Cali gives the go ahead to secessionists!
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Phazer
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I'm all for it.
I don't think we should let them secede, though...we should kick them out of the union.
I don't think we should let them secede, though...we should kick them out of the union.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Maybe the state can be saved if they give the voters an option to banish liberal loon leeches somewhere well south of the southern border and ensure that only legal voters with enhanced identification get to cast a ballot?
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Nope. Too late for California. The state is a majority non-American-born citizens, now. Most of those "citizens" have more of an allegiance to the nation that they left than the nation in which they live. They've imported their socialist ways with them.
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Tinman
.308 Win
They should rejoin Mexico.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
NEVER happen, you heard it here first...Just like splitting NY.
I say we should detach NYC, Chicago, DC and every other liberal shithole and glom them all onto kali and cut those fuckers loose. Set up camera around the border perimeter so we can watch the commies eat each other when their economy completely implodes.
Please let it happen .
This may be the trigger event.
This may be the trigger event.
Depick
.308 Win
Didn’t we fight a war about something similar?
Absolutely no reason at all to fight a war over those dipshits.
Goodbye kali, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out!
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
My thoughts exactly.
Depick
.308 Win
Well if it works with California maybe we could do the same with NYC
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
However unlikely it is to actually happen, it's a step in the right direction. The social/political climate is ripe for this sort of thing. Yes, I believe we are that divided.
Just let it happen, work out all the incredible details and let it happen. Everyone will be happier and foreign powers will be less involved than there would be in a civil war.
Wish wish we could make them take NYC, Portland, Seattle! Austin, All of Mass, NJ, HI, CT and CO.
Depick
.308 Win
I agree the pot has been sufficiently stirred.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I agree. Let this be an outlet for most, if not all the division. There is no shame in letting the country evolve in a way that best represents the will of the people.
Shadow2
6.5 Creedmoor
Considering we can't give up the west coast for security reasons and we historically don't take this sort of thing lightly its not going to happen. At minimum California will split into north south and the sliver that's been mapped out as California will be come a DMZ with a border wall.
If they do split from the US the north would fight the south, I as an American would ask my government to refrain from getting involved in foreign affairs. The insurgency would surely be interesting. Once the smoke clears the obvious victor would ask to be part of the US. I mean you cant win a civil war when your populace is not armed.
If they do split from the US the north would fight the south, I as an American would ask my government to refrain from getting involved in foreign affairs. The insurgency would surely be interesting. Once the smoke clears the obvious victor would ask to be part of the US. I mean you cant win a civil war when your populace is not armed.
Ah BuBye!! Now!
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
if they succeed .... the first fire it will be one empty piece of land ..
masterswimmer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
From the article:
"As the Yes California group gears up, another initiative to break up California into three separate states is also taking shape. That plan, backed by Silicon Valley billionaire Tim Draper, would create a northern California state with San Francisco at its core, another state near Los Angeles and a third that covers the Central Valley as well as San Diego."
This is the scenario with the most plausibility. With this scenario playing out it would be like having three New York States where each 'state' is controlled by NYC libs. They would increase their Congressional and Senatorial representation in DC and those electoral votes would swing close presidential elections to the left.
Splitting Crappyfornia into three would be a death sentence for the rest of the country.
"As the Yes California group gears up, another initiative to break up California into three separate states is also taking shape. That plan, backed by Silicon Valley billionaire Tim Draper, would create a northern California state with San Francisco at its core, another state near Los Angeles and a third that covers the Central Valley as well as San Diego."
This is the scenario with the most plausibility. With this scenario playing out it would be like having three New York States where each 'state' is controlled by NYC libs. They would increase their Congressional and Senatorial representation in DC and those electoral votes would swing close presidential elections to the left.
Splitting Crappyfornia into three would be a death sentence for the rest of the country.
Allowing the territory to be removed form the United States is unacceptable. If they do not like our Freedom they can move to a tyrannical Country. But the Land is OURS.
Besides, Acer is right. The first summer fire, once they no longer have the backing of the United States, and there won't BE a population there. It'll be a burnt out wasteland ready for colonization by Conservative Americans from the western/central areas of the Country.
And the speculation that breaking up Cali into three parts would forever push the Federal politics to the left is conjecture. The whole reason for the break up is that the other regions do not agree with the far left leanings of the LA area. The two new regions would not vote in lock-step with the fascists, they would be, at worst, "moderate" Democrats willing to compromise and uphold the Constitution.
Besides, Acer is right. The first summer fire, once they no longer have the backing of the United States, and there won't BE a population there. It'll be a burnt out wasteland ready for colonization by Conservative Americans from the western/central areas of the Country.
And the speculation that breaking up Cali into three parts would forever push the Federal politics to the left is conjecture. The whole reason for the break up is that the other regions do not agree with the far left leanings of the LA area. The two new regions would not vote in lock-step with the fascists, they would be, at worst, "moderate" Democrats willing to compromise and uphold the Constitution.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
So....it's a win.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I think it will go further than it ever has. I think the liberals want to split and the conservatives want to split. I think it will pass in Cali, but they are not the one that make that decision. The feds need to weigh in on it and I don’t see it passing the fed test. I think Trump might support it, but others no.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Stranger things have happened. I mean, we are on the verge of a peace treaty in Korea.
JohnD13
.357 mag
Without federal money, California on it's own would soon look like Somalia.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
At that time, however, there was an overwhelming benefit to maintaining the union. At this point, there may be more benefit to dissolving the union peacefully.
I think a peaceful mutual divorce will have a preferred outcome over the path this country is currently on.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Old, but still pertinent:
______________________________
DIVORCE AGREEMENT
Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al: We have stuck together since the late 1950’s for the sake of the kids, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course.
Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right for us all, so let’s just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.
Here is a model separation agreement:
–Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.
–We don’t like redistributive taxes so you can keep them.
–You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU.
–Since you hate guns and war, we’ll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military.
–We’ll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and you can go with wind, solar and biodiesel.
–You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O’Donnell. You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them.
–We’ll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street.
–You can have your beloved lifelong welfare dwellers, food stamps, homeless, homeboys, hippies, druggies and illegal aliens.
–We’ll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO’s and rednecks.
–We’ll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .
–You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we’ll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us.
–You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we’ll help provide them security.
–We’ll keep our Judeo-Christian values.
–You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political correctness and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N. but we will no longer be paying the bill.
–We’ll keep the SUV’s, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Volt and Leaf you can find.
–You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors.
–We’ll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right.
–We’ll keep “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” and “The National Anthem.”
–I’m sure you’ll be happy to substitute “Imagine”, “I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing”, “Kum Ba Ya” or “We Are the World”.
–We’ll practice trickle-down economics and you can continue to give trickle up poverty your best shot.
–Since it often so offends you, we’ll keep our history, our name and our flag.
______________________________
DIVORCE AGREEMENT
Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al: We have stuck together since the late 1950’s for the sake of the kids, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course.
Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right for us all, so let’s just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.
Here is a model separation agreement:
–Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.
–We don’t like redistributive taxes so you can keep them.
–You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU.
–Since you hate guns and war, we’ll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military.
–We’ll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and you can go with wind, solar and biodiesel.
–You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O’Donnell. You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them.
–We’ll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street.
–You can have your beloved lifelong welfare dwellers, food stamps, homeless, homeboys, hippies, druggies and illegal aliens.
–We’ll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO’s and rednecks.
–We’ll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .
–You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we’ll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us.
–You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we’ll help provide them security.
–We’ll keep our Judeo-Christian values.
–You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political correctness and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N. but we will no longer be paying the bill.
–We’ll keep the SUV’s, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Volt and Leaf you can find.
–You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors.
–We’ll continue to believe healthcare is a luxury and not a right.
–We’ll keep “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” and “The National Anthem.”
–I’m sure you’ll be happy to substitute “Imagine”, “I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing”, “Kum Ba Ya” or “We Are the World”.
–We’ll practice trickle-down economics and you can continue to give trickle up poverty your best shot.
–Since it often so offends you, we’ll keep our history, our name and our flag.
If California secedes, everyone there will want to immigrate to the U.S.