I disagree completely with the opening statement. How is Russia being threatened with annihilation? When was that ever the stated goal of the Ukrainians or NATO? It would be more accurate to state that Ukraine is threatened with annihilation. If Russia achieves it's goals what would be left of Ukraine?
Biden authorizes Ukraine to use US supplied missiles to strike inside of Russia
- Thread starter Saltwater60
- Start date
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
Because, as I’ve explained before (in another thread), Russia is unable to maintain its aresenal of nukes and they are no longer functional. They have very few nukes “ready to rock.”
The Army Tactical Missile System is not a weapons system in of itself, it is a munition that either the track based M270A1 MLRS or the smaller wheeled version, the HIMARS, can fire.
The graphic in the article is incorrect, the HIMARS can only hold and fire 1 ATACMS at a time before reload, the M270A1 can hold and fire 2 ay a time.
Either of these platforms more commonly fire the smaller rockets which are 6 to a pod so 6 total for the HIMARS and 12 for the MLRS. There is a video variety of rocket/mislle types both guided and unguided but most are cluster mentions with a few types being unitary HE warheads intended for bunker busting.
The MLRS was designed for counter battery fire missions against enemy field and air defense artillery and occasionally against forward located HQ facilities
Depending on the specific type of munition there will be from many hundreds to thousands of bomblets that are released over the target which is the saturated and annihilated by the submunitons each of which is roughly tge same power as a standard hand grenade only focused into a downward cone.
At full saturation an MLRS section of 3 launchers can completely saturate a square kilometer with tge submunitons and Anything or one caught underneath gets turned into kibble.
The main advantage of the missile over the rockets is a much increase range and initially only the missiles could be guided, guided rockets have substantially been developed however I imagine for the unitary rounds since the cluster munitions don't need tge extra accuracy.
I served for 6 years in MLRS battalion as a 13M or MLRS Crew member.
The graphic in the article is incorrect, the HIMARS can only hold and fire 1 ATACMS at a time before reload, the M270A1 can hold and fire 2 ay a time.
Either of these platforms more commonly fire the smaller rockets which are 6 to a pod so 6 total for the HIMARS and 12 for the MLRS. There is a video variety of rocket/mislle types both guided and unguided but most are cluster mentions with a few types being unitary HE warheads intended for bunker busting.
The MLRS was designed for counter battery fire missions against enemy field and air defense artillery and occasionally against forward located HQ facilities
Depending on the specific type of munition there will be from many hundreds to thousands of bomblets that are released over the target which is the saturated and annihilated by the submunitons each of which is roughly tge same power as a standard hand grenade only focused into a downward cone.
At full saturation an MLRS section of 3 launchers can completely saturate a square kilometer with tge submunitons and Anything or one caught underneath gets turned into kibble.
The main advantage of the missile over the rockets is a much increase range and initially only the missiles could be guided, guided rockets have substantially been developed however I imagine for the unitary rounds since the cluster munitions don't need tge extra accuracy.
I served for 6 years in MLRS battalion as a 13M or MLRS Crew member.
The dumbest post of this thread.
C3D
.308 Win
Well some preview footage of the near future apocalypse popped up. Here is what the MIRVs looked like on reentry in Dnipro, Ukraine. Coming soon to an American city near you, only with a 1/4 megaton airburst per vehicle.
Cavalry
.308 Win
This is certainly one way to take care of the inner city problem.
I saw it, it's pretty wild to witness in real life not in a movie.
Putin addressed the nation, troops and adversaries.
In responce to the attacks with ATACMS and Storm Shadows on Russian territory, which didn't accomplish their mission, Russia for the first time used its newest nuclear capable hypersonic ballistic missile "Oreshnik". There is nothing in any arsenal that can stop this missile. Russian missile attack completely destroyed an Industrial Airospace Complex in Dniepr (Dniepropetrovsk). This complex dates back to Soviet era.
In responce to the attacks with ATACMS and Storm Shadows on Russian territory, which didn't accomplish their mission, Russia for the first time used its newest nuclear capable hypersonic ballistic missile "Oreshnik". There is nothing in any arsenal that can stop this missile. Russian missile attack completely destroyed an Industrial Airospace Complex in Dniepr (Dniepropetrovsk). This complex dates back to Soviet era.
"The president also vowed to publicly announce any future strikes against the Ukrainian targets involving the ‘Oreshnik’ system “for humanitarian reasons” to let civilians leave a potentially dangerous zone. The announcements would not affect the effectiveness of the strikes, he added. A ballistic missile travelling at between 2.5 and 3 kilometers per second, or 10 times faster than the speed of sound, cannot be countered with any existing air defense systems, Putin said."
I was shopping all day with Mrs. Gop...
I take it Mr Putin did not Nuke them yet??
Dammit.
I take it Mr Putin did not Nuke them yet??
Dammit.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
There's also this one
View attachment EUDVgaIe9-imXMkd.mp4
I wasnt convinced it was incoming warheads until I blew it up. On my phone it looked like a launch played backwards.
View attachment EUDVgaIe9-imXMkd.mp4
I wasnt convinced it was incoming warheads until I blew it up. On my phone it looked like a launch played backwards.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Who rules in Washington?': The question now haunting the world as bumbling Biden stokes World War fears and antagonizes Russia, writes MARK ALMOND
With eight weeks to inauguration day, there's a sense of growing instability which gives the countdown to the end of Joe Biden 's term in the White House an almost uniquely dangerous character.
The question haunting the world as Biden stokes World War fears
The rest of the world tends to sit out the lame-duck weeks at the end of a presidential reign, holding its breath to see what the new commander-in-chief will do once in the Oval Office.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
If the left starts WW3 they will never win another election, assuming we survive.
4WHLDRFTN
.308 Win
4WHLDRFTN
.308 Win
They actually haven’t won a legit election in 200yrs.
To warn.... weakness....
Russian President Putin says "we will warn civilians in Ukraine and citizens of other friendly states to leave potential attack zones in advance." Russia is preparing to launch a major missile attack on Ukraine.
Russian President Putin says "we will warn civilians in Ukraine and citizens of other friendly states to leave potential attack zones in advance." Russia is preparing to launch a major missile attack on Ukraine.
I've noticed Russians tend to be pretty deliberate in their wording and that's an interesting quote.
He will warn citizens of "other friendly states to leave potential attack zones in advance"
Read into that a few different ways and meanings.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Relax,Putin wont use Nukes, the war is over once trump cuts off the money and weapons . They dont even have that many atacm missles anyway. They shot a few just over the border in Kursk . Putin has the option of waiting 60 days, or total global annilation. Hes a sharp guy, he knows what the deal is, If he just sits, He wins. Nobody wins a nuclear war.
It's being reported that U.S. was warned about launching of this missile in accordance with nuclear safety protocol which is still in place. They thought it would target Kiev, but this time it was DnieproPETROVSK.
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
If the left starts WWIII, it'll no doubt be Trumps fault.
JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
Don`t kid yourselves folks. Trump is already working on this behind the scenes. They aren`t going to blow up the world.
This is just another temper tantrum by the leftists losers. They`re just trying to make Trump look bad. To bad they`ll fail, again.
This is just another temper tantrum by the leftists losers. They`re just trying to make Trump look bad. To bad they`ll fail, again.
C3D
.308 Win
There's some footage out there of US MIRV tests landing in Kwajalein Atoll, they look identical.
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
Last edited:
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Putin is nuts and will likely lose any other game or war he’s playing except dropping one nuke. I don’t think he will but it’s a possibility.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
THAAD and Patriots are designed to shoot down ballistic missiles.
The Sprint (which we should absolutely bring back in an updated form) was designed to shoot down ICBM reentry vehicles. They were operational in the early 70s.
An ICBM RV isn't Mach 10. It's more like Mach 25.
The Sprint could hit a target 25 miles away in 10 seconds, that includes the time to launch.
Not enough speed to stop Oreshnik
___________________________
Oreshnik (Russian: Орешник, lit. 'Hazel'),[2] according to Russian president Vladimir Putin, is a Russian intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM). The missile is claimed to have a speed higher of Mach 11 (13,500 km/h; 8,370 mph; 3.74 km/s) according to the Ukrainian military, with six warheads reportedly equipped with six submunitions[1][3] that makes it very difficult to intercept.[4] Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary Sabrina Singh, described the Oreshnik as a variant of Russia's RS-26 Rubezh quasi-ballistic missile.[5]
______________________________
Oreshnik (missile) - Wikipedia
Reality check. Who here believes the media in what the U.S. Military can stop and what they can't stop?
If you raised your hand, go watch CNN and let the grown ups talk.
Who here believes everything the RUSSIAN media says about their capabilities, technology, and weapons superiority?
If you raised your hand......... Never mind, I can't help you.
If you raised your hand, go watch CNN and let the grown ups talk.
Who here believes everything the RUSSIAN media says about their capabilities, technology, and weapons superiority?
If you raised your hand......... Never mind, I can't help you.
Here is a hint. When information is not disputed by either side, there is something there.
Putin made a statement about this to the whole world and nobody is jumping at the chance to prove him wrong.