AR Pistol Permit Q's.

[GUNSICK]

And then you go to trial if they think it has the ability to accept.

And then?

 

[twax100]

And then?

The case gets tossed because it was all bullshit to begin with then everyone in NY builds AR pistols. End of story.

 

[Marine Cpl]

And then?

And then if I'm in the jury I'm gonna give you the "I told you so" smirk. So buy me some 9mm ammo now as prepayment so that I can wrongly convince my peers on the jury who know nothing about guns that your rifle doesn't have the ability to accept.

 

[Uzi]

You are welcome. For the record, if I ever decided to build a fixed magazine, I'd deliberately play ignorant too on what ability means.

No worries dude, You're already off to a good start with that.

 

[Marine Cpl]

No worries dude, You're already off to a good start with that.

Look at this law.

30515.
(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:

Yada yada yada. Pistol grips and other nonsense.

(b) For purposes of this section, “fixed magazine” means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.

Ours just says

(a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics:

It makes no mention of tools to remove it in regards to not having the ability to accept. So if it has the ability to accept a detachable magazine whether by removing the detachable magazine via a button or a tool , it will accept another detachable magazine. If it does that, than it isn't legal according to the law as written.

But you don't like that because it doesn't serve your purposes. It's all good. I don't care either way. I'm not going to arrest you or vote to convict you. I'd still vote not guilty if I was in the jury.

 

[Uzi]

Look at this law.

30515.
(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:

Yada yada yada. Pistol grips and other nonsense.

(b) For purposes of this section, “fixed magazine” means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.

Ours just says

(a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics:

It makes no mention of tools to remove it in regards to not having the ability to accept. So if it has the ability to accept a detachable magazine whether by removing the detachable magazine via a button or a tool , it will accept another detachable magazine. If it does that, than it isn't legal according to the law as written.

But you don't like that because it doesn't serve your purposes. It's all good. I don't care either way. I'm not going to arrest you or vote to convict you. I'd still vote not guilty if I was in the jury.

Instead of telling me what isn't included in the law, let's focus on what the actual law does say. The above highlighted quote from you is a good example of something that's just irrelavant and not an important factor at all to be honest.

It doesn't matter how redundant or persistent you are explaining your version of interpretation of the whole thing. What is most important is what the law states. You see, I don't have to make up an interpretation myself. The fact of the matter is the lack of permanency in any definition of the law. If you pressed in a locked fixed rifle or pistol, you're going to find no magazine will come out, no button exists, nothing changes, no matter how many times you try to press it, no magazine will detach for any other to lock in its place; it therefore lacks the ability while in that configuration to accept detachable magazines. It's really that simple.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Instead of telling me what isn't included in the law, let's focus on what the actual law does say. The above highlighted quote from you is a good example of something that's just irrelavant and not an important factor at all to be honest.

It doesn't matter how redundant or persistent you are explaining your version of interpretation of the whole thing. What is most important is what the law states. You see, I don't have to make up an interpretation myself. The fact of the matter is the lack of permanency in any definition of the law. If you pressed in a locked fixed rifle or pistol, you're going to find no magazine will come out, no button exists, nothing changes, no matter how many times you try to press it, no magazine will detach for any other to lock in its place; it therefore lacks the ability while in that configuration to accept detachable magazines. It's really that simple.

Correct. Let's focus on what the law says just like you said. If you can do that, you'll see that it does not say"ability to accept" in its current configuration.

 

[Acer-m14]

i have gotten so lost now .. is this thread on AR pistol ?? i think it is .... what semi pistol has has a maglock or fixed mag .. its a dam pistol ..

for sale .. Glock 19 maglocks for NY compliant .. .. 20 bucks , can even do 1911 and hipoints and S&W's

 

[Uzi]

Correct. Let's focus on what the law says just like you said. If you can do that, you'll see that it does not say"ability to accept" in its current configuration.

"(a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine"

That was taken from your own post....

 

[Marine Cpl]

"(a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine"

That was taken from your own post....

Thank you. A fixed mag still has that ability. Thanks for finally admitting that by quoting the law.

 

[Sixbennetts]

Seems to be the chicken and the egg. It doesn't have the ability to accept a mag if there's already one fixed in place, blocking it.

With nothing in the law about how permanent it's fixed, as long as you always keep a mag there, it can never accept a mag.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Seems to be the chicken and the egg. It doesn't have the ability to accept a mag if there's already one fixed in place, blocking it.

With nothing in the law about how permanent it's fixed, as long as you always keep a mag there, it can never accept a mag.

So I can keep a standard magazine release and just keep the magazine in there and it will not have the ability to accept another one? Or how about I make it where the standard magazine catch is small that you need a bullet tip to release it. It's the same thing.

See my point? Of course the law makes no mention of permanence but it has to be in order to not have the ability to accept another one.