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I've worked for mostly small businesses when I was younger. They may be great people, but often things like health insurance is severely lacking.
I'm still trying decide what to do myself
I'm still trying decide what to do myself
Biden to announce vaccine mandate for companies with more than 100 employees
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DoOver
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spat
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Eventually the choice becomes "comply" or "shoot the bastards".
Make sure you retain the means to effect that second option.
Wrongful termination! Discrimination! And a host of other things. If an employer can get away with this that can force you to take a flu vaxx also, why haven't they? It kills thousands.
DoOver
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Que...Your employer can demand steel toed shoes and eye protection strawman argument...here
ManualF150
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There is a big difference between steeled toed shoes, eye protection, and heck even masks. When the employee is done with their shift, they can take it off.
A vaccine you can't.
Also, a vaccine can kill you at a much higher percentage than a pair of steel toes shoes.
A vaccine you can't.
Also, a vaccine can kill you at a much higher percentage than a pair of steel toes shoes.
Jsmegs77
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There’s nothing in my union national master agreement or local rider mentioning any medical procedures required as a condition of employment. Ergo, I will be doing no such thing, nor will I discuss my personal medical history. The only things I will tolerate are the DOT prescribed drug and alcohol screens as I hold a CDL.
And, as @ManualF150 pointed out, an injection is not PPE and cannot be taken off when leaving the work facility. So claims of a similar nature are senseless, though like most other senseless aspects of this whole COVID debacle, I expect they’re bound to pop up at any moment.
And, as @ManualF150 pointed out, an injection is not PPE and cannot be taken off when leaving the work facility. So claims of a similar nature are senseless, though like most other senseless aspects of this whole COVID debacle, I expect they’re bound to pop up at any moment.
Doc8404
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agreed.
But the argument of an employer can’t require as a condition of employment is laughable.
no one here has once posted case law.
Doc8404
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Although I agree they will go after all, some of those posting are pulling shit out of their ass.
Doc8404
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What’s next “you can’t make this Marine take a vaccine.”
yes. Yea they can. And have. Like everyone on here. Oh wait. EUA.
oh wait. Anthrax vaccine. JEV.
que, there’s an injunction. Yes for religious exemptions.
yes. Yea they can. And have. Like everyone on here. Oh wait. EUA.
oh wait. Anthrax vaccine. JEV.
que, there’s an injunction. Yes for religious exemptions.
Ummm... Seal case..No Vaxx!
spat
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How many employment contracts had a "vaccination" clause ?
They can't just make shit up.
While they could refuse to hire someone new without them signing a new contract that includes that, they can't just pencil it into an existing contract unilaterally.
spat
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I'm just waiting for the first vax injury workmans comp lawsuit.
If they only took it because you mandated it, then it is a work related injury.
If you ordered someone to operate a machine as part of their job, and it killed them, their estate should be getting a hefty sum.
If they only took it because you mandated it, then it is a work related injury.
If you ordered someone to operate a machine as part of their job, and it killed them, their estate should be getting a hefty sum.
Dr. Evil
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CDC Director Disputes Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor’s Claim About Children Seriously Ill With COVID-19
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Rochelle Walenksy disputed Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s claim that 100,000 children are hospitalized or seriously ill with COVID-19 during arguments last week. During an interview with “Fox News Sunday,” Walensky confirmed...
www.ntd.com
Doc8404
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agreed with a contract.
but hire and fire at will states like NY, “hi. Good morning. So good to see you. You’re fired.”
no reason needed. Can’t dispute that.
Doc8404
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correct. I work in that arena daily.
it is a WC claim. Have seen several.
key is, once you file a claim, you can’t sue.
Well, for the keyboard lawyers let me clarify, yeah you can sue. You can sue for whatever. But NY state WC law protects employers from lawsuits arising from work related injuries.
Doc8404
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thanks. Like I already said RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION.
Judge issues stay against vaccine mandate for Navy SEALs seeking religious exemption
A federal judge granted a temporary injunction Monday against a federal vaccine mandate for Navy SEALs who sued President Biden because they were seeking a religious exemption.
www.foxnews.com
Doc8404
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You only read what you want.
Whatever that means.
Doc8404
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You can’t even acknowledge the SEAL lawsuit is about their religious exemption. You use it as your defense of saying the mandate is illegal.
spat
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Legally, that's all that's required, but virtually everyone has a contract of some sort. The company may have committed to more restrictions than the bare minimum legally required, or they may have some catch all in there that they can use.
But there are a lot of employees who work for a company with legally binding contractual obligations that would prevent them from just creating new job requirements out of thin air.
spat
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A mandate with a religious exemption would be on very shaky ground indeed.
Hard to say "you cannot safely execute this job if you have a beard, unless you're a Sikh" for instance. The presence of the religious exemption proves that the mandate isn't necessary.
Yes I do acknowledge it. So are other things pertaining the mandate.
Doc8404
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You can’t make me wear a mask either! Right?
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US, Japan agree to keep troops on base to curb COVID spread
The restrictions starting Monday will last 14 days.
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Doc8404
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I truly think the mandates are bullshit.
I truly think masks are bullshit.
But when people act like at-will employment doesn’t exist, credibility goes down the shitter.
I truly think masks are bullshit.
But when people act like at-will employment doesn’t exist, credibility goes down the shitter.
kev74
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Being an at-will employee doesn't mean all workplace protections are out the window. You still can't discriminate based on religion, or medical condition that doesn't effect job performance - at least that's how it was supposed to work pre-clown world. Honk honk!!
Doc8404
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correct ADA, Title 7. Well versed in that. And don’t forget age discrimination which starts at age 40.
There is a laundry list of things employees and employers can't do. I have to go through the Bullshut training all the time at work. Discrimination is a thing! BTW, What dumbass Employer would mandate something that tons of Doctors are on record warning about and with VAERS showing all the deaths and injuries in the thousands? You want to mandate what again?
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