CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical

[Prudii]

Picked this up today.


The end game is to get the slide milled for a Delta Point Pro and use it in USPSA carry optics.

 

[togmaster]

Very nice!

 

[HEX]

As I've said before, CZ SP-01 is my favorite 9mm I own (only gun I own 2 of the same model). That said, I personally don't like the idea of the "tactical" decocker model. It's just that there's so many improvements that can be made to the standard trigger and other things, but you can't do any of that stuff with the decocker model.

To each thier own though, and congrats on a damn nice pistola !

 

[Prudii]

As I've said before, CZ SP-01 is my favorite 9mm I own (only gun I own 2 of the same model). That said, I personally don't like the idea of the "tactical" decocker model. It's just that there's so many improvements that can be made to the standard trigger and other things, but you can't do any of that stuff with the decocker model.

To each thier own though, and congrats on a damn nice pistola !

I got the decocker model because its going to end up as a USPSA gun and I'm really not interested in dealing with the safety. I wanted to get a shadow but because it weighs so much I'd have to have a considerable amount of material machined off to meet the 45oz limit.

 

[Podmonkey]

As I've said before, CZ SP-01 is my favorite 9mm I own (only gun I own 2 of the same model). That said, I personally don't like the idea of the "tactical" decocker model. It's just that there's so many improvements that can be made to the standard trigger and other things, but you can't do any of that stuff with the decocker model.

To each thier own though, and congrats on a damn nice pistola !

The decocker isn't "tactical" its just the more logical control for a DA/SA pistol. Manual safeties are superfluous for this action.

 

[HEX]

The decocker isn't "tactical"

It is on the SP-01. I'm not calling it tactical in purpose, it's the CZ model designation where the only difference is the decocker.

I don't necessarily agree with you though anyway that it's a more logical control method. It's a personal choice. I carry mine cocked and locked because I grew up/trained doing it that way and because I don't want a different trigger pull to mess up muscle memory.

 

[Podmonkey]

It is on the SP-01. I'm not calling it tactical in purpose, it's the CZ model designation where the only difference is the decocker.

I don't necessarily agree with you though anyway that it's a more logical control method. It's a personal choice. I carry mine cocked and locked because I grew up doing it that way and because I don't want a different trigger pull to mess up muscle memory.

My question is if you liked to carry cocked and locked wouldn't a single action be better?
If one prefered to carry the DA/SA decocked then the safety would be unnecessary in the first place.
To my mind-
Cocked & locked= single action (better, lighter, cleaner trigger pull)
Carry in double action mode= decocker(since carrying a DA/SA in single action mode is dangerous then a method of safely dropping the hammer is required)
Carrying in DA with a manual safety= redundant. And slow on target.

 

[HEX]

My question is if you liked to carry cocked and locked wouldn't a single action be better?
If one prefered to carry the DA/SA decocked then the safety would be unnecessary in the first place.
To my mind-
Cocked & locked= single action (better, lighter, cleaner trigger pull)
Carry in double action mode= decocker(since carrying a DA/SA in single action mode is dangerous then a method of safely dropping the hammer is required)
Carrying in DA with a manual safety= redundant. And slow on target.

I'm not quite sure what you mean. It is in single action only mode when carrying cocked and locked. I'm not carrying it (or anything for that matter) in DA. I see no reason to ever need to lower the hammer. Load it, lock it, leave it. I can't think of any single action only gun that doesn't have a manual safety.
Also, one of my two SP-01s is actually permanently converted to SAO, with comp hammer and flat trigger.

You can't actually even engage the safety on a SP-01 with the hammer down.

 

[Podmonkey]

.........one of my two SP-01s is actually permanently converted to SAO, with comp hammer and flat trigger........

You can't actually even engage the safety on a SP-01 with the hammer down.

My point exactly, SA triggers are superior, in general, to DA/SA triggers in the SA mode.
If one is only ever going to use a DA/SA in the SA mode the DA mode is completely unnecessary.
The value of the DA/SA is one of safety and speed. No manual safety to fuddle with under stress but the long heavy initial trigger pull gives a good margin of protection against NDs.
Therfore I say a manual safety on a DA/SA os is completey unnecessary and redundant. Both features, the saftey itself or the DA pull, will never be used at the same time see?

 

[HEX]

My point exactly, SA triggers are superior, in general, to DA/SA triggers in the SA mode.
If one is only ever going to use a DA/SA in the SA mode the DA mode is completely unnecessary.
The value of the DA/SA is one of safety and speed. No manual safety to fuddle with under stress but the long heavy initial trigger pull gives a good margin of protection against NDs.
Therfore I say a manual safety on a DA/SA os is completey unnecessary and redundant. Both features, the saftey itself or the DA pull, will never be used at the same time see?

Well.. yeah , but I still honestly don't understand the point you're trying to make. I'm not trying to be obstinate here..heh. If an SP-01 came from the factory with an SAO option then yeah , I'd pick that one. It doesn't.. but who cares if it has a DA function that never gets used ? No disadvantage in having and extra sear shelf and just not using it. And no single action semi doesn't have a manual safety.

 

[Podmonkey]

Well.. yeah , but I still honestly don't understand the point you're trying to make. I'm not trying to be obstinate here..heh. If an SP-01 came from the factory with an SAO option then yeah , I'd pick that one. It doesn't.. but who cares if it has a DA function that never gets used ? No disadvantage in having and extra sear notch it and just not using it.

I have made this argument before with others and had no success. I am not arguing your personal choice so much as bemoaning the relative lack of SAO options outside of 1911s and target guns. I'd like to see newer versions of the Hi Power and SIG P210 with all the modern refinements.
I guess I'm just anal, I can't stand for presence of unnecessarily redundant features in things.

 

[HEX]

I have made this argument before with others and had no success. I am not arguing your personal choice so much as bemoaning the relative lack of SAO options outside of 1911s and target guns. I'd like to see newer versions of the Hi Power and SIG P210 with all the modern refinements.
I guess I'm just anal, I can't stand for presence of unnecessarily redundant features in things.

Oh.. well then we're actually in complete agreement. I'm not saying I like it (which is why I have a converted one, which is amazing in that config), and that's why I don;t like the decocker one but.. they come how they come. I'd prefer all my semis to be SAO really.

 

[HEX]

Anyway , sorry @Prudii , it was not my intent to derail your victory thread at all here. Congrats again on a sweet piece of steel

 

[Podmonkey]

Oh.. well then we're actually in complete agreement. I'm not saying I like it (which is why I have a converted one, which is amazing in that config), and that's why I don;t like the decocker one but.. they come how they come. I'd prefer all my semis to be SAO really.

Well for a duty or CCW role I think the DA/SA is the most "panic proof" option, no safety to worry about like on a SA, and its far more forgiving than the typical striker fired gun.
Each action has its good points.
Anyway, @Prudii, I salute your choice of the "proper" DA/SA configuration
That is a kick ass gun and I'm all jelly of you.

 

[Prudii]

Anyway , sorry @Prudii , it was not my intent to derail your victory thread at all here. Congrats again on a sweet piece of steel

Thats ok, and thanks. I'm hoping to get out to the range and shoot it some Sunday.

Well for a duty or CCW role I think the DA/SA is the most "panic proof" option, no safety to worry about like on a SA, and its far more forgiving than the typical striker fired gun.
Each action has its good points.
Anyway, @Prudii, I salute your choice of the "proper" DA/SA configuration
That is a kick ass gun and I'm all jelly of you.

Its my first steel frame da/sa I spent a bit of time decideing between this or a P226 SAO. If you're ever in NC let me know we can hit up a range and send a few rounds down range.

What a shame

Is this better?

 

[Shoots100]

Congrats on the CZ purchase. I bet it won't be your last !
I personally like having a decocker, especially for a CC.
One reason I have a P-07 & 09 in my rotation now. Their Omega trigger system is awesome and made even better with some Cajun love.
I've seen too many accidental discharges with SAO & striker pistols in my time and not a one with a DA pistol.
To each his own.

 

[Podmonkey]

Congrats on the CZ purchase. I bet it won't be your last !
I personally like having a decocker, especially for a CC.
One reason I have a P-07 & 09 in my rotation now. Their Omega trigger system is awesome and made even better with some Cajun love.
I've seen too many accidental discharges with SAO & striker pistols in my time and not a one with a DA pistol.
To each his own.

DA/SA is a dumbass resistant action. Everybody is subject to the occasional case of dumbassitis.

 

[MoMan]

Congrats @Prudii. You're going to love that pistol, especially in SA. I just had my CZ to the range this afternoon, and loved every minute of it.

 

[71velle]

Nice pistol!!!!!

I have been doing a little USPSA and started with a CZ PCR which is a decocker pistol. I believe a DA/SA pistol needs to be in full hammer down at the start of the stage. The decocker lowers the hammer to half cock. At a local shoot it will likely go unnoticed. On the CZs the hammer spring can be lighted and helps make the DA to SA transition easier. I did not practice the transition and it screwed me up on the first few stages.

A few thoughts on the different firing systems

The DA/SA with a safety. They are not all the same CZ models (the ones Im familiar with) will only activate the safety with the hammer cocked, if the hammer is in the down position the safety can not be engaged. Great for the safety hating carriers, they can manually drop the hammer and not worries about the safety accidentally engaging. The pistol also can be carried cocked and locked, hammer cocked with the safety on. I dont see the point(opinion) in NYS with a 10 round limit I would consider a 9mm 1911 a better option because its thinner and would have a better trigger. In a free state you could have 15 rounds or so in a CZ, which cant be done with a 1911.

S&W 3rd gen, some Beretta 92s etc Have a decocker/safety switch. When the pistol is decocked the switch stays in the safe position so to fire the safety needs to be turned off. Most would decock and turn the safety off before holstering so it would be ready for action in DA mode. This is not popular with the safety hating folks. Having a pistol in DA mode with a safety on could be a good thing if a pistol is being used in an off body situation. For example the nightstand/glovebox pistol would take more than being picked up wrong to get an ND while half asleep or someone else who come across it. Im not saying to leave unsecured pistols laying around or you need this feature for a night stand gun, use your discretion.

Tanfoglio and maybe EAA have models with a safety that can be engaged with the hammer down but do not have a decocker.

CZ and others models with a decocker only. Pretty straight forward.

I know this is a touchy topic for some who think one system is best, but at the end of the day it only needs to be best for you!

 

[Podmonkey]

SP01 has an 18 round mag dont it?

 

[Prudii]

Nice pistol!!!!!

I have been doing a little USPSA and started with a CZ PCR which is a decocker pistol. I believe a DA/SA pistol needs to be in full hammer down at the start of the stage. The decocker lowers the hammer to half cock. At a local shoot it will likely go unnoticed. On the CZs the hammer spring can be lighted and helps make the DA to SA transition easier. I did not practice the transition and it screwed me up on the first few stages.

A few thoughts on the different firing systems

The DA/SA with a safety. They are not all the same CZ models (the ones Im familiar with) will only activate the safety with the hammer cocked, if the hammer is in the down position the safety can not be engaged. Great for the safety hating carriers, they can manually drop the hammer and not worries about the safety accidentally engaging. The pistol also can be carried cocked and locked, hammer cocked with the safety on. I dont see the point(opinion) in NYS with a 10 round limit I would consider a 9mm 1911 a better option because its thinner and would have a better trigger. In a free state you could have 15 rounds or so in a CZ, which cant be done with a 1911.

S&W 3rd gen, some Beretta 92s etc Have a decocker/safety switch. When the pistol is decocked the switch stays in the safe position so to fire the safety needs to be turned off. Most would decock and turn the safety off before holstering so it would be ready for action in DA mode. This is not popular with the safety hating folks. Having a pistol in DA mode with a safety on could be a good thing if a pistol is being used in an off body situation. For example the nightstand/glovebox pistol would take more than being picked up wrong to get an ND while half asleep or someone else who come across it. Im not saying to leave unsecured pistols laying around or you need this feature for a night stand gun, use your discretion.

Tanfoglio and maybe EAA have models with a safety that can be engaged with the hammer down but do not have a decocker.

CZ and others models with a decocker only. Pretty straight forward.

I know this is a touchy topic for some who think one system is best, but at the end of the day it only needs to be best for you!

My understanding is most of the guys shooting these in comp have put the production legal spring and hammer kits in that lower the DA pull considerably and just make do with a heavy first shot instead of trying to cock the hammer whilst drawing.

SP01 has an 18 round mag dont it?

Yes and a 16 flush fit I believe.

 

[Shoots100]

DA/SA is a dumbass resistant action. Everybody is subject to the occasional case of dumbassitis.

There are tons of videos of expert dumbass's shooting themselves, others and having AD's with SA pistols.
Gun makers finally decided to try and keep their customers alive with the DA/SA option, as did LE in the US and overseas decades ago too.
Believe it or not, some people think it's pretty stupid to carry cocked & locked, especially the people who've witnessed or treated cases of the dumbass's who've shot themselves.
At least CZ gives you the option.
While a DA pull isn't the same as a SA pull, CZ DA/SA pistols can be worked on to make their DA pull smooth, reliable and dumbass safe with a decocker.
Calling people who don't want to accidentally shoot themselves or others( like the new CZ pistol owner here) dumbass's, is pretty dumbass.

 

[71velle]

My understanding is most of the guys shooting these in comp have put the production legal spring and hammer kits in that lower the DA pull considerably and just make do with a heavy first shot instead of trying to cock the hammer whilst drawing.


Yes and a 16 flush fit I believe.

I dont believe anyone would try to cock while drawing. Yes the mods to the double action make a huge difference. Many of the DA are greater than 10 lbs, the competition peeped ones are are less than 6 lbs. When I changed the spring in my PCR it made a huge difference. When I talked to the guy at Cajun he told me they come over sprung for the purpose of being reliable in unmaintained duty situations with the crazy hard primers. Cajun is an excellent resource!

 

[Podmonkey]

There are tons of videos of expert dumbass's shooting themselves, others and having AD's with SA pistols.
Gun makers finally decided to try and keep their customers alive with the DA/SA option, as did LE in the US and overseas decades ago too.
Believe it or not, some people think it's pretty stupid to carry cocked & locked, especially the people who've witnessed or treated cases of the dumbass's who've shot themselves.
At least CZ gives you the option.
While a DA pull isn't the same as a SA pull, CZ DA/SA pistols can be worked on to make their DA pull smooth, reliable and dumbass safe with a decocker.
Calling people who don't want to accidentally shoot themselves or others( like the new CZ pistol owner here) dumbass's, is pretty dumbass.

You totally misread all of that.

 

[Podmonkey]

My understanding is most of the guys shooting these in comp have put the production legal spring and hammer kits in that lower the DA pull considerably and just make do with a heavy first shot instead of trying to cock the hammer whilst drawing.


Yes and a 16 flush fit I believe.

No, I believe the 18 rounder fits flush in the SP01. The competition models with the magwell funnels have flush fitting 20 rounders!

 

[Podmonkey]

Yah, its an 18 rounder, flush fit:

CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical - CZ-USA

Product NameCZ 75 SP-01 Tactical – 9mm
SKU91153
Firearm TypeHandgun
MSRP$680.00
Chambering9mm Luger
Magazine Capacity18
Magazine TypeDouble Stack
FrameSteel
GripsRubber
Trigger MechDA/SA
SightsFixed Night Sights
BarrelCold Hammer Forged
Barrel Length4.6 in
Weight40.5 oz
Overall Length8.15 in
Height5.79 in
Width1.46 in
SafetyAmbidextrous Decocking Lever, Safety Stop on Hammer, Firing Pin Block Safety

 

[HEX]

My one big issue with CZs at this point is that now people know how good they are.. so now they're expensive. I got my first SP-01 on super sale at a Gander Mountain many years ago, specifically because they couldn't get it sold. NY'ers just didn't know what they were, and nobody was buying steel framed guns. I distinctly remember mentioning I was a fan of CZs at ranges and such in NY in the early to mid 2000s and often getting responses like, "Aren't those cheap junk guns ?".

 

[Podmonkey]

My one big issue with CZs at this point is that now people know how good they are.. so now they're expensive. I got my first SP-01 on super sale at a Gander Mountain many years ago, specifically because they couldn't get it sold. NY'ers just didn't know what they were, and nobody was buying steel framed guns. I distinctly remember mentioning I was a fan of CZs at ranges and such in NY in the early to mid 2000s and often getting responses like, "Aren't those cheap junk guns ?".

Anybody that thought CZs were cheap junk guns is betraying their casual interest status. CZ pistols have been the choice of pistolero connoisseurs for some time now.
I think the problem is that CZs have been "discovered" by the "not a Glock" gun hipster crowd.

 

[Edwardteach72]

My one big issue with CZs at this point is that now people know how good they are.. so now they're expensive. I got my first SP-01 on super sale at a Gander Mountain many years ago, specifically because they couldn't get it sold. NY'ers just didn't know what they were, and nobody was buying steel framed guns. I distinctly remember mentioning I was a fan of CZs at ranges and such in NY in the early to mid 2000s and often getting responses like, "Aren't those cheap junk guns ?".

Anybody that thought CZs were cheap junk guns is betraying their casual interest status. CZ pistols have been the choice of pistolero connoisseurs for some time now.
I think the problem is that CZs have been "discovered" by the "not a Glock" gun hipster crowd.

With the edition of the p10c CZ is now deff becoming more of a mainstream name. Outside of those who know good guns and competition.

It's a catch 22, good because maybe we will get better aftermarket support and less expensive magazines (well for the p07 and p09)

Bad because well inexpensive quality is now going to cost more.

But CZ is planning to open a plant here in the US is 2019


Also get any and every Cajun Gun Works part you can for this and see a sweet shooter turn into a completely different sweeter shooting gun.

They do make their "stealth hammer" which is production class legal I believe

10035 D/C IDPA Production Legal Competition Hammer - Cajun Gun Works

 

[Shoots100]

You totally misread all of that.

I'm sorry for misinterpreting your post, late night.
I like CZ's because they have products that can be upgraded to the consumers choice, or full blown customs that won't break the bank.
Most models are left hand convertible too.
I'm going to buy some of their stock before they open a plant here.