CIA-Backed Medical Experiments on Danish Orphans

[Mosinitis]

Another CIA dirty secret comes to light.

CIA-backed secret experiments conducted on hundreds of Danish orphans – documentary

The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) allegedly backed secret experiments into schizophrenia on 311 Danish children, many adopted or from orphanages, during the early 1960s, according to a newly released documentary.

www.rt.com

 

[tirwin1]

I wonder.....did the russians ever do experiments on people?

 

[Mosinitis]

I wonder.....did the russians ever do experiments on people?

In Orthodox Christian faith mistreatment of an orphan is one of the biggest sins.

 

[tirwin1]

In Orthodox Christian faith mistreatment of an orphan is one of the biggest sins.

As if that has any relevance to the godless communists that ruled the soviet union. Say, didn't the commies try to stamp out religion in russia?

 

[fresch]

From the people who brought you kawanza.

 

[Mosinitis]

As if that has any relevance to the godless communists that ruled the soviet union. Say, didn't the commies try to stamp out religion in russia?

Traditional values that come from faith don't go away even if one no longer a believer.

 

[SomeSoldier]

Traditional values that come from faith don't go away even if one no longer a believer.

I don't think that is right, I could just point the US as an example. Less and less people believe in a faith and we are quickly losing our morals.

 

[holdover]

Numerous experiments which were performed on human test subjects in the United States are considered unethical, because they were illegally performed or they were performed without the knowledge, consent, or informed consent of the test subjects. Such tests were performed throughout American history, but most of them were performed during the 20th century. The experiments included the exposure of humans to many chemical and biological weapons (including infections with deadly or debilitating diseases), human radiation experiments, injections of toxic and radioactive chemicals, surgical experiments, interrogation and torture experiments, tests which involved mind-altering substances, and a wide variety of other experiments. Many of these tests were performed on children,[1] the sick, and mentally disabled individuals, often under the guise of "medical treatment". In many of the studies, a large portion of the subjects were poor, racial minorities, or prisoners.

Many of these experiments violated US law. Some others were sponsored by government agencies or rogue elements thereof, including the Centers for Disease Control, the United States military, and the Central Intelligence Agency, or they were sponsored by private corporations which were involved in military activities.[2][3][4] The human research programs were usually highly secretive and performed without the knowledge or authorization of Congress, and in many cases information about them was not released until many years after the studies had been performed.

Unethical human experimentation in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Mosinitis]

I don't think that is right, I could just point the US as an example. Less and less people believe in a faith and we are quickly losing our morals.

I am not talking about morals. I am talking about specific teachings that form a culture. Catholic church for example tolerated and covered up abuse of children for decades. It wasn't an important concern in that faith.

 

[dsdmmat]

All governments are inherently evil. Unfortunately they are a necessary evil.

 

[tirwin1]

Traditional values that come from faith don't go away even if one no longer a believer.

Your hero stalin was as anti-religion as they come. He had no traditional values unless you count murder as one.

 

[Mosinitis]

Your hero stalin was as anti-religion as they come. He had no traditional values unless you count murder as one.

Stalin was educated in theological seminary. Destruction of churches and murders of priests actually curtailed under Stalin. During the Nazi invasion Stalin ordered Nationwide prayers for victory. On family values Stalin was very traditional.

 

[SomeSoldier]

I am not talking about morals. I am talking about specific teachings that form a culture. Catholic church for example tolerated and covered up abuse of children for decades. It wasn't an important concern in that faith.

Ok, so values, which we are losing. Guns are bad and I list this because it was part of our values, family bad, mother and father in the same house bad, teaching for critical thinking bad, patriotism bad, biology bad, Constitution bad. These are all things we are losing.

 

[tirwin1]

Speaking of traditional "values" it looks like russia hasn't changed very much.

Russian court extends jail term for Gulag historian to 15 years

A Russian court on Monday added two more years to a 13-year jail sentence for historian Yuri Dmitriev, in a sex abuse case that his supporters say was trumped up to punish him for uncovering mass graves of Stalin's Gulags.

www.reuters.com

 

[Mosinitis]

Speaking of traditional "values" it looks like russia hasn't changed very much.

Russian court extends jail term for Gulag historian to 15 years

A Russian court on Monday added two more years to a 13-year jail sentence for historian Yuri Dmitriev, in a sex abuse case that his supporters say was trumped up to punish him for uncovering mass graves of Stalin's Gulags.

www.reuters.com

There are two stories here. One is sexual abuse of a child. He was tried in court and found guilty.
The other story is new Russian law on foreign agents, similar to US law.
Memorial is paid from abroad and its research is tainted accordingly.
Exaggerations, fake stats and fabrications were weaponized against Soviet Union, which lead to its destruction.
60-25 million people didn't die in Stalin's purges. These numbers are no longer floated but the damage has been done.

 

[tirwin1]

Exaggerations, fake stats and fabrications were weaponized against Soviet Union, which lead to its destruction.
60-25 million people didn't die in Stalin's purges. These numbers are no longer floated but the damage has been done.

Right...because the soviet union didn't exaggerate or publish fake statistics of their own. Think that might have led to its destruction?

Ah yes. The death count of the purges is exaggerated. Just how many deaths were required to create the communist utopia?

 

[spat]

CIA and KGB have both always been agents of evil.

CIA was always sneakier about it.

KGB more brutal.

They did the same evil things for the same evil reasons. The only differences were stylistic. The US always went for more finesse and the soviets more brute force.

It's as if the differences between the AR and the AK carried over into the intelligence institutions.

 

[Mosinitis]

CIA and KGB have both always been agents of evil.

CIA was always sneakier about it.

KGB more brutal.

They did the same evil things for the same evil reasons. The only differences were stylistic. The US always went for more finesse and the soviets more brute force.

It's as if the differences between the AR and the AK carried over into the intelligence institutions.

If you say so.

 

[Blimey]

I wonder.....did the russians ever do experiments on people?

Yes, but it was for the greater good, comrade.

Poison laboratory of the Soviet secret services - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Blimey]

Traditional values that come from faith don't go away even if one no longer a believer.

True. I remember the gulags covered at length in the book of Matthew. The Soviet gulags were nothing if not closely rooted in Christian faith. Stalin read the old and new testaments at least once a year. A truly God-fearing and loving soul.

 

[Blimey]

If you say so.

Gosh, he threw you quite a bone on that one—take the win. If you expect anybody here to agree the KGB are some sort of benevolent protector you have the wrong audience.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Did they run out of puppies?

 

[Mosinitis]

Yes, but it was for the greater good, comrade.

Poison laboratory of the Soviet secret services - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Per article these were tried on people sentenced to death and used against the enemies, not unsuspecting inocent orphans.

 

[Mosinitis]

At least Soviet Union had ideals. Misguided or unachievable but they had them. The West has none.

 

[Celt]

At least Soviet Union had ideals. Misguided or unachievable but they had them. The West has none.

I was staying out of this, but this is a ridiculous statement. No ideals???? Whats the Constitution and BOR then??? Seriously man, if its so bad here, why are you still here and not in Russia?

As to the topic, i dont think youll find many patriotic Americans that have blind faith in any of our intelligence agencies.

 

[Mosinitis]

I was staying put of this, but this is a ridiculous statement. No ideals???? Whats the Constitution and BOR then??? Seriously man, if its so bad here, why are you still here and not in Russia?

As to the topic, i dont think youll find many patriotic Americans that have blind faith in any of our intelligence agencies.

Bring back Soviet Union to go back to or shut the fuck up. ..... and if you believe Constitition is being followed, then stop winning about it's not being followed.

 

[Mosinitis]

One of the ideals is to shit all over the world but never take the responsibility.

 

[Celt]

Bring back Soviet Union to go back to or shut the fuck up. ..... and if you believe Constitition is being followed, then stop winning about it's not being followed.

Lol, stop deflecting. We're talking about ideals, which is exactly what the Constitution and Bill of Rights is all about. Just because today's society is not fully living up them doesn't mean the ideals are not real.

 

[Celt]

One of the ideals is to shit all over the world but never take the responsibility.

Here is a simple reality of world politics, you are either the big kid on the block, or the one who has to deal with the big kid. Id prefer America to be the big kid rather than any other socialist/communist nation.

You cant fight human nature, and a utopia is not possible. When the world was smaller and you had small villages a communal system of life was possible/manageable, but not on the scale things are today.

Im not saying our govt is honest, trustworthy, etc.. we all know they have and will continue to do fucked up things that we dont agree with, but the IDEALS this country was founded on are better than any other country in the world if you value individual liberty.

Sadly, the whole world is spiraling down the drain and heading towards a totalitarian one world govt.... unless enough people say ENOUGH and do something about it.

 

[Mosinitis]

Lol, stop deflecting. We're talking about ideals, which is exactly what the Constitution and Bill of Rights is all about. Just because today's society is not fully living up them doesn't mean the ideals are not real.

When were these ideals followed? During slavery? During segregation? During Mccarthyism?