And what it's currently preventing every banger, etc. from currently getting guns?
Columbia County Felon Indicted Of Weapons Charges !
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
If the crime committed by such gangbangers is so heinous that he or she cannot be trusted to have firearms because they are a danger to society, then they shouldn't be allowed to be in society at all where they can obtain a firearm or drug from the same black market they used to obtain the firearm and or drugs in the first place.
Absolutely nothing stops them from getting the same stolen Glock and cocaine from the back of a trunk that put them in jail in the first place.
The same applies to the mentally deficient. If they cannot get a gun through a gun shop, they can use a knife, make their own gun, or utilize the black market to get one.
Those that are a danger to society shouldn't be in society. Period.
Joe Blow
.45 acp
If a felon or anyone who cannot legally purchase a firearm wants one all they need is money and someone who will make an illegal sale. But it shouldn't be made easier or legal for them to obtain any firearm.
Joe Blow
.45 acp
Agreed...
It's not made any easier or more difficult for them. It's made more difficult for everyone else, while providing no benefit.
Yes, Will said keep the bad people out of society, not screw over the good people with this security theater of the NICS system.
Joe Blow
.45 acp
So in all your long term earthly wisdom what is the solution?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Keep them locked up until they are deemed to be trusted to not be a danger to society. It's pretty simple actually.
There should not be special rules for them to follow. Serving time in prison for their crimes is too pay a debt to society... If he did his time, all Rights should be there for him.
I your eyes, because mistakes were made in the past, one should not be able to feed his family or protect them?
Serious question...
Should this same felon be forced to give up all of his rights?
The First
The Third
The Forth and The Fifth?
Why just one Right?
I say either lock them up forever or let them exercise their Rights.
One or the other!
I appreciate the kind words, and as for my solution, eliminating NICS would be a good start, and then go after things like the GCA and NFA. That's on the national level though, this is after getting rid of SAFE and the NY Pistol Permit scheme.
This often leads to "well the 2A is the dangerous one", the exact mantra of the left.
When confronted, it's interesting to see how quickly the right is actually the same as the left on most issues.
Felon should be able to get a gun that's some Bull shit . Your a felon you knew that you would loss some of your right if you commit a felony and you chose to do it anyway. Suck my ass. You went to jail that's what happen to felons and when you get out your still a felon, you can't own a gun, you can't vote, you can't hold a state professional licences, and you are disqualified from holding public office and some civil service jobs. You knew all that be for you committed your crime.
So if you can't do the time don't do the crime.
So if you can't do the time don't do the crime.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
lost all her rights ... from some one who found a gun that was stolen knowing he is a felon and cant touch one ... so everyone on the fkin pier should have been armed and shot his ass up like Swiss cheese ... when the assholes know everyone around them is packing they scurry like little rats .. ..
where is the back ground check to rent a home depot truck, finger prints , 10 day waiting , 250 dollar renters permit ( non refundable ) ???? did you see that in the news ..
your barking up the "I'm 2A BUT!!!! Tree ... @zzrguy @Joe Blow
Your mistaken they did not lose their rights they forfeited them by committing a felony.
Should they be aloud to vote or hold a professional licences. How about the day they are released from jail their criminal conviction and arrest be erased like it never happen. Cause like it been said they did their time.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
so why can't they get there gun rights back too
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
NYSP bust into your house and bust up your gambling poker game .. you got a felony charge .. do your 3 to 5 and get out .. .. you get all your rights back but not the 2A .. thats bullshit .. you kill some one .. you shouldn't get out at all ...
Your now talking about imagratoin issues. How does it compare. Ok let see how about a 10 day waiting period on buying a knife and getting a background check. But wait you could go to outback and get a knife for free. Would that have stopped the guy in London. No why cause they don't have a law about it.
Wait how about we now do a background check before you can get a driver's license and a 10 day waiting period . Would that have stopped the asshole in Charletville Va. No it would have.
So back on topic you commit a felony you forfeit some of your rights you knew it before you did it and did it anyway.
See you rent a truck and kill some innocent people you get shot and killed. See consequences all crime have them.
You'd actually have a argument if you say that with some felony after a period of time liven a clean life you can have them back.
You talking poker game or a gambling parlor.
And yes I don't think it's fair that a Bullshit non voilate felon lose they rights for ever. But that not the current laws.
Side note they got rid of the Rockefeller laws and looky looky heroin is following like wine in the streets.
Oh by the way you can pattion the state to vacate a felony convictoin after a peroid of time.
I know that cause my uncle had a racketeering convictoin in the late 60 and did 10 years and when he was 75 years old 30 years later he aplied and he showed 30 years of being a outstanding citizen and it was vacated.(I think that's the correct word)
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
he was a fkin felon .. i don't give a rats ass where is is from ...
let try common core ... 1 guy in 360,000 gun owners uses a bump fire stock and kills a few hundred .. and say he lived and went to jail and got out ..
I didn't do this crime .. but now i can't get one if i even wanted to because of fkin gun laws. .. he the killer will go find another on the black market or his
butt pal and do it all over again .. so you just might as well give all the rights back .. shit can the nics . full Constitutional Concealed Carry .. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND THE 2A .. SHALL NOT INFRINGE .. wiish the founding Fathers would have use the word FUCKING in there too ..
let try common core ... 1 guy in 360,000 gun owners uses a bump fire stock and kills a few hundred .. and say he lived and went to jail and got out ..
I didn't do this crime .. but now i can't get one if i even wanted to because of fkin gun laws. .. he the killer will go find another on the black market or his
butt pal and do it all over again .. so you just might as well give all the rights back .. shit can the nics . full Constitutional Concealed Carry .. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND THE 2A .. SHALL NOT INFRINGE .. wiish the founding Fathers would have use the word FUCKING in there too ..
Now you talking mental health issues.
Was he a felon before he killed all those people. No he wasn't so he had all his constitutional rights. Has the feds actually banned the bump stop yet?
You can stand screaming to the sky " SHALL NOT INFRINGE" till you turn blue and pass out. All you done is nothing there is a level of gun control need. Not allowing felons to pop into Wal-Mart and buy a gun is gun control. Is that the only level we need sadly no.
You don't like the NICS check. Has it stop you from buying a gun. Is the NICS prefect no. Does it work you would never know, but we did find out that it didn't work with those poor people in the church in Texas. You can ask any LGS criminal have tried to buy gun from them and the NICS stop the sale.
After your done screaming at the sky think of a way to keep gun from the hands of criminals and mental ill so they can't easily get them to harm other you would have actually accomplished something.
Then boy are they in luck. They did the time.
Now it's list kind of "well, let's make up some more."
Yes, it's called a "jail sentence."
Unless you think free society should be a "testing ground" for people that can have some rights, but not others.
There's no screaming at the sky involved. Beyond people saying "suck my ass" and such.
And we actually DO know how well NICS works. It doesn't. At all.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
@zzrguy i can pass nics .. see my avi with the mosin and deer .. i shouldnt have to ... because of some asshat , they should be locked the fucked up . .. but do you know anyone can go buy a BP 44cal pistol and stuff to load it with no fkin nics .. and just beat someone down with it ,, what do you want to be shot with or beat down with .. . OMFG .
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Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
When you slip that 11th round in that mag and there are people that have the audacity to say "YOU MADE THAT CHOICE TO COMMIT THE FELONY, YOU LOSE CERTAIN RIGHTS FOR LIFE!" it's clear they simply have no concept of the current justice system.
The vast majority of people in jail are in there for non violent crimes, and things that should not even be crimes and have no victim.
The vast majority of people in jail are in there for non violent crimes, and things that should not even be crimes and have no victim.