Bill to ban bump stocks and binary triggers introduced

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Drinkthekoolaid said:
They look super fun I want one as well....it's on my list.

The absolute irony of NYSAFE is an SKS (in factory configuration) is totally legal in NY and it's a weapon of war.
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You know what else is crazy? Spelled backwards the SAFEACT is TCAEFAS or TCAEFASYN, which oddly enough, makes a whole lot more sense than the actual law does.
 
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Celt, You are 100% correct. How long until everything is banned? His rifles also had optics on them. How soon until these are banned by the political jerk offs? Slings? Bipods? Detachable mags? Semi Auto? If we think back to the UN SAFE 7 round capacity, it was not so arbitrary the M1 and SKS would be on the chopping block for holding too many "boolits" as well. There is evil in the world and to try to legislate and ban the tools evil people use is futile and dangerous, especially to freedom. The 1934 NFA has far less to do with a bunch of gangsters in NY and Chicago and more to do with the Coal Wars and controlling the people who might stand up for themselves.
 
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I see this is just another bit of ice on the proverbial slippery slope.

This is the logic I see the Left using to hoodwink an ignorant public:
We have banned machine guns.
So, we should ban accessories that can allow semi-automatic rifles fire as fast as machine guns.
Later: People seem to still to be able to bump fire without banned accessories. So, we need to ban semi-automatic rifles.
Later: People seem to be able to fire too fast from bolt-action rifles that have magazines. So, we need to ban rifles with removable magazines.
Later: People can still fire too fast, and reload fixed magazines too quickly with stripper clips. So, we need to ban all rifles that have magazines.
Later: Statistics show that even though all magazine-fed rifles have been banned gun homicides remain unacceptably high. Handguns seem to be the real problem. So, we need to ban all semi-automatic firearms.
Later: We still see too many gun deaths with the remaining pistols. We need to ban all pistols.

If such a slide into stupidity is allowed to occur, we'll be lucky if we're allowed to keep break-action shotguns.

My motto: Not one more inch. Not one more infringement.
 
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Bob said:
Well then Welcome. Sincerely.

Please don't let the suspicion scare you off. We are a naturally suspicious group of people (suspicious, not paranoid) and you have joined us at a difficult time. This suspicion has become ingrained in all of us, the result of decades of assault by politicians, news media, and elites who think they know better.

We are your doctors and nurses, your attorneys and judges, your police officers, firefighters, and EMS providers. We are your cashiers and toll-takers, your mechanics, engineers, and technicians. Every day, you pass dozens of us on the highways and stand in line with us at the cash registers. We touch nearly every demographic in this diverse nation. We are regular people just like you.

By and large, we are a safe, sane, and responsible group. But just like every other demographic, there are groups of gun owners who are either irresponsible or downright criminal. These people should not define us or give us a bad name, just as the occasional bad doctor should not reflect poorly on all doctors, or the occasional bad police officer should not reflect poorly on all police officers. We do not welcome people like this jackass in Las Vegas in our community. We disavow him and condemn his actions in the strongest terms possible. And then we all cringe and brace for the onslaught that history has proven is sure to come.

What you are seeing in this thread is just that. Politicians who don't know a charging handle from a carry handle purport to know what's best for all of us and move to ban the very tools that we rely upon to defend ourselves and our loved ones, and to put food on our tables.

Here's my personal take on the "bump fire" stock: It's useless. Its a novelty item. The only thing it's good for is to quickly and efficiently turn a great deal of money into a great deal of smoke and noise. It makes it difficult, if not impossible, to accurately deliver rounds on target. Yes, it allowed this dirtbag to deliver a large number of bullets in a short amount of time. But with the amount of time he had (72 minutes, I believe?) he would have been able to exact a MUCH higher death toll if he had utilized a much slower rate of fire and aimed. A relative novice delivering aimed fire at a rate of one round every 4-5 seconds should have been able to kill over 700 people.

And while I think that the particular accessory in question is stupid and useless, I am vehemently opposed to banning it. If they ban this accessory, what will they want to ban next? And then what? And then? Pretty soon, we'll be back to the days of the flintlock.

When a politician declares that it's "common-sense" to ban a firearm or a feature thereof, and asks gun owners to bend:
We bent when it was "common sense" to require registration of machine guns, suppressors, and short-barreled shotguns and rifles in 1934.
We bent when it was "common sense" to require licensing of manufacturers, importers, and dealers of firearms in 1938.
We bent when it was "common sense" to prohibit the interstate sale of firearms and to raise the age of handgun ownership in 1968.
We bent when it was "common sense" to prohibit the sale of new automatic firearms to civilians in 1986.
We bent when it was "common sense" to prohibit the manufacture or sale of firearms with less than 4 ounces of metal in 1988
We bent when it was "common sense" to prohibit parents from carrying a firearm while walking their kids to school in 1990.
We bent when it was "common sense" to require background checks on firearm purchases from dealers in 1990.
We bent when it was "common sense" to ban semiautomatic firearms with certain features in 1994.

Where do we draw the line? Quite frankly, we're tired of being the ones who are beaten by politicians every time something bad happens.

Let's start using some real common sense. Let's start prosecuting people who lie on background check forms when buying firearms for people they know aren't eligible to own them. Since 60% of firearms deaths in the united states are suicides, let's put some REAL ass behind improving the mental health systems in this country. Let's work on making sure that all of the states are feeding proper information into the background check system. Let's stop coddling criminals who have shown a propensity for violence.

I don't know of a single firearms owner who doesn't care about curing the ills of our society and leaving this world a better place for our children. Let's start going after the root causes of the problems, not the low-hanging fruit.
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CONFIRMED: Vegas Shooting Suspect Prescribed Dangerous Drugs – Just Like Many Previous Mass Shooters
The Las Vegas Review-Journal has obtained information that Stephen Paddock, the suspect in the largest mass shooting in modern US history was prescribed a powerful psychotropic drug called diazepam in June of this year, just under four months prior to the shooting.

This fits a a decades long trend among mass shooters and others who engage in cruel and unusual criminal acts being on powerful, yet legal psychotropic drugs.

This means that the Duran accurately predicted two crucial realities in respect of the suspect’s profile, first of all that there was a connection to Philippines where an almost identical shooting took place 4 months prior to the Vegas massacre and secondly, that suspect Stephen Paddock was likely taking powerful psychotropic drugs. Both of these claims have now been confirmed.

According to reports from Las Vegas journalists,

“Records from the Nevada Prescription Monitoring Program obtained Tuesday show Paddock was prescribed 50 10-milligram diazepam tablets by Henderson physician Dr. Steven Winkler on June 21. A woman who answered the phone at Winkler’s office would not make him available to answer questions and would neither confirm nor deny that Paddock was ever a patient.

Paddock purchased the drug — its brand name is Valium — without insurance at a Walgreens store in Reno on the same day it was prescribed. He was supposed to take one pill a day.

Diazepam is a sedative-hypnotic drug in the class of drugs known as benzodizepines, which studies have shown can trigger aggressive behaviour. Chronic use or abuse of sedatives such as diazepam can also trigger psychotic experiences, according to drugabuse.com”. more at ...
Vegas Shooter Given Dangerous Drugs - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com
 
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We should not be trading anything for legislation other than rescinding the restrictions we are forced to abide with.

Now is the time to aggressively counter the anti gun illiberal Communists.

We should march with loaded weapons right across the state and down to DC.
 
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I need to see Trump to step in. End the BS for once and for all.
I am sure a few things can be done in good faith but then all the other useless legislation
must be simply repealed and sealed with titanium walls.

How is trump doing on his contract with the American people ?
I am talking about the deliverables he promised.
 
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From ghoulies and ghosties
And long-leggedy beasties
And things that go bump in the night,
Good Lord, deliver us!
 
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meketrefe said:
btw the drugs do not make you do this. There is something else going on.
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The drugs don't make anyone do anything. They are however a cheap, quick band-aid that avoids drawn out and expensive therapy or institutionalization and kicks the can of mental illness down the road.


This guy likely told his doctor he had some kind of mental issue and got a prescription after a 10 minute office visit.
 
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Funny they call this a military style weapon. None of our branches of military use them?
 
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Husk said:
Thanks but you don't have to prove you're a badass to me. I could give less of a shit what you think about new guys. I just wanted your opinion and learn a bit more about people in the gun owning community.
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What a fucking douche! Can't understand why you guys feed trolls like this, we all seen it before! I'm interested, I'm here to learn, I'm curious... Newbie shows up, asks a bunch of questions then scurries off...

I'm not a brass, I'm a lover! I didn't say anything personal, other than about new guys, interestingly you flipped that, typical of a certain demographic without a doubt, that lashes out and ignores what was said. I gave you my opinion, you could have ignored me, but felt compelled to say something stupid.

Here's my advice, there is no shortcut! You want an education at others expense. There's no way to tell you anything, you need to learn the real way, but personal experience! Immerse yourself into the subject by going out and obtaining firearms yourself. Learn how to shoot, go shooting, meet people and educate yourself. One word of advice though, don't try your fucking smug attitude when you do, or you wont get any help there either. Some people in the community can smell crap a mile away, and you're stinking up the joint! Better yet, here's more advice, you want firearms experience, join the Armed Services!







I guarantee this guy won't be around in three weeks... Typical!
 
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Podmonkey said:
And as a few others have also said, I too would trade bumpfire stocks for the passage of the SHARE Act and national reciprocity.......... except that the vauge language of the proposed bill seems as though it may infringe on aftermarket trigger upgrades and that is not acceptable.
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I've seen this probably 1000 times tonight all over here and FaceBook.

I disagree, but more to the point I wonder if people forget about all the previous times we've been in this exact situation. When have they EVER said "let's make it an a la carte menu! Quid pro quo!"

NEVER!
 
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Darth said:
I've seen this probably 1000 times tonight all over here and FaceBook.

I disagree, but more to the point I wonder if people forget about all the previous times we've been in this exact situation. When have they EVER said "let's make it an a la carte menu! Quid pro quo!"

NEVER!
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There will be no tit for tat, therefore I oppose the legislation. But hypothetically if such a deal were on the table I'd take it. It doesn't matter, bumpfire stocks are almost certainly done for weather we like it or not.

But at least I had a nice day at the range today!
 
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Darth said:
I've seen this probably 1000 times tonight all over here and FaceBook.

I disagree, but more to the point I wonder if people forget about all the previous times we've been in this exact situation. When have they EVER said "let's make it an a la carte menu! Quid pro quo!"

NEVER!
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Which is part of the reason it would be a net win for us. I don't hold any faith that those yellow bitches in Congress will put up ANY fight for bump stocks. We need to get what we can out of this pile of shit cause, as I see it, the odds of getting out clean are zero.
 
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Darth said:
I've seen this probably 1000 times tonight all over here and FaceBook.

I disagree, but more to the point I wonder if people forget about all the previous times we've been in this exact situation. When have they EVER said "let's make it an a la carte menu! Quid pro quo!"

NEVER!
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Kind of like someone saying they will never take a gov. job and live off tax payers.... Oh wait.
 
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ass holes .. how about banning cocks .. there used in RAPES!!! ..

BTW i just bumped fired my over under 12ga ...
 
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