Becoming a certified NRA instructor

[schadenboner]

I have been thinking of becoming a certified NRA instructor and have some questions for those of you who have gone through the process.

My goal is not money but to just increase the number of gun owners in New York State so we don't keep getting outvoted every election. I have introduced some of my friends to guns but want to become certified so I can expand my outreach. I don't plan on charging any money other than having the students pay for ammo, range fees, course materials, etc.; my time itself and the guns I provide will be free.

What are the things I am not thinking of? Insurance? Liability? I have never worried about those while teaching friends and family, but if I'm going to teach strangers, should I worry about those? Do I need to incorporate as a LLC or non-profit corporation? Should I join an existing training company or non-profit and offer my services for free?

Process wise, I understand that I have to take the Basic Instructor Training course followed by the related courses that I want to be an instructor in. I keep looking but it's hard to find BIT classes and they're never offered online. Is the BIT class ever waived? I have a good amount of experience with guns and have documentation to prove it.

Thanks for your feedback.

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Please stay on topic. There are other threads to talk about the politics and the direction of this state. Thanks.

 

[Jmac00]

there 19 million people in the People's Republic of New Yorkistan, 9 million are FUDS. This state is doomed. Look at the results of Cunty Whorchuls 'win' in the last election. 62 counties in NY, she lost all but 6 ( may 7 or 8? who cares) and she still won with just 10% of the counties?

where is this state headed, right down the shitter. You can say "stand and fight" but look at whats happened since 2013, its got a lot worse.

The SCOTUS changes the rules for New Yorkistan, what does 'OL Cunty do, she shits her pants and shits all over the Bruen ruling and the Constitution.

You're not going to win anything in this state. And with more and more people fleeing, you're going to have two problems, which I have stated many times. One, the middle class ( whats left of it )upper middle class and the upper class are leaving. Two, those leaving are the ones with the education. This not only a physical exodus, but a brain drain on the state as well.

So good luck, I wish you well, from 1500 miles away from that kingdom of whorchul

 

[JRtraderny]

there 19 million people in the People's Republic of New Yorkistan, 9 million are FUDS. This state is doomed. Look at the results of Cunty Whorchuls 'win' in the last election. 62 counties in NY, she lost all but 6 ( may 7 or 8? who cares) and she still won with just 10% of the counties?

where is this state headed, right down the shitter. You can say "stand and fight" but look at whats happened since 2013, its got a lot worse.

The SCOTUS changes the rules for New Yorkistan, what does 'OL Cunty do, she shits her pants and shits all over the Bruen ruling and the Constitution.

You're not going to win anything in this state. And with more and more people fleeing, you're going to have two problems, which I have stated many times. One, the middle class ( whats left of it )upper middle class and the upper class are leaving. Two, those leaving are the ones with the education. This not only a physical exodus, but a brain drain on the state as well.

So good luck, I wish you well, from 1500 miles away from that kingdom of whorchul

Also the ones that are leaving are the ones with the $$$$$ .

 

[Chris1389]

Its very misleading to think every gun owner would vote red. There are thousands of people in the state who are very happy with the current gun laws and enjoy going to the range with their pistols. There is a Reddit group called Liberal Gun Owners an it has 200k members.

 

[RedBreast21]

I don't think the NRA cert is accepted in NY anymore with the new requirements. Or is that incorrect? It's been a long time since I gave a class. lol

 

[nortatoga]

I don't think the NRA cert is accepted in NY anymore with the new requirements. Or is that incorrect. It's been a long time since I gave a class. lol

Has not yet passed.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Firearm Training

NRA Instructor Training Courses help you develop the additional knowledge, skills and techniques needed to organize and teach courses in the NRA Basic Firearm Training Program.

firearmtraining.nra.org

 

[REF]

WOW, so much for keeping the thread on topic!!!

 

[stokes]

WOW, so much for keeping the thread on topic!!!

Well, there arent many threads here that stay on topic, and you think this one should because some guy with "boner" in his tag has told us to do so... in his first post?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Masks don't work.







Sorry, wrong thread.

 

[REF]

Well, there arent many threads here that stay on topic, and you think this one should because some guy with "boner" in his tag has told us to do so... in his first post?

Wishful thinking?!??

 

[REF]

But seriously, just thought it was typical, OP specifically asked to not get into politics/gun laws,direction of the state,etc…. And the next post is “NY sucks move to a free state “, blah blah blah, funny shit

 

[togmaster]

Well, there arent many threads here that stay on topic, and you think this one should because some guy with "boner" in his tag has told us to do so... in his first post?

LOL he said boner.

 

[Bob]

The BIT is mandatory, and doesn't get waived. In fact, you are required to retake BIT if you are adding a rating and it has been more than two years since last completing BIT. The BIT is less about guns and more about how to teach.

Insurance is pretty much mandatory if you're going to do more than coach a friend or family member in the back yard. There are only a few companies that will sell insurance to firearms instructors in NY, and the NRA-recommended folks aren't on the shortlist.

Believe it or not, a lot of these things will probably be discussed during the BIT, or at least can be discussed during breaks at the BIT.

I've actually found that a lot of the concepts taught during the BIT have made me a better teacher outside the firearms world as well.

 

[maverick52]

USCCA also has a firearm instructor course.

 

[Acer-m14]

I don't think the NRA cert is accepted in NY anymore with the new requirements. Or is that incorrect? It's been a long time since I gave a class. lol

I think the NRA instructors are not allowed in NYS per the CCIA ..

 

[nortatoga]

I think the NRA instructors are not allowed in NYS per the CCIA ..

That has not passed as of yet.

 

[schadenboner]

The BIT is mandatory, and doesn't get waived. In fact, you are required to retake BIT if you are adding a rating and it has been more than two years since last completing BIT. The BIT is less about guns and more about how to teach.

Insurance is pretty much mandatory if you're going to do more than coach a friend or family member in the back yard. There are only a few companies that will sell insurance to firearms instructors in NY, and the NRA-recommended folks aren't on the shortlist.

Believe it or not, a lot of these things will probably be discussed during the BIT, or at least can be discussed during breaks at the BIT.

I've actually found that a lot of the concepts taught during the BIT have made me a better teacher outside the firearms world as well.

Thanks a lot, Bob.

How expensive is the insurance? I would like to know how many people I have to train to make up for the cost.

Is the BIT typically be added on to a class like Intro to Rifles Instructor? Or would I have to find and schedule those classes separately?

Are there any good Instructor trainers you would recommend? I am in the Finger Lakes region and I would prefer someone in the area. But if I have to drive, I will do it.

Thanks again.

 

[schadenboner]

USCCA also has a firearm instructor course.

Thanks, Maverick52. I am looking at rifle instruction right now but this is very helpful and I will keep it in mind.

 

[Bob]

Thanks a lot, Bob.

How expensive is the insurance? I would like to know how many people I have to train to make up for the cost.

Is the BIT typically be added on to a class like Intro to Rifles Instructor? Or would I have to find and schedule those classes separately?

Are there any good Instructor trainers you would recommend? I am in the Finger Lakes region and I would prefer someone in the area. But if I have to drive, I will do it.

Thanks again.

A million-dollar policy will usually run in the ballpark of $300-$400 annually. Usually, the ranges where you intend to teach will want to be named on the policy as also insured. Make sure your agent will be able to make those changes for you as needed.

Some instructors will specify that BIT either is or is not a part of the class you're taking. BIT is six hours, so plan on an extra day or two three-hour evenings. I'd reach out to the instructors to see if they are including it.

I've taken instructor classes with a couple of people in the Rochester area. I wouldn't recommend either of them. I'm really not familiar with any of the other names of instructors with classes posted right now. Once upon a time, I traveled to Nyack to train with a guy who was really good. Went back to him twice more. I'm not sure what he's doing anymore, as his website is down.

 

[Acer-m14]

That has not passed as of yet.

pretty sure the CCIA has passed .. parts of it are in limbo

 

[nortatoga]

pretty sure the CCIA has passed .. parts of it are in limbo

It is not part of the CCIA, you even posted in this thread! May be you should try not being the funny guy with your posts and read the threads.

NY State Senate Bill S9601

One step closer to making it impossible to get a CCW, by taking away NRA certified trainers. https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/S9601

nygunforum.com

 

[Beerman]

Thanks a lot, Bob.

How expensive is the insurance? I would like to know how many people I have to train to make up for the cost.

Is the BIT typically be added on to a class like Intro to Rifles Instructor? Or would I have to find and schedule those classes separately?

Are there any good Instructor trainers you would recommend? I am in the Finger Lakes region and I would prefer someone in the area. But if I have to drive, I will do it.

Thanks again.

Since you said you’d train for FREE, it’s gonna take a lot of students to recoup any insurance premium costs.

 

[nortatoga]

@schadenboner have you checked this link?

Firearm Training

NRA Instructor Training Courses help you develop the additional knowledge, skills and techniques needed to organize and teach courses in the NRA Basic Firearm Training Program.

firearmtraining.nra.org

To do free or cheap classes is going to cost you quit a bite to get to that point.

 

[Glock_USA]

Doesn't NYS have legislation pending that would make NRA instructors invalid in the state for training? Pretty sure they do. Better check before you go through all of this for nothing.

 

[schadenboner]

Since you said you’d train for FREE, it’s gonna take a lot of students to recoup any insurance premium costs.

The idea was that my labor and my guns would be free. I would pass the insurance costs along to the student along with range fees and ammo and ancillary costs.

 

[schadenboner]

A million-dollar policy will usually run in the ballpark of $300-$400 annually. Usually, the ranges where you intend to teach will want to be named on the policy as also insured. Make sure your agent will be able to make those changes for you as needed.

Some instructors will specify that BIT either is or is not a part of the class you're taking. BIT is six hours, so plan on an extra day or two three-hour evenings. I'd reach out to the instructors to see if they are including it.

I've taken instructor classes with a couple of people in the Rochester area. I wouldn't recommend either of them. I'm really not familiar with any of the other names of instructors with classes posted right now. Once upon a time, I traveled to Nyack to train with a guy who was really good. Went back to him twice more. I'm not sure what he's doing anymore, as his website is down.

Thanks, Bob. This is very helpful. I appreciate it. I guess I just have to make the plunge at some point this year.

 

[Acer-m14]

It is not part of the CCIA, you even posted in this thread! May be you should try not being the funny guy with your posts and read the threads.

NY State Senate Bill S9601

One step closer to making it impossible to get a CCW, by taking away NRA certified trainers. https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/S9601

nygunforum.com

Doesn't NYS have legislation pending that would make NRA instructors invalid in the state for training? Pretty sure they do. Better check before you go through all of this for nothing.

yeh glock there is a bill .. does it matter ??

who is charge now ??

who makes up the training ? that 16 or is 18 hour class ..

who gives out the who is authorized to train .. ??

bet they can revoke anyone they do not like ..

BTW

who trained the trainers and made them the gun god trainers ??

Hell i got Joe Biden gun training cert now .. just 2 blasts out the window ..

 

[nortatoga]

 

[stokes]

Hell i got Joe Biden gun training cert now .. just 2 blasts out the window ..

You failed. I believe he said "out the front door" or "off the front porch", I forget which. Now turn in your shotgun.... no shoot for you!