D.C. "Stop the Steal" 1/5/21 & 1/6/21 protests

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Dr. Evil said:
IMHO there wouldn't be a section for anti gun talk. You asked if I would have a problem with folks that are anti gun being able to communicate on here, not have a special section for them. Should they be able to join and voice their opinion? I believe they should. I would vehemently disagree and most likely ignore them but they should be able to join and communicate amongst us and others like themselves. Again, I believe they wouldn't last very long because they would be outnumbered but if they want to they should be able to. Not saying to make certain changes to suit them. If conservative folks want to discuss amongst themselves on twitter or others they should be able to. I'm fine being on FB along with a world of lefties as long as I can communicate with like minded folks. It seems that conservative folks or sites don't try to shut out others who don't believe what they do yet the left has such a problem with people THEY don't agree with they take away THEIR ability to converse on their platforms.
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No. I asked if you had a problem with the forum being COMPELLED to provide a platform for speech it disagrees with.
 
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Acer-m14 said:
just start hosting the app on your site Dan and other 2A and 1A sites .. one phone i had you just needed to change a setting to allow i think it was called 3 party apps ,, or something like that .. didnt need google store or apple store to get a app installed ..
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It's not too far a stretch to go from Apple and Google banning an app, so hosting platforms banning sites, to DNS providers refusing to respond to queries for them...

Might not be long before you have to learn to use the dark web to read about the perils of communism, or to get actual unfiltered news.
 
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spat said:
It's not too far a stretch to go from Apple and Google banning an app, so hosting platforms banning sites, to DNS providers refusing to respond to queries for them...

Might not be long before you have to learn to use the dark web to read about the perils of communism, or to get actual unfiltered news.
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Dark web isn't that hard to use.
 
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BDinPutnam said:
No. I asked if you had a problem with the forum being COMPELLED to provide a platform for speech it disagrees with.
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Should your phone company be compelled to complete calls if they don't like who you want to talk to ?

Should your ISP be able to block the parts of the internet they don't think you should see ?

Both are protected from prosecution because they have special standing as "common carriers". The ISP doesn't get prosecuted because one of their customers downloaded kiddie porn.

The phone company doesn't get prosecuted because the bank robbers used their network to coordinate.

With the protections the "common carrier" or "platform" status confers is the explicit need *not* to meddle in the content.

The only reason those statuses exist is because the companies claim it would be impossible for them to provide the service without allowing that stuff through.


If Facebook can successfully censor conservative ideas, then they have proven they *can* exercise editorial content over their site, and they no longer need the sec 230 protection. So it should be removed.
 
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Mosinitis said:
Social media giants are used as lines of communication, they are no longer considered blogs or forums. What if we have a nuclear attack tomorrow. An earthquake, Nuclear accident. A president should be able to use all lines of communication. Can they close your email accounts? Can they cut off your telephone lines.
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BINGO!

Lesson for all: If Big Tech can effectively silence The President of the United States, do you think they'll have any problem isolating you?
 
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Defilade said:
The market will correct itself as people are leaving twitter in droves like with Fox. Twitter will be the new My Space. Get woke, Go broke!
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If Twitter earns revenue though advertising, then fewer eyes on ads will mean less revenue.

At what point will Twitter shareholders consider recent actions by management to be a breach of their fiduciary responsibilities?
 
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BDinPutnam said:
No. I asked if you had a problem with the forum being COMPELLED to provide a platform for speech it disagrees with.
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I don't understand the provide a platform question. The forum is here for anyone to use it as long as they follow the rules. I am not asking the forum to change anything they do in running the forum for us to make it different for an anti. If you are asking me if the forum should kick people off who are anti I would say no although if it is truly not public in ownership and that is their policy I suppose it is free to do what it wants. I also don't think this site gets massive tax subsidies. I believe Obama even made a speech saying Facebook wouldn't exist without government funding.
 
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BDinPutnam said:
The argument that Twitter should be forced to keep accounts they do not want to keep is tantamount to requiring that NYGF have a section for anti-gun talk even though its obviously antithetical to the principles of this site.

Freedom of speech also includes the right to not be forced to promote speech one disagrees with.
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So BD you don't have any problem with twitter censoring trump but allowing the ayatollah of iran to make posts calling for the destruction of israel? Or how about facebook removing the "walk away" group page?
 
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tirwin1 said:
So BD you don't have any problem with twitter censoring trump but allowing the ayatollah of iran to make posts calling for the destruction of israel? Or how about facebook removing the "walk away" group page?
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Thats their choice. Tells me what I want to know about them.
 
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BTW, this is what Trump asked Pence to do in his own words:

"Our VP has several options under the US Constitution. He can decertify the results or send them back to the states for change and certification. He can also decertify the illegal and corrupt results and send them to the House of Representatives for the one vote for one state tabulation."
 
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