Biden to announce vaccine mandate for companies with more than 100 employees

[Vapor]

I've worked for mostly small businesses when I was younger. They may be great people, but often things like health insurance is severely lacking.

I'm still trying decide what to do myself

 

[DoOver]

 

[spat]

Kind of like the Jews were given a choice to wear yellow stars and take waterless showers?

Eventually the choice becomes "comply" or "shoot the bastards".

Make sure you retain the means to effect that second option.

 

[Defilade]

you miss the part about “no one is forcing you to get this vax. It is a condition of employment. You have the right to refuse. You have the choice to find a new job.”

Wrongful termination! Discrimination! And a host of other things. If an employer can get away with this that can force you to take a flu vaxx also, why haven't they? It kills thousands.

 

[DoOver]

Wrongful termination! Discrimination! And a host of other things. If an employer can get away with this that can force you to take a flu vaxx also, why haven't they? It kills thousands.

Que...Your employer can demand steel toed shoes and eye protection strawman argument...here

 

[ManualF150]

There is a big difference between steeled toed shoes, eye protection, and heck even masks. When the employee is done with their shift, they can take it off.

A vaccine you can't.

Also, a vaccine can kill you at a much higher percentage than a pair of steel toes shoes.

 

[Jsmegs77]

There’s nothing in my union national master agreement or local rider mentioning any medical procedures required as a condition of employment. Ergo, I will be doing no such thing, nor will I discuss my personal medical history. The only things I will tolerate are the DOT prescribed drug and alcohol screens as I hold a CDL.

And, as @ManualF150 pointed out, an injection is not PPE and cannot be taken off when leaving the work facility. So claims of a similar nature are senseless, though like most other senseless aspects of this whole COVID debacle, I expect they’re bound to pop up at any moment.

 

[Doc8404]

There is a big difference between steeled toed shoes, eye protection, and heck even masks. When the employee is done with their shift, they can take it off.

A vaccine you can't.

Also, a vaccine can kill you at a much higher percentage than a pair of steel toes shoes.

agreed.
But the argument of an employer can’t require as a condition of employment is laughable.

no one here has once posted case law.

 

[Doc8404]

Sure, you can get a job with an employer of less than 100. But do you honestly think they are going to stop at the 100 level?

Once SCrotum rules that the mandate is legal, what's to stop them from reducing that number to 1? Whether they do it incrementally or all at once, it is coming.

Although I agree they will go after all, some of those posting are pulling shit out of their ass.

 

[Doc8404]

What’s next “you can’t make this Marine take a vaccine.”

yes. Yea they can. And have. Like everyone on here. Oh wait. EUA.
oh wait. Anthrax vaccine. JEV.

que, there’s an injunction. Yes for religious exemptions.

 

[Defilade]

What’s next “you can’t make this Marine take a vaccine.”

yes. Yea they can. And have. Like everyone on here. Oh wait. EUA.
oh wait. Anthrax vaccine. JEV.

que, there’s an injunction. Yes for religious exemptions.

Ummm... Seal case..No Vaxx!

 

[spat]

agreed.
But the argument of an employer can’t require as a condition of employment is laughable.

no one here has once posted case law.

How many employment contracts had a "vaccination" clause ?

They can't just make shit up.

While they could refuse to hire someone new without them signing a new contract that includes that, they can't just pencil it into an existing contract unilaterally.

 

[spat]

I'm just waiting for the first vax injury workmans comp lawsuit.

If they only took it because you mandated it, then it is a work related injury.

If you ordered someone to operate a machine as part of their job, and it killed them, their estate should be getting a hefty sum.

 

[Dr. Evil]

CDC Director Disputes Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor’s Claim About Children Seriously Ill With COVID-19

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Rochelle Walenksy disputed Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s claim that 100,000 children are hospitalized or seriously ill with COVID-19 during arguments last week. During an interview with “Fox News Sunday,” Walensky confirmed...

www.ntd.com

 

[Doc8404]

How many employment contracts had a "vaccination" clause ?

They can't just make shit up.

While they could refuse to hire someone new without them signing a new contract that includes that, they can't just pencil it into an existing contract unilaterally.

agreed with a contract.
but hire and fire at will states like NY, “hi. Good morning. So good to see you. You’re fired.”

no reason needed. Can’t dispute that.

 

[Doc8404]

I'm just waiting for the first vax injury workmans comp lawsuit.

If they only took it because you mandated it, then it is a work related injury.

If you ordered someone to operate a machine as part of their job, and it killed them, their estate should be getting a hefty sum.

correct. I work in that arena daily.
it is a WC claim. Have seen several.
key is, once you file a claim, you can’t sue.
Well, for the keyboard lawyers let me clarify, yeah you can sue. You can sue for whatever. But NY state WC law protects employers from lawsuits arising from work related injuries.

 

[Doc8404]

Ummm... Seal case..No Vaxx!

thanks. Like I already said RELIGIOUS EXEMPTION.

Judge issues stay against vaccine mandate for Navy SEALs seeking religious exemption

A federal judge granted a temporary injunction Monday against a federal vaccine mandate for Navy SEALs who sued President Biden because they were seeking a religious exemption.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Doc8404]

Ummm... Seal case..No Vaxx!

You only read what you want.

 

[Defilade]

You only read what you want.

Whatever that means.

 

[Defilade]

 

[Defilade]

 

[Doc8404]

Whatever that means.

You can’t even acknowledge the SEAL lawsuit is about their religious exemption. You use it as your defense of saying the mandate is illegal.

 

[spat]

agreed with a contract.
but hire and fire at will states like NY, “hi. Good morning. So good to see you. You’re fired.”

no reason needed. Can’t dispute that.

Legally, that's all that's required, but virtually everyone has a contract of some sort. The company may have committed to more restrictions than the bare minimum legally required, or they may have some catch all in there that they can use.

But there are a lot of employees who work for a company with legally binding contractual obligations that would prevent them from just creating new job requirements out of thin air.

 

[spat]

You can’t even acknowledge the SEAL lawsuit is about their religious exemption. You use it as your defense of saying the mandate is illegal.

A mandate with a religious exemption would be on very shaky ground indeed.

Hard to say "you cannot safely execute this job if you have a beard, unless you're a Sikh" for instance. The presence of the religious exemption proves that the mandate isn't necessary.

 

[Defilade]

You can’t even acknowledge the SEAL lawsuit is about their religious exemption. You use it as your defense of saying the mandate is illegal.

Yes I do acknowledge it. So are other things pertaining the mandate.

 

[Doc8404]

You can’t make me wear a mask either! Right?

US, Japan agree to keep troops on base to curb COVID spread

The restrictions starting Monday will last 14 days.

navtim.es

 

[Doc8404]

I truly think the mandates are bullshit.
I truly think masks are bullshit.
But when people act like at-will employment doesn’t exist, credibility goes down the shitter.

 

[kev74]

I truly think the mandates are bullshit.
I truly think masks are bullshit.
But when people act like at-will employment doesn’t exist, credibility goes down the shitter.

Being an at-will employee doesn't mean all workplace protections are out the window. You still can't discriminate based on religion, or medical condition that doesn't effect job performance - at least that's how it was supposed to work pre-clown world. Honk honk!!

 

[Doc8404]

Being an at-will employee doesn't mean all workplace protections are out the window. You still can't discriminate based on religion, or medical condition that doesn't effect job performance - at least that's how it was supposed to work pre-clown world. Honk honk!!

correct ADA, Title 7. Well versed in that. And don’t forget age discrimination which starts at age 40.

 

[Defilade]

There is a laundry list of things employees and employers can't do. I have to go through the Bullshut training all the time at work. Discrimination is a thing! BTW, What dumbass Employer would mandate something that tons of Doctors are on record warning about and with VAERS showing all the deaths and injuries in the thousands? You want to mandate what again?