BREAKING: Texas mall "mass shooting" 5/06/23

[Deplorable Me]

The screws are loose!

"Right Wing Death Squad" patch on vest of Mauricio Garcia, TX mall shooter. - Democratic Underground Forums

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[DoOver]

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[Cavalry]

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Hard to tell form the picture though. It very well could be just the symbol for city of Dallas. If we are going with its Texas then the tat is also the logo for this body shop in Dallas. It has not been updated in years, but this is the owners head. Maybe the same dude, maybe not?

\Triple D Customs & Collision

 

[Jmac00]

The 2nd Amendment states that we have the right TO bear arms, not that we MUST bear arms. Additionally, there may have been armed persons in the vicinity that didn’t feel they would have been able to assist without injuring others.

None of us were there, and it’s easy to say what we would do in a situation without having actually been present. An armed populace, while (I think) is a good thing, is not a virtual guarantee that every bad actor will immediately be taken down by armed citizenry.

I'd tell what I would do, unless this guy was direct, imminent threat to me, or my family, Im running the other way.

But my point is basically, even though we have a right to carry, very few do. Its like the exact opposite of what the left/liberals think was going to happen

 

[Deplorable Me]

Enough nuts to fill a hardware store.

What we know about the slain Texas mall massacre suspect Mauricio Garcia (NBC) - Democratic Underground Forums

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[DoOver]

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Rumor

 

[Cavalry]

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He made no effort to disguise himself and drove his own car. He knew this was going to be a one way trip. It will be interesting to see if he left any "writings" and if they will be released or hidden for "public safety"

 

[Steal2B]

Left wing media is full throttle spinning this tragedy

The are not covering facts inconsistent with their pre conceived narrative

For example
Few mention he was discharged from the army for mental issues

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Few mention he was raised in a Spanish only speaking household (the FBI need interpreter) since they are painting him as a neo Nazi

 

[rushmore]

I'd tell what I would do, unless this guy was direct, imminent threat to me, or my family, Im running the other way.

But my point is basically, even though we have a right to carry, very few do. Its like the exact opposite of what the left/liberals think was going to happen

well that’s the problem though isn’t it?

we can’t make the “good guy with a gun argument” because even with constitutional carry states we aren’t seeing people step up to take down shooters enough. sure, it may happen once or twice, and they are heroes for doing so, but it doesn’t happen enough because not everyone wants to carry.

on the flip side, the people who DO want to buy once the laws get looser sadly end up being the mentally ill or those with a grudge or criminal elements. I don’t know how we solve for it

 

[Acer-m14]

if Texas is a constitutional carry state, why is no one carrying a firearm when in public???

Dallas is a Gun Free Zone ..

 

[Deplorable Me]

Huh?

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[spat]

well that’s the problem though isn’t it?

we can’t make the “good guy with a gun argument” because even with constitutional carry states we aren’t seeing people step up to take down shooters enough. sure, it may happen once or twice, and they are heroes for doing so, but it doesn’t happen enough because not everyone wants to carry.

on the flip side, the people who DO want to buy once the laws get looser sadly end up being the mentally ill or those with a grudge or criminal elements. I don’t know how we solve for it

This *was* stopped by a good guy with a gun.

99% of these don't stop until a good guy with a gun intervenes.

The problem is usually that the good guy doesn't get there *soon enough* (see Uvdale).

When the good guy *does* get there fast enough, they frequently don't progress far enough to even *be* a mass shooting. (See mall of America).

An off duty cop qualifies as a good guy with a gun.

 

[subsonic]

yeah, maybe two hard working, tax paying, american loving persons. quick reactions w/o thinking what do they fix seriously?

You and Rushmore and other weak fools on the “right” (if you even claim to be) are why our country is where it’s at today.

They did not even bother to learn their language and they spawned and housed a spree killer. Whatever “job” they are doing can be done by AMERICANS after they are shipped back to their OWN country, if not to prison for violating immigration laws or being accessories to multiple murders.

This is why we are not a serious nation. What other country could illegal invaders with no working knowledge of the national tongue breed and house a spree killer and expect no consequences? (And give citizenship to any children born on the invaded soil.)

You know who is jumping to conclusions? The national media that is rushing to paint this Mexican as a white supremacist right-wing Nazi when his parents are unassimilated Spanish-speaking Mexicans and his only identified victim so far is a random white man. And who apparently has Mexican gang tattoos.

 

[fresch]

But but, how else are we going to get the sheep to vote their rights away?
Herr huckster would have protected them if they were in ny.

 

[RedBreast21]

if Texas is a constitutional carry state, why is no one carrying a firearm when in public???

It's Dallas. Deep blue city so the TX law allows private property owners to ban possession of firearms on their property. I'm sure that is part of the issue.

 

[meketrefe]

It's Dallas. Deep blue city so the TX law allows private property owners to ban possession of firearms on their property. I'm sure that is part of the issue.

ir could have happened anywhere even on the highway. that heartless thug was on a role

 

[rushmore]

This *was* stopped by a good guy with a gun.

99% of these don't stop until a good guy with a gun intervenes.

The problem is usually that the good guy doesn't get there *soon enough* (see Uvdale).

When the good guy *does* get there fast enough, they frequently don't progress far enough to even *be* a mass shooting. (See mall of America).

An off duty cop qualifies as a good guy with a gun.

It wasn’t stopped by a civilian, which was the original point I was replying to. It was an off duty cop who would have been armed anyways, before constitutional carry was passed.

I agree with you though, the “good guy with a gun” rarely if ever gets there fast enough, therefore it isn’t a solid argument.

 

[mark60]

The mall also had a no weapons policy.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

It wasn’t stopped by a civilian, which was the original point I was replying to. It was an off duty cop who would have been armed anyways, before constitutional carry was passed.

I agree with you though, the “good guy with a gun” rarely if ever gets there fast enough, therefore it isn’t a solid argument.

This is terrible logic. Complete fallacy.

Good guys with guns constantly stop crimes. In fact they are so effective it rarely makes news or is under reported due to lack of interest because they kill a scumbag before they have a chance to do too much damage.

Even still, let's flip it to the point you were trying to make. Even if a good guy with a gun isn't fast enough and 10 people are killed but that good guy shows up and prevents people from 11-30 being killed isn't that still a win? The good guy limited a bad situation from being worse. They can't save everyone they are not Superman or Superwoman but they can save some. Isn't that better than not having them around? No one rational is advocating this argument that good guys with guns are the silver bullet to prevent all crime fatalities. It's not realistic.

And it's also entirely possible the mall was a "gun free zone". Just because a state is constitutional carry doesn't mean there are not nuances within that state that create gun free zones where "no gun signs" carry force of law and we all now what type of environment that creates. So you can't blame good guys with guns for not being able to stop a criminal in an area that they are not allowed to legally possess guns.

 

[dwa12479]

The 2nd Amendment states that we have the right TO bear arms, not that we MUST bear arms. Additionally, there may have been armed persons in the vicinity that didn’t feel they would have been able to assist without injuring others.

None of us were there, and it’s easy to say what we would do in a situation without having actually been present. An armed populace, while (I think) is a good thing, is not a virtual guarantee that every bad actor will immediately be taken down by armed citizenry.

Very much agreed. The first time I ever REALLY thought about a scenario where I would have to seriously think about NOT drawing and returning fire was the Colorado movie theater shooting in 2012. Its dark, innocents everywhere, tear gas clouds rising... nightmare scenario for a good guy with a gun. Id have a very hard time coping with the killing of an innocent bystander in my crossfire.

 

[mark60]

Very much agreed. The first time I ever REALLY thought about a scenario where I would have to seriously think about NOT drawing and returning fire was the Colorado movie theater shooting in 2012. Its dark, innocents everywhere, tear gas clouds rising... nightmare scenario for a good guy with a gun. Id have a very hard time coping with the killing of an innocent bystander in my crossfire.

That was my turning point too. Also the possibility of anyone else mistaking me for the primary target and taking me out.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Perp lived at home with his parents. Parents had to ask for translator.

Guess that only is related to Rome. Speak the language or get the fuck out of here.

 

[Dr. Evil]

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Evidence? They don't need no stinkin' evidence.

 

[Vinson57]

I would always carry when taking the wife shopping. The stores she goes to that I do not like, I sit outside in more or less an overwatch toward the store entrances. But with Whorechuls CCIA which 2nd Circuit is sitting on, makes in not legal.

I was a military unit working as a contractor and giving a class. The students said, there may be something happening and just to follow them outside. Some shooting occurred in the building and it was obvious it was blanks. They ran out the classroom door went right and out the exit. I walked and looked outside and seen none of them but a big empty field and no cover. Good lets stand her and wait for the active shooter to see only me. My problem is I have a nerve problem and can no longer run. So to me, I need myself a gun at all times and the Government says no.

 

[Dr. Evil]

If you can't snap your fingers and magically have EVERY gun spontaneously combust and disappear, to erase any firearms from being in society (not that I would want that), the "gun control" argument is a mute point IMHO. The ONLY answer is for law abiding citizens to have a firearm and do their best to stop the threat from happening when ever evil and insanity rears its ugly head. More guns in the hands of the citizens, not less. Enough already. Criminals take note. You play stupid games you will win stupid prizes. THEY need to be afraid of the average citizen.

 

[RedBreast21]

The mall also had a no weapons policy.

Well there you have it. Law abiding citizens living in Dallas that might have been armed, follow the law. I wonder if anyone will seek out to interview any of them that were at the mall? Nah.

 

[repete]

It wasn’t stopped by a civilian, which was the original point I was replying to. It was an off duty cop who would have been armed anyways, before constitutional carry was passed.

I agree with you though, the “good guy with a gun” rarely if ever gets there fast enough, therefore it isn’t a solid argument.

Cops are civilians.

 

[spat]

Well there you have it. Law abiding citizens living in Dallas that might have been armed, follow the law. I wonder if anyone will seek out to interview any of them that were at the mall? Nah.

People should sue the mall. That policy makes them sitting ducks.

Lots of people.

Even if they lose, it puts places on notice that the sign is *not* the way to reduce liability.

 

[Acer-m14]

Mauricio Garcia a Mexican was a white Supremist LOL