Bringing a non-compliant AR to a training event.
- Thread starter Ikeman83
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That is the million dollar question, that even our all knowing and powerful dear legislators forgot to write into the law.
For you the simpliest and easiest method would be to remove your mag release and install a mag lock. Dependent on who you ask you will get different answers if that alone is sufficient or not. The state Gestapo (err troopers) seem to be of the mind set the Allen screw on said mag lock needs to be epoxied to prevent it from ever being removed. Others say just the lock itself is enough.
The truth is, no one knows, and no one wants to be the first court case specifically to test it.
Will you be shooting off a bi-pod or front rest? If so a spur might work for you, but the muzzle break is you other problem!
I said no where more than 300 yds...
Their hp match is a rare closure where they shoot across the club to get the additional 300 yards.
That's also a club, and not a range with steel every 30-ish yards from 100 to 800 yds with 1000 yd targets.
Don't get too defensive...
It sounds like you are legit and genuine.
We get trolled occasionally or sometimes even by an undercover to try and bait people into saying or giving advice on how to illegally break gun laws. That's why you've gotten some snarky responses.
Uzi
.308 Win
The MR2 is designed specifically for the magazine to be able to detach and accept another magazine for its use. Not a good example, just someone misinformed.
Uzi
.308 Win
Ha! like sitting on a bench looking through a scope for hours kind of shooting? Yeah, those quick mag dumps and reloads are definitely needed. I've also heard that a loaded fixed magazine rifle is not able to hurt anyone during self defense inside the home. Reason being 10 rounds is not enough, and since you cannot reload with normal magazines, it's just useless. The laws of physics actually change once the magazine is fixed I've heard. Shotguns are the same way since they typically can't hold 10 rounds and don't typically use detachable magazines. Mine as well toss them in the trash.
Ha! like sitting on a bench looking through a scope for hours kind of shooting? Yeah, those quick mag dumps and reloads are definitely needed. I've also heard that a loaded fixed magazine rifle is not able to hurt anyone during self defense inside the home. Reason being 10 rounds is not enough, and since you cannot reload with normal magazines, it's just useless. The laws of physics actually change once the magazine is fixed I've heard. Shotguns are the same way since they typically can't hold 10 rounds and don't typically use detachable magazines. Mine as well toss them in the trash.
Especially with these on the marker..
MA Loader for AR-15 | Mean Arms
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Fuckin' exactly!
They arent ideal but they can be used. Just like a shotgun is subpar with other options on the market
Very different. A shotgun you can load as you shoot topping off as necessary, shooting as necessary. A fixed mag AR needs to be taken out of service to load, if you need to clear a malfunction you are screwed. I don't even consider stripper clips to be very viable. I have never used a stripper clip that wasn't a fumble fuck to use. The only fixed mag rifle I can see being practical still is the Garand. The M1 Garand has the fastest reload of any self loading action out there. In NYS a Garand that has been shortened to a 16" barrel is still a top tier option.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
I can defend my house with a baseball bat, too but- it's a stupid idea.
I'm not saying it's great or even my first choice, hell shotguns are also to me in the same catagory as a fixed mag AR for home defense.
A good quality non poor AR with quality mag and ammo shouldnt have that many malfunctions, less likely than short stroking a pump shotgun or fumbled reloads with a shotgun hell the new "stripper clip" type loaders keep the gun in action to top off and are more intuitive than trying to top off shells in a tube
There are enough better options available that using a fixed mag setup for SD/HD is silly.
Save it for the range.
I agree but at the same time if someone somehow only has one thing it would still work just like an Ithaca 12g with deer slayer. It can still kill someone
But to try and shoe horn in malfunctions like they happen at crazy high numbers (when talking about a well built and maintained rifle/pistol and ammo. Not some bull shit 200 wish build) as a reason to not have a fixed mag is kind of moot
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
When limited to a 10 Rd magazine the ability to reload quickly and reliably is crucial. Assuming there are no malfunctions, a person running a Thorden, Ares, Mini 14, Saiga, or a Keltec can reliably put more rounds downrange than someone with a fixed magazine even if using a bearclaw stripper clip.
A stripper clip requires fine motor skills under stress where a regular magazine release and a big ole magazine and magwell do not. You also don't have to break your grip to drop a magazine and insert another one where a bearclaw would require you to do so if your are a righty.
Can it work? Possibly. Is it ideal? No. Not even a little bit unless you use the gun as a disposable item with multiple fixed mag rifles by your side and that's just silly. All this is done for looks at the cost of reliability for defense.
If magazine capacity wasn't an issue and malfunctions weren't an issue, a 30 Rd fixed magazine AR could be almost okay but even then, it isn't 100 percent.
A stripper clip requires fine motor skills under stress where a regular magazine release and a big ole magazine and magwell do not. You also don't have to break your grip to drop a magazine and insert another one where a bearclaw would require you to do so if your are a righty.
Can it work? Possibly. Is it ideal? No. Not even a little bit unless you use the gun as a disposable item with multiple fixed mag rifles by your side and that's just silly. All this is done for looks at the cost of reliability for defense.
If magazine capacity wasn't an issue and malfunctions weren't an issue, a 30 Rd fixed magazine AR could be almost okay but even then, it isn't 100 percent.
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Not really, more like it has been extended.
Having established that a noncompliant gun cannot be used in NYS we are now discussing alternatives.
@Ikeman83, long story short, compliant options suck, even legal detachable magazine setups are limited to 10 rounds. Stay away from NY. Unless you bring enough napalm to burn the whole motherfucker down.
subsonic
.44 mag
I appreciate an actual case here. Even if this was tossed at the grand jury level, used a device that apparently can mechanically release the magazine (I'm struggling to even find anything online about the MR2; much has been scrubbed), stemmed from a violent felony warrant and there were various other criminal offenses involved, it is a real "accept a detachable magazine" case, and not just rumors. "Would have been convicted" might be a stretch, but "would have gone to a jury" looks likely.
Do you have links/details on the "confiscated" bit, especially for a conventional magazine lock, that doesn't have any release features?
Phazer
.338 Win Mag
No I don't. Just the Albion gun shop mess several years ago, and a couple people in my area had their rifles confiscated. One of them was from out of town and brought in a cx4 which is clearly non compliant, the other had an ar with an armr2. They probably wouldn't have had any issues, but we're trespassing and charged with reckless endangerment for hitting someone's house.
No, I am not aware of any case where somebody has gotten arrested or confiscated using a regular magazine lock, epoxied or not. My guess is a prosecutor would be afraid to take the case unless there was a bunch of other add on charges that could be used for plea bargaining.
subsonic
.44 mag
Just to get this straight (all videos and product listings seem to be removed/gone, and discontinued); the MR2 let you quickly drop the mag when you hinged the upper open, right?
Yes
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
The provisions provided to you would be bracelets, a free ride, free housing, and free meals in the prison mess hall.
No provisions for out of state people bringing illegal firearms to a training event. You maybe able to rent one though.