Arjuna
.338 Win Mag
Biden approves broad student loan forgiveness
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Arjuna
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Saltwater60
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Many schools just blow money on ridiculous things because they are not for profit. My wife is a college professor/administrator and I can tell you she worked for a private for profit university and that was all they talked about was how can we keep a degree under $10,000 or $30,000. All books and materials are or were provided for you, no fees, no activity charges nothing.
I finished my bachelors degree through her school just recently and I’ll bet it cost me $4,000-$5,000. I knew every penny o was going to spend and there were no surprises. Now this was an advanced start degree so others would likely spend more. I’m going to get my masters degree and that will cost me about $25,000-$30,000. Not bad since when I’m done I can teach and make $10,000-$25,000/year depending on how many classes I get.
Yet unfortunately, schmoes like @Jmac00 and I, and others I imagine, who took the trades route to AVOID college debt yet earn decent salaries, by default, are now encumbered by college debt.
No offense to anyone intended, but if you borrowed it, you pay for it. If the amount intended to be returned to you exceeds what you paid in taxes federally in general, than that's the maximum you should get in return, not a penny more. Its not my job as a citizen to subsidize others choices or regrets. Your office job in air conditioning sweating paperwork isn't the equivalent to the physical abuse taken by those who avoided college debt in the trades. At minimum, the lack of respect in general by educators who believe that if you can't make it in college "you can always get a job in the trades " is enough of a slap in the face to have us never want to be encumbered by your debt. Want the easy route in life? YOU PAY FOR IT.
No offense to anyone intended, but if you borrowed it, you pay for it. If the amount intended to be returned to you exceeds what you paid in taxes federally in general, than that's the maximum you should get in return, not a penny more. Its not my job as a citizen to subsidize others choices or regrets. Your office job in air conditioning sweating paperwork isn't the equivalent to the physical abuse taken by those who avoided college debt in the trades. At minimum, the lack of respect in general by educators who believe that if you can't make it in college "you can always get a job in the trades " is enough of a slap in the face to have us never want to be encumbered by your debt. Want the easy route in life? YOU PAY FOR IT.
Saltwater60
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I think this sentiment is turning. The idiots that graduate from college think they will make $100-$150,000/year with a bachelors degree. My sons graduating class many are not going to college. Many took welding and building trades. My BOCES program for welding has a waiting list and we’re hoping my younger shin get accepted next year. I have always like and respected the tradesmen. I almost wish I’d have gone the trade route. Electro and will have a waiting list a mile long in the coming decade with the conversion to EV and all electric world. Electricians will be able to write their own ticket. I may see if my son wants to get the welding at boces then go to be an electrician so he can do both.
Saltwater60
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Sounds like for many the forgiveness will be automatic and no application process will be needed. I think that’s what will happen in my case because fed loan servicing has our financial information.
Not to hijack the thread, but I advise many younger individuals of a simple fact.
Many in the trades are, according to labor statistics specifically in my field, age 55+.l, with noone behind filling the gap, know personally that nearly any trade, with oncoming retirements, with have a huge shortage of employees. Nearly any trade will be a "write your own check" opportunity for those willing to apply themselves now.
Hell, I can go nearly anywhere now and demand ridiculous wages and get a job ( just love where I'm at too much).
Jmac00
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LOL, back in the early '80s, before I went into HVAC I was a certified welder. I went to night school/continuing ed. I was certified for 11 stick, TIG and MIG ( although, I admit I'm not a fan of MIG, cause I kinda suck at it) but I haven't touched a welder in 40 years.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
I worked my way up to a position that requires a degree, by busting my ass to be good at what I do, without a degree.
In other words - I am more qualified for my job than many people that went to school for it.
There are people in the pipeline below me that refuse to even work 40hrs a week, and they think the world owes them something.
Most of the critical jobs in the company are held by fresh out of college brats with no real world experience, and they think the most important part of their day is sitting through a virtual meeting about some worthless bullshit.
Some are great, but they are the exception. It shouldn't surprise anyone why the world is so fucked up.
In other words - I am more qualified for my job than many people that went to school for it.
There are people in the pipeline below me that refuse to even work 40hrs a week, and they think the world owes them something.
Most of the critical jobs in the company are held by fresh out of college brats with no real world experience, and they think the most important part of their day is sitting through a virtual meeting about some worthless bullshit.
Some are great, but they are the exception. It shouldn't surprise anyone why the world is so fucked up.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Not hijacking the thread at all because student loan debt touches on this.
I think it’s too little too late to make up for the lack of tradesmen for the last what 20-30 years, maybe even longer.
Last I heard by the time my son graduates high school and I told him to get a two year degree in engineering or cad drawing and design so he can demand more money and so other things the figure was we’d be short 450,000 welders in the USA. I know entry level welders and tradesmen making $100,000. Granted that’s with OT.
A small shop by me was hiring a machinist that paid $90,000 with OT and bonuses. Man I remember they were making $17-$18/hour 15 years ago. It’s crazy.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
from a FB post this mom is so happy ..
"Today, I’m taking my daughter XXXXXXX to her new college, SUNY Cortland, to study inclusive education.
Im so proud of her. And so happy to do mom stuff!"
"Today, I’m taking my daughter XXXXXXX to her new college, SUNY Cortland, to study inclusive education.
Im so proud of her. And so happy to do mom stuff!"
Gotta tell you all, I think this is scumbaggery at its finest. Not one American should be forced to pay the debt of another.
I think this is disgusting and rather deplorable. I hope this does nothing but bring us closer to the end. We need a serious enima and I hope this assists with the nail in the coffin of current ways of doing things. I hope this backfires.
I am so aggravated about this. Pay your fucking debts. You all willingly took out these loans. I do not care if you are having trouble paying them back, this is life and life is not fucking fair.
I think this is disgusting and rather deplorable. I hope this does nothing but bring us closer to the end. We need a serious enima and I hope this assists with the nail in the coffin of current ways of doing things. I hope this backfires.
I am so aggravated about this. Pay your fucking debts. You all willingly took out these loans. I do not care if you are having trouble paying them back, this is life and life is not fucking fair.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
press sec can't answer who is paying for this ..
if you watch her eyes blinking rate .. its that a sign of lying lol ..
if you watch her eyes blinking rate .. its that a sign of lying lol ..
She can answer but is scared to death to be honest.
Screw all that are doing this bullshit to the American people.
Or the tens of thousands on tools?
fnfalguy
.308 Win
Saltwater60
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Study released saying it will cost each and every tax payer $2,000 at $10,000 of forgiveness. Not right!!
www.cnbc.com
Biden's student debt forgiveness plan may cost taxpayers an average of $2,000, some policy experts say
Student loan forgiveness will cost taxpayers and does nothing to solve the tough unaffordability issues that plague higher education, some policy experts say.
www.cnbc.com
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
She has to be the worst there has ever been. At least psaki was good at lying and deflecting.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
I'm pretty sure it is more like $10,000 taxpayer cost, for every $2,000 that is "forgiven".Study released saying it will cost each and every tax payer $2,000 at $10,000 of forgiveness. Not right!!
Biden's student debt forgiveness plan may cost taxpayers an average of $2,000, some policy experts say
Student loan forgiveness will cost taxpayers and does nothing to solve the tough unaffordability issues that plague higher education, some policy experts say.
How the hell can spending $10,000 only cost $2,000? People believe this shit!!!
Again, no offense, but 1 dollar from someone who didn't go to college to pay for someone else's choice of debt is 1 dollar too much.Study released saying it will cost each and every tax payer $2,000 at $10,000 of forgiveness. Not right!!
Biden's student debt forgiveness plan may cost taxpayers an average of $2,000, some policy experts say
Student loan forgiveness will cost taxpayers and does nothing to solve the tough unaffordability issues that plague higher education, some policy experts say.
Slacker43
.40 S&W
I'm guessing you are doing fairly well salary wise. My wife and I are comfortable salary wise and did better tax wise under Trump. Other people who are better off that I know did as well. My retirement had huge gains under Trump. How did your retirement do? How's it doing now? Overall we're you really behind under Trump? I'm guessing with everything figured in you were worth much more then than now.
Arjuna
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Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Biden has neither the constitutional nor legal authority to either spend or transfer this $300,000,000,000 to $500,000,000,000 without Congress. McConnell and McCarthy are complicit for not taking action to stop this nonsense.
Arjuna
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Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
"Who is paying for this?": Doocy presses KJP on Biden's student debt cancellation plan | "Who is paying for this?": Doocy presses KJP on Biden's student debt cancellation plan | By BPR | Facebook
"Who is paying for this?": Doocy presses KJP on Biden's student debt cancellation plan
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Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I’m guessing it’s so spread out that the $10,000 gets washed out to $2,000.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
None taken. I agree and that’s why I posted it. Hard facts are helpful imo. If someone asked me for $2,000 I’d say no as well.