ar15 pistol.. I want one...I got one!!!! pics in original post
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Then yes the PSA stuff will work. I suggest the SB tactical braces
Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
does it come with one of the things that go up?
Careful, those are dangerous.
Palmetto has great deals.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
I disagree. If we're talking self defence against humans any 556 load will be effective at just about any length barrel. Even ball. You could argue how effective one loading to another is but to say that certain rounds are useless for anything other than plinking is ridiculous. If you think this then you may as well not carry handguns either. Mek is a target shooter(long range it sounds like). So any rifle that isn't full length with some type of magnifying optic is probably useless to him. That's what makes these debates about barrel length, velocities and sound even more of a waste of time considering that 99% of people here are shooting at MAYBE 100 yards max. There is no barrel length that won't be able to reach that. Loud? Well we wear earpro. That's my rant. Thanks.
ETA: get one of these, have fun and don't worry about what anyone else thinks
PSA 10.5" 5.56 NATO 1/7" Phosphate Classic Shockwave Pistol Kit, Black - 5165449130
Barrel: Phosphate finished chrome-moly barrel. Chambered in 5.56 NATO, with a 1:7 twist, M4 barrel extension, and a carbine-length gas system. Barrel is is finished off with a classic black carbine-le
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Yes, I wouldn't want to be shot with m193 from an sbr, but fact is coming from my 10.5" barrel it's not going to perform reliably and fragment as intended. 2600 fps is minimum speed for fragmentation (2700 more reliable) and I only get ballpark 2600 at the muzzle. There certainly are better loads for short barrels.I disagree. If we're talking self defence against humans any 556 load will be effective at just about any length barrel. Even ball. You could argue how effective one loading to another is but to say that certain rounds are useless for anything other than plinking is ridiculous. If you think this then you may as well not carry handguns either. Mek is a target shooter(long range it sounds like). So any rifle that isn't full length with some type of magnifying optic is probably useless to him. That's what makes these debates about barrel length, velocities and sound even more of a waste of time considering that 99% of people here are shooting at MAYBE 100 yards max. There is no barrel length that won't be able to reach that. Loud? Well we wear earpro. That's my rant. Thanks.
ETA: get one of these, have fun and don't worry about what anyone else thinks
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PSA 10.5" 5.56 NATO 1/7" Phosphate Classic Shockwave Pistol Kit, Black - 5165449130
Barrel: Phosphate finished chrome-moly barrel. Chambered in 5.56 NATO, with a 1:7 twist, M4 barrel extension, and a carbine-length gas system. Barrel is is finished off with a classic black carbine-le
That's when you bump up to SS109
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
What is your idea of reliable? Or in other words what is your criteria for something to have "worked"? A 55gr ball round at even 2500 fps is going to do massive damage to a human. If the first shot isn't enough there is that thing called followup shots. Even though a 45ACP is barely fast enough to leave the muzzle of the barrel (according to @Marine Cpl) it's still effective. Alot of this is marketing.
so far this is the kit i'm looking at
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PSA 10.5" Carbine-Length 5.56 NATO 1/7 Nitride 12" Slant M-Lok MOE EPT SBA3 Pistol Kit with MBUS Sight Set & Romeo 5
Barrel: 10.5" 4150V Chrome Moly vanadium steel, nitride treated for durability and chambered in 5.56 NATO with a 1 in 7" twist. Carbine length gas barrel is finished off with a PSA 12"
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It only makes you dead. Not deader like it’s required nowadays according to some here. Those same people have no issues using a 55 gr at 150 yards when it slows down to that velocity of 2500 FPS. More so if it’s a 77 gr going at 2300 FPS at 150 yards.
Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
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You have a lower on your PP yet?so far this is the kit i'm looking at
PSA 10.5" Carbine-Length 5.56 NATO 1/7 Nitride 12" Slant M-Lok MOE EPT SBA3 Pistol Kit with MBUS Sight Set & Romeo 5
Barrel: 10.5" 4150V Chrome Moly vanadium steel, nitride treated for durability and chambered in 5.56 NATO with a 1 in 7" twist. Carbine length gas barrel is finished off with a PSA 12"
Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
I kinda want one but seems more pain than its worth.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Dead now is deader than dead in 5 minutes. In a self defense situation incapacitated now is better than dead in 5 minutes even if they eventually survive.
Just about anything can be effective. If someone is breaking into my house I'll grab my G26 before my 10/22, and the 10/22 before I grab a kitchen knife, and I'll take the knife before I'll engage bare handed, and I can disable or kill someone with any of those.
I have an AR pistol with a 7.5" barrel. I knew the ballistics of it were going to be crap before I made it. I wanted it anyway.
Still, it's better than the LCPII I carry all the time.
It would not be what I grab in a home defense situation, and I seldom hunt. But it is fun to shoot.
So, identify what purpose you intend to fulfill with the gun, then choose your parameters around that.
I had an 8" with a brake. The concussion and muzzle blast were incredible. I sold it soon after. What are you using for a muzzle device?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I understand your logic. Sure a .40 is better than a .22 lr. But the difference between one .223 bullet of the same weight going 2500 FPS compared to the same bullet going 3000 FPS at the same distance in the same spot on a chest is negligible. You can’t compare how far apart they are and say that it’s just the same distance apart as far as power goes as it would be with a 22 lr and a .223.
Proof of this comes from entry teams with 10.5 inch barrels making immediate kills at CQB distances. None are regretting their decisions and wishing they had 20 inch barrels to make their targets more dead faster because the bullet is going 500 FPS faster.
At a certain point, the bullets are just as deadly since both rounds fall between the same parameters that are required to kill you. Whether it’s a .55 gr or .62, the extra velocity of the .55 isn’t going to kill you faster than the slower .62 at 15 yards.
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spat
.700 Nitro Express
You are right of course, we have all these discussions about which caliber is best and so forth, and we are discussing the top few % of actual performance.
It's kinda like discussing who's the fastest in the Olympic 100 meter dash. Sure, one guy wins, but even the guy in last place is wicked fast.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
To be honest, whatever came on the PSA upper I got, since I had to fix the magazine to make it legal anyway I never gave it another thought.
Welcome to the club! Looks like the same upper as mine. I really like the slant handguard they use. I also swapped out the trigger for a 3.5# timney.. only other thing I may change is a switch to a 12.5 barrel down the road since it's a 12" handguard anyways..
Also to let you know, I bought my psa upper used very cheap. I suspect he may have had issues with it. I did find the gas block was loose, so I dimpled the barrel and re tightened. Might be something you want to check, or keep an eye on.
Also from what I have read, it seems most of the psa pistol uppers are over gassed, so I also installed an h2 buffer. Hopefully I will get it out soon to test fire and zero. Seems I never have the time anymore.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
The above is my 300BLK 10.5 inch barrel. No problems to report. I think you'll be happy with your pistol.
We will need pictures of final assembly Wednesday night.