shitty work arounds for ridiculous laws does not mean they are not "arms".

The entire argument in favor of banning them was that they made the guns they are attached to more deadly. So either they are "arms" or the law banning them had no point.

 

[spat]

It's not the best and brightest you're getting a lot of the time. It's the desperate in a lot of situations, who fake it till they make it -- if they even make it.

Not all the time, but a lot of the time.

They're still better than the bottom 50% we've got here.

I'd trade 100 BLM Harvard graduates for 1 Indian guy learning how to configure a router as he goes.

 

[masterswimmer]

Hey @GOPerfect hot air balloons, they've got less hot air than this thread!

 

[Phauxtoe]

Not worried about trump winning With real votes but I’m concerned with Democrats cheating and Trump losing

 

[Criticalt]

NY goes for the Democrat, no matter what happens.

Satan could appear in times Square and resurrects the rotting corpses of Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong.

CNN and MSNBC would rave about how progressive they are.

NY's electoral votes would go for the Stalin/Zedong ticket.



That's how bad it is.

Hey, at least these guys would not allow riots. Im pretty sure id vote for them.
Stalin- Zedong 2020!!

 

[Podmonkey]

*in best Forrest Gump voice* BECAUSE I'M AN INEXPERIENCED SCHLUB, DRILL SERGEANT!!!

Edit: so nobody gets bothered, I'm referring to me here.

No, I got it. Excepting of course that Gump was a "Goddamned genius" and lightning fast with rifle assembly/disassembly.

 

[Chevusa]

It say "arms" not firearms.

Just because they are shitty work arounds for ridiculous laws does not mean they are not "arms".

The entire argument in favor of banning them was that they made the guns they are attached to more deadly. So either they are "arms" or the law banning them had no point.

Arms: noun
1.
weapons and ammunition; armaments.

By your argument accessories should require background checks. Want a sling or flashlight? Fill out this form sir. The sling is as much of an “Arm” as an “Arm” itself.

 

[ManrisFrack]

I agree with your previous post, but part ways here.

I'd still vote Jo (at this point) in a swing state.

It's a misconception that side A or B is entitled to your vote. The person that EARNS it gets it.

First step to earning it... have an actual chance to win. Of course that's my prerogative. Feel free make your choice according to astrological charts or any other metric or process that floats your boat.

That's one of the interesting features about Weinstein's concept (now using the name Unity 2020). There is an anti-spoiler tripwire where they drop out at a certain point if not leading the polls. I have a lot of doubts about Unity 2020 but at least it's something different.

Trump is the lesser of two evils but he definitely isn't, and can never be, the leader this country needs right now.

 

[BDinPutnam]

You missed where Beto, who stood on tables and literally said he’s coming to your door and you’re gonna hand them over, is who Joe has stated, on video, that he is putting in charge of gun policy. To argue that one is not worse than the other is absurd.

And you missed that he said "Jo", not "Joe."

 

[BDinPutnam]

All I know is if he is re-elected he is free to do what he wants and fuck some people up. Let's take back our country. The alternative is a total disaster. Even if you hate Trump personally, you have to see he is the only thing standing in the way.

He was pretty free to do what he wanted when his party controlled the White House and entire congress for two years.

What did we get?

A tax bill that could have been written by any Republican.

 

[Chevusa]

He was pretty free to do what he wanted when his party controlled the White House and entire congress for two years.

What did we get?

A tax bill that could have been written by any Republican.

That’s not really how it works. You’ve still gotta play the game to get re-elected. In the 2nd term you are free to operate as you wish. Especially him who will not stick around politics for the rest of his life.

Oh. You missed a few things.

http://lc.org/PDFs/Trump.Accomplishments.FINAL.pdf

 

[Robin]

One thing I have noted. With the democrat mouthpiece, big media, touting Joes huge lead in the poll's, massive fundraising, and a shit ton of other Pro-jo pandering crap, when even the most unobservant fool would have to admit, Joey is on the cusp of senile dementia if not something worse, the only conclusion I can come to is that they are very confidant the their fix is in, not only for Joes' handlers, but the Senate and house as well.
God help us! Think what our world will be with them in charge, unabated.
Robin

 

[Robin]

Oh, and he didn't have the congress. Ryan did everything possible to undermine all of his efforts.
Robin

 

[spat]

Arms: noun
1.
weapons and ammunition; armaments.

By your argument accessories should require background checks. Want a sling or flashlight? Fill out this form sir. The sling is as much of an “Arm” as an “Arm” itself.

Background checks for arms is a direct violation of the 2A.

Are you saying a knife *isn't* "arms" ?

And a flashlight designed to attach to a rifle *would* be "arms".

Arms means weapons. i.e. tools designed or intended to increase the utility of a man in combat.

 

[spat]

He was pretty free to do what he wanted when his party controlled the White House and entire congress for two years.

What did we get?

A tax bill that could have been written by any Republican.

Well, once you stop thinking of it as Republicans and Democrats and start thinking of it as swamp denizens and patriots, you will realize that the swamp denizens have had a supermajority in both houses for a long time.

Many of the Republicans in congress have more in common with Pelosi than Trump.

 

[Chevusa]

Background checks for arms is a direct violation of the 2A.

Listen bud, that ship sailed long ago on a one way trip. Why get all worked up over it and try to debate it? It is what it is. I would have no problem with a "if you're not in prison you can have a gun" system, but Niagara Falls will flow backwards before that happens.

I'm not saying Trump is perfect, but you only have a (meaningful) choice between 2 people. One banned a plastic range toy to make the other side feel like they won something. The other wants to go door to door and collect your firearms. If you can't differentiate between the two, you just aren't being honest.

Let's worry about things we can change or effect the outcome of. Not a law passed in 1938 that is never going away.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Listen bud, that ship sailed long ago on a one way trip. Why get all worked up over it and try to debate it? It is what it is. I would have no problem with a "if you're not in prison you can have a gun" system, but Niagara Falls will flow backwards before that happens.

I'm not saying Trump is perfect, but you only have a (meaningful) choice between 2 people. One banned a plastic range toy to make the other side feel like they won something. The other wants to go door to door and collect your firearms. If you can't differentiate between the two, you just aren't being honest.

Let's worry about things we can change or effect the outcome of. Not a law passed in 1938 that is never going away.

No one is saying that things will go back to normal. Hell, no one even thinks that they may go back to normal. We are just telling you that you are wrong in saying that an accessory that goes on an arm is not protected. Unless of course you think that George Washington would be for the infringements of accessories on his musket like bayonets or sights.

 

[Blimey]

One thing I have noted. With the democrat mouthpiece, big media, touting Joes huge lead in the poll's, massive fundraising, and a shit ton of other Pro-jo pandering crap, when even the most unobservant fool would have to admit, Joey is on the cusp of senile dementia if not something worse, the only conclusion I can come to is that they are very confidant the their fix is in, not only for Joes' handlers, but the Senate and house as well.
God help us! Think what our world will be with them in charge, unabated.
Robin

Joe may be senile, but he has the support of all 1000 senators, including the 200% of that figure who are black.