AR15 Lower dismantaling

[TMC]

alistair I apology your post has been hijacked by this nonsense. please update when you find out cause I give up

 

[ArmedCorgi]

You can quote ATF all day he is not sending a firearm he is sending a lower receiver that is a component of a weapon classified as an assault weapon covered under NY SAFE ACT which superceeds AFT as the safe act is state law .ATF says you can own nfa items if you follow their rules NY state says no ....WHY ? NY STATE law out weighs ATF Why not just lets call a draw and wait for alister to update you say your right I say I am it's just going to stay that way and if we continue one of us is going to look like a real asshole when proven wrong the longer this goes

A lower receiver is just that, a RECEIVER. Yes, assault weapons are illegal in NY but an AR lower receiver is not an assault weapon until you give it the features that classify it as one under state law. Even then, there is nothing in state law that prohibits you from mailing your firearm to an FFL or manufacturer for repair or replacement. If you can post up the text of NYS law that prohibits someone from sending their gun to an FFL or manufacturer that would be helpful. Until then you are just telling us what you think and not giving us the law that backs up your claims.

As far as Anderson's return policy, it is just their policy and not federal or state law. Anderson could very well make it so that you had to send and receive through an FFL, but that would just be their company policy and not actual federal or state law.
In the case of a handgun, however, in NY you would have to at least go through the whole amendment process to update your permit with the new serial number so you'd have to go through an FFL because you could not take possession of the new handgun until your permit was updated. Whether or not you'd have to do another 4473 in that circumstance, I am unsure. That is only here in NY though. In any other state that doesn't have the crazy permit system we have, a replacement handgun could be returned directly to you the same as a longgun.

You are allowed to send your gun in for repair. If the manufacturer deems it necessary to replace the gun because it cannot be fixed, they are allowed by law to send you a replacement for the gun you have already gone through a NICS to get. I cannot say for sure, but I would imagine that a manufacturer would have to keep records of the serial numbers and in the case of replacing a gun, they would have to log that somewhere as well.

 

[alistair]

alistair I apology your post has been hijacked by this nonsense. please update when you find out cause I give up

No problem, I'm enjoying the debate.

 

[Mosinitis]

If you can get documents that allow you to buy and use something you have received permission to own it you aint renting a suppressor you own it NY STATE says we sa you can't own it or posses it.

You can't get the documents.

 

[TMC]

FROM THE ATF

Does the possessor of an NFA firearm have to show proof of registration?Yes. The approved application received from ATF serves as evidence of registration of the NFA firearm. This document must be made available upon request of any ATF officer. It is suggested that a photocopy of the approved application be carried by the possessor when the weapon is being transported.[26 U.S.C. 5841(e); 27 CFR 478.101]
1: possesson
2: evidence of registration which gives permission to possess.
3: approved application serves as registration

THE DAM DOCUMENTS!!!

National Firearms Act (NFA) | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Answers to some common questions related to what is the Nation Firearms Act (NFA) including the definition, clarification and application of the Act, as well as which form(s) to use in order to apply for a tax stamp.

www.atf.gov

A lower receiver is just that, a RECEIVER. Yes, assault weapons are illegal in NY but an AR lower receiver is not an assault weapon until you give it the features that classify it as one under state law. Even then, there is nothing in state law that prohibits you from mailing your firearm to an FFL or manufacturer for repair or replacement. If you can post up the text of NYS law that prohibits someone from sending their gun to an FFL or manufacturer that would be helpful. Until then you are just telling us what you think and not giving us the law that backs up your claims.

As far as Anderson's return policy, it is just their policy and not federal or state law. Anderson could very well make it so that you had to send and receive through an FFL, but that would just be their company policy and not actual federal or state law.
In the case of a handgun, however, in NY you would have to at least go through the whole amendment process to update your permit with the new serial number so you'd have to go through an FFL because you could not take possession of the new handgun until your permit was updated. Whether or not you'd have to do another 4473 in that circumstance, I am unsure. That is only here in NY though. In any other state that doesn't have the crazy permit system we have, a replacement handgun could be returned directly to you the same as a longgun.

You are allowed to send your gun in for repair. If the manufacturer deems it necessary to replace the gun because it cannot be fixed, they are allowed by law to send you a replacement for the gun you have already gone through a NICS to get. I cannot say for sure, but I would imagine that a manufacturer would have to keep records of the serial numbers and in the case of replacing a gun, they would have to log that somewhere as well.

1 We are in NY STATE If you can show any site that will ship a lower directly to you and not a FFL PROVE IT
2 We are in NY STATE does not apply
3 Yes you can send your rifle back to the factory but you get the same one back , if you get a brand new one you need to fill the 4473 out for that new rifle A NICS CHECK INCLUDED IT IS PART OF THE FORM

ATF Form 4473 - Firearms Transaction Record Revisions | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

View the Updated ATF Form 4473 - Firearms Transaction Record (August 2023 Revisions) Notice Regarding Previous Changes to the ATF Form 4473 Due to new statutory requirements set forth in both the NICS Denial Notification Act and the Bipartisan Safer Community Act (BSCA), and to reflect the...

www.atf.gov

 

[ArmedCorgi]

3 Yes you can send your rifle back to the factory but you get the same one back , if you get a brand new one you need to fill the 4473 out for that new rifle A NICS CHECK INCLUDED IT IS PART OF THE FORM

No. The ATF in plain english says repair or replacement. What about replacement don't you understand? A 4473 is for new purchases, not for transactions between you and the manufacturer where the manufacturer might decide to send you a replacement.

§478.124 Firearms transaction record.

(a) A licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer shall not sell or otherwise dispose, temporarily or permanently, of any firearm to any person, other than another licensee, unless the licensee records the transaction on a firearms transaction record, Form 4473: Provided, That a firearms transaction record, Form 4473, shall not be required to record the disposition made of a firearm delivered to a licensee for the sole purpose of repair or customizing when such firearm or a replacement firearm is returned to the person from whom received.

 

[Mosinitis]

ATF will not approve NFA transfer into NY state.

 

[TMC]

No. The ATF in plain english says repair or replacement. What about replacement don't you understand? A 4473 is for new purchases, not for transactions between you and the manufacturer where the manufacturer might decide to send you a replacement.

§478.124 Firearms transaction record.

(a) , unless the A licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer shall not sell or otherwise dispose, temporarily or permanently, of any firearm to any person, other than another licenseelicensee records the transaction on a firearms transaction record, Form 4473: Provided, That a firearms transaction record, Form 4473, shall not be required to record the disposition made of a firearm delivered to a licensee for the sole purpose of repair or customizing when such firearm or a replacement firearm is returned to the person from whom received.

I read Anderson to FFL TO ALISTAIR BUT You win your all right I'm wrong Let alistair have his post back when he gets the new lower we will know what and who is right

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I read Anderson to FFL TO ALISTAIR BUT You win your all right I'm wrong Let alistair have his post back when he gets the new lower we will know what and who is right

Anderson doesn't make the law, guy. Anderson can make whatever policy they want when it comes to customer service. That doesn't make it the law.

 

[Catskillkid]

Not to add to the chaos, but a few years back I was having a problem with m Mini 14 and sent it back to Ruger. They wound up sending me a brand new rifle (new serial number) and I had to do a background check at my FFL before I could take possession of it. Maybe that's not what was supposed to have happened but it is what happened.

 

[Podmonkey]

Once again we have run afoul of the argument between what the law allows/requires and what FFLs are actually willing to do. Regardless of the letter of the law, in cases in which a new serial # is involved I expect most FFLs will want to run a background check. On the other hand if no new serial # is involved I would imagine no background check will be done.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Once again we have run afoul of the argument between what the law allows/requires and what FFLs are actually willing to do. Regardless of the letter of the law, in cases in which a new serial # is involved I expect most FFLs will want to run a background check. On the other hand if no new serial # is involved I would imagine no background check will be done.

Which is why you shouldn't go through an FFL to get your gun repaired. Mail it out to the manufacturer your damn self. It's legal, the USPS has instructions on how to do it. You can deal directly with the manufacturer and they can deal directly with you if they choose. @Eddie Gunks ?

 

[Acer-m14]

just wondering why all the hassle for a defected lower what .. 40 bucks and a nics check ..

Anderson Manufacturing AR-15 Stripped Lower Receiver

DetailsThe Anderson Manufacturing AR-15 stripped lower receiver offers superior quality for your next AR budget build at an affordable price. These MIL-SPEC semi-auto lowers are machined from high-strength 7075-T6 forged aluminum with a type III black hardcoat anodized finish for durability...

www.primaryarms.com

 

[Podmonkey]

Which is why you shouldn't go through an FFL to get your gun repaired. Mail it out to the manufacturer your damn self. It's legal, the USPS has instructions on how to do it. You can deal directly with the manufacturer and they can deal directly with you if they choose. @Eddie Gunks ?

Can you provide a link to the USPS instructions for shipping firearms? In the area I live in there are no outlets within 45 miles that will accept firearms from private individuals except for FFLs. The local UPS drop off points all flatly refuse to ship out firearms.

 

[Calculon]

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[ArmedCorgi]

Can you provide a link to the USPS instructions for shipping firearms? In the area I live in there are no outlets within 45 miles that will accept firearms from private individuals except for FFLs. The local UPS drop off points all flatly refuse to ship out firearms.

May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another state. A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of their own state or to a licensee in any state. The U.S. Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any...

www.atf.gov

From that link: "A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. The Postal Service recommends that long guns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun.

[18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A); 27 CFR 478.31]"

From USPS: Policies, Procedures, and Forms Updates

From the link above section 12.2 Rifles and Shotguns, subsection C: " c. Rifles and shotguns may be mailed by a non-FFL owner domestically to a FFL dealer, manufacturer, or importer in any state. USPS recommends these items be mailed using those services described in 12.2a."
Here is 12.2 A: " a. Subject to state, territory, or district regulations, rifles and shotguns may be mailed without restriction when sent within the same state of mailing. These items must bear a “Return Service Requested” endorsement, and must be sent by Express Mail (“signature required” must be used at delivery) or Registered Mail, or must include either insured mail service (for more than $200) requiring a signature at delivery."

 

[Mosinitis]

Very few people know this, but handguns can also be shipped through USPS by FFL's who need to file a special form with their post office.

 

[repete]

Not to add to the chaos, but a few years back I was having a problem with m Mini 14 and sent it back to Ruger. They wound up sending me a brand new rifle (new serial number) and I had to do a background check at my FFL before I could take possession of it. Maybe that's not what was supposed to have happened but it is what happened.

In the above situation I believe Hi-Point will pull an un-numbered receiver off the line and number it with your old SN and then send it straight back to you, part of their life time warranty. Maybe Anderson will do the same?

 

[Edwardteach72]

You can quote ATF all day he is not sending a firearm he is sending a lower receiver that is a component of a weapon classified as an assault weapon covered under NY SAFE ACT which superceeds AFT as the safe act is state law .ATF says you can own nfa items if you follow their rules NY state says no ....WHY ? NY STATE law out weighs ATF Why not just lets call a draw and wait for alister to update you say your right I say I am it's just going to stay that way and if we continue one of us is going to look like a real asshole when proven wrong the longer this goes

Hahaha wrogn

 

[Edwardteach72]

Lmao trying to say that a lower is a "component of a weapon........" nope sorry bud a lower is a firearm (well tech it is an "other" until the owner assembles it)