Conspiracy

[freddy]

Then there is the coincidence theorist's. Everything that happens is by sheer coincidence, Corruption, bribes, self interest, backroom deals manufactured news stories , desire for power, staged events , do not really happen or we would know all about it.

They tend to take the news as factual , indisputable sources of information while dismissing police and eyewitness accounts as unbelievable.

They tend to believe things like ISIS is so powerful that the west just doesn't have the manpower to defeat these super men .
Police don't lie.
politicians are not influenced by lobbyists
That the military arms contractors don't depend on war to make a profit.
Corporation s give large sums of money to politicians without asking anything in return
Cannot differentiate between fact , evidence or opinions
Is not aware that the history of government from ancient times to present were full of corruption
Is not aware that people can be manipulated through information
Is not aware that government has used false stories to gain support for their own position while suppressing stories that don't.
Has no awareness of how intelligence agencies operate, or how they are used.
Has no understanding of behavior modification through information or propaganda
Is not aware that the official government 911 story of 19 hijackers from the Mideast that was planned for years to attack NYC was in fact a conspiracy

VS

the conspiracy theorist who believe that powerful people that have a lot of influence actually use that power to maintain or grow that influence.
Actually use evidence to support their ideas ,
Almost always lacks the information needed to prove his theory because the information is classified .
Supports the idea that JFK was not killed by a single madman and has a tremendous amount of information supporting his Idea, but lacks the classified information to prove it.
Is completely aware that the media has become a branch of government , and has its agents working throughout it.
That information is controlled .

Classic false dichotomy.

 

[holdover]

Another opinion? what is false?

 

[freddy]

Another opinion? what is false?

False dilemma - Wikipedia
(aka false dichotomy)

"A false dilemma is a type of informal fallacy in which something is falsely claimed to be an "either/or" situation, when in fact there is at least one additional option."​

 

[holdover]

I know what is , What did I say that was false?

 

[freddy]

I know what is , What did I say that was false?

It is not what you said that is false, rather it is that you forego alternative choices.

 

[holdover]

Such as?

 

[Darth]

Every act in the history of the government could have been a conspiracy, and that would bring us exactly 0% closer to proving any act being discussed is a conspiracy.

Lack of evidence is not evidence. You can't make a claim and conclude that it's true because "the truth is classified." That's absurd to the highest degree.

You also cannot say "I don't understand how this happen, therefore my explanation is how it happened."

 

[freddy]

Such as?

The evidence-based, rational, logical choice that is open to truth (ie not committed to conspiracy/coverup, not committed to coincidence/ignorance).

In other words the least popular choice on this forum.

 

[Darth]

Such as?

"Either you believe these ridiculous theories, or you believe the government has never done anything wrong in history and get your information from the MSM like a sheep."

You know, exactly what you said in your post.

 

[holdover]

specifically? what? You just said I didn't say anything false.

 

[freddy]

A good start for those looking to find the truth: List of fallacies - Wikipedia

 

[freddy]

"Either you believe these ridiculous theories, or you believe the government has never done anything wrong in history and get your information from the MSM like a sheep."

You know, exactly what you said in your post.

Holdover claims to understand what a false dichotomy is but his replies betray his ignorance.

 

[Darth]

If you don't understand that the name of the logical fallacy is CALLED a "False Dichotomy", no matter if the choices are true or false, I can't help you.

 

[Darth]

It's either snowing outside, or I have a $20 bill in my wallet.

False dichotomy. Both statements true, the dichotomy is false.

 

[freddy]

It's either snowing outside, or I have a $20 bill in my wallet.

False dichotomy. Both statements true, the dichotomy is false.

The snow is real, but the $20 bill is a coverup and a conspiracy by the deep state, duh!

 

[holdover]

Every act in the history of the government could have been a conspiracy, and that would bring us exactly 0% closer to proving any act being discussed is a conspiracy.


The historical fact of conspiracy's prove that conspiracy's do exist. It is evidence that the ""accused"" has used conspiracy's in the past . This proves historical precedent . that the idea of conspiracy is not beyond the scope or capability of the accused.

Lack of evidence is not evidence. You can't make a claim and conclude that it's true because "the truth is classified." That's absurd to the highest degree.

Wrong again . what was on the thousands of hours of video tape of in the Mandalay bay ? If there is nothing relevant on them why classify it? If we can see the videos we be able to ascertain what happened. the fact that they are classified by the united states government raises suspicions that we weren't told the truth . The fact is that We do not know the full extent of fast and furious because it is classified . if we had the information we can see what happened. I can speculate as to what may have happened but I don't claim to KNOW for a fact what happened. its classified. Its not absurd at all . we just don't have the information to come to a conclusion . We call it a cover up , you call it absurd.


You also cannot say "I don't understand how this happen, therefore my explanation is how it happened.

I didn't say that


Everything you just said is false.

no everything you just said was false,

 

[holdover]

It's either snowing outside, or I have a $20 bill in my wallet.

False dichotomy. Both statements true, the dichotomy is false.

be specific . take an example

 

[holdover]

"Either you believe these ridiculous theories, or you believe the government has never done anything wrong in history and get your information from the MSM like a sheep."

You know, exactly what you said in your post.

So you do believe in conspiracy's?

 

[holdover]

Do you believe the government lies to the people?

 

[holdover]

Do you believe that the government seeks influence over public opinion?

 

[holdover]

Do you believe the government would classify wrong doing ?

 

[holdover]

Do you believe the government has influence in the mass media?

 

[holdover]

Do you believe the government omits information ?

 

[holdover]

Holdover claims to understand what a false dichotomy is but his replies betray his ignorance.

Im asking you to prove what your saying, go ahead enlighten me.

 

[holdover]

Do you believe police only tell the truth?

 

[Phritz]

It's Aliens, damnit!

 

[holdover]

who would have guessed? I thought it was Russians.

 

[holdover]

Look I have google !

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English[edit]
Noun[edit]

false dichotomy (plural false dichotomies)

1. A situation in which two alternative points of views are presented as the only options, whereas others are available.

Now can you please explain your accusations using my statements as an exsample? pretty please? with fucking sugar on top?

 

[Darth]

be specific . take an example

"Either you believe these ridiculous theories, or you believe the government has never done anything wrong in history and get your information from the MSM like a sheep."

You know, exactly what you said in your post.

So you do believe in conspiracy's?

Yes.

Do you believe the government lies to the people?

Yes.

Do you believe that the government seeks influence over public opinion?

Yes.

Do you believe the government would classify wrong doing ?

Yes.

Do you believe the government has influence in the mass media?

Yes.

Do you believe the government omits information ?

Yes.

Do you believe police only tell the truth?

No, and why even ask such a ridiculous question?

This proves you committed the aforementioned false dichotomy though. An option you omitted was "Yes, the government does bad things, but no,I don't buy these ridiculous theories."

So with all of that said, how does any of that prove, in any way, these insane crisis actors/deep state malarkey theories?

 

[freddy]

So you do believe in conspiracy's?

Do you believe the government lies to the people?

Do you believe that the government seeks influence over public opinion?

Do you believe the government would classify wrong doing ?

Do you believe the government has influence in the mass media?

Do you believe the government omits information ?

Do you believe police only tell the truth?

You basically framed all of your questions as false dichotomies. You chose to write them as 'yes' or 'no' questions.

But the choice you neglected to offer is the correct one...

'There are occasions in the past when the government/police have lied or covered up or influenced the media, etc etc. But there are also occasions when they have been truthful and upfront, etc etc.'​