Democrats promise to filibuster and kill national reciprocity for concealed carry in the US Senate

[livingston]

Democrats promise to filibuster and kill national reciprocity for concealed carry in the US Senate
Since the November 8th election, there has been some hope that national reciprocity for concealed handgun permits would be similar to that for driver’s licenses. If you have a driver’s license in Florida you can drive all the way to Maine or Washington state or drive in Alaska or Hawaii. That is not the case permitted concealed handguns. If you are a truck driver who is carrying valuable shipments, and you have to travel in California, Illinois, New York or some other states you are effectively banned from carrying over your entire trip. Since you can’t carry in New York state, there is no way that you can go from New England to the rest of the country or vice a versa.


But with only 52 Republicans in the Senate and 60 votes needed to stop a filibuster, Democrats are promising to kill any reciprocity bill. From the Wall Street Journal:

Democrats promise to filibuster and kill national reciprocity for concealed carry in the US Senate - Crime Prevention Research Center

 

[dwa12479]

Asshats.

 

[livingston]

The Filibuster’s Days May be Numbered
In 2017, when Donald Trump becomes president, he will have a Republican majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate. Even with those majorities, Democrats still retain enough votes to block cloture on Republican bills. The road block will still exist.

To avoid Democrats bottling up legislation, the new Republican Senate may invoke the “nuclear option” and choose to eliminate or weaken the filibuster rules. Since the filibuster is not specified in the Constitution, it can be easily changed at the beginning of a Senate session by the majority party.
The Filibuster’s Days May be Numbered | The Resurgent

 

[Celt]

well, then we need to do whatever is necessary to ensure they cant filibuster. national reciprocity must happen. and if these scumbags will filibuster that pro 2a legislation, you can bet your ass they will try it for every piece of pro2a legislation. We need to take away that tool from them. we need to beat these liberals into submission (figuratively speaking of course).

 

[Cooolone]

Just attach the bill to pork barrel spending of the Dems delight, like planned parenthood funding, or rainbow curriculum financing... It'll pass! Stop playing paddycake with these idiots and hit them where it hurts. Give me what I want or you don't get yours either! Done!

 

[livingston]

Feb 19, 2015
Take action: Stop federally mandated concealed carry!
Please take action and help us stop federally mandated conceal carry! The House and Senate are considering two dangerous bills, H.R.402 and S.498, which would require New York and other strong gun law states to recognize the concealed carry permits of gun owners from all other states–no matter how weak their gun laws.

So if these dangerous bills passed, a visitor from Texas would be allowed to carry his gun into a place like Times Square, Grand Central Station or even the corner bar. Even dangerous individuals with criminal records or histories of violence would be allowed to freely carry their weapons into our state, endangering the safety of New Yorkers.

If federally mandated concealed carry becomes law, it would preempt New York’s strong gun laws.

“It’s a nightmare for New York law enforcement,” commented New York Senator Charles Schumer in Gail Collins’s piece in the Times, “A Gun on Every Corner.” “This is awful, awful, awful,” he added.

 

[MilesTeg]

At least the liberal scum have the fortitude to fight for what they believe in. Republicans are fucking joke!

 

[livingston]

A Gun on Every Corner
Earlier this month — right between Groundhog Day and Valentine’s Day — Senator John Cornyn of Texas introduced a bill that would allow people from states with lax gun laws to carry their concealed weapons all around the country.

The goal, Cornyn said in a press release, is to treat local gun permits “like drivers’ licenses.”

“It’s a nightmare for New York law enforcement,” said Senator Charles Schumer of New York. “In 20 states you can have a repeated history of mental health police visits and you can get a gun. You can have a domestic violence record. In many states, people subject to emergency orders of protection can be allowed to carry.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/19/o...html?rref=collection/column/gail-collins&_r=0

 

[Phauxtoe]

the Irony is that every state will be able to carry in NY , but Not NYers!

 

[Phauxtoe]

states are not allowed to limit any of the following
Freedom of Religion
Free speech (they are trying with the HATE speech , nonsense !)
voting rights...


so why 2A?

 

[C3D]

All in time. A sea change is coming.

 

[RDN]

Republicans will use the "Nuclear Option" to block filibuster.
Just like Dem. did years ago.

Democrats never learn. Why did they lose the elections. Time and time again because of their Gun-Grabbing.
Not because we love Trump.

 

[Podmonkey]

This MUST GO THROUGH!! I am goddamned TIRED of being a sitting fucking duck in my truck as I drive to one riot zone after another! And I routinely have to park in some seriously shady areas for my federal mandatory rest breaks! Fucking Democrats can go straight to hell if they block this! I am sending another round of emails and wirting some more letters to my reps. THIS MUST PASS!!

 

[ArmedCorgi]

The Filibuster’s Days May be Numbered
In 2017, when Donald Trump becomes president, he will have a Republican majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate. Even with those majorities, Democrats still retain enough votes to block cloture on Republican bills. The road block will still exist.

To avoid Democrats bottling up legislation, the new Republican Senate may invoke the “nuclear option” and choose to eliminate or weaken the filibuster rules. Since the filibuster is not specified in the Constitution, it can be easily changed at the beginning of a Senate session by the majority party.
The Filibuster’s Days May be Numbered | The Resurgent

I want national resiprocity too, but I'm not so sure killing the filibuster is a good thing. The Dems thought it was good to take it away when it came to federal court appointees and now that the GOP has full control of Congress and the WH I bet they are very regretful of doing that. Doing away with the filibuster could hurt the GOP and the country I might add, should the dems ever regain meaningful control of the government. And by "should" I mean when. Hopefully Trump can use his deal making skills to work something out and come out on top for us.

 

[Gunright]

I want national resiprocity too, but I'm not so sure killing the filibuster is a good thing. The Dems thought it was good to take it away when it came to federal court appointees and now that the GOP has full control of Congress and the WH I bet they are very regretful of doing that. Doing away with the filibuster could hurt the GOP and the country I might add, should the dems ever regain meaningful control of the government. And by "should" I mean when. Hopefully Trump can use his deal making skills to work something out and come out on top for us.

As you state, the D's already killed it for federal court appointees. Fuck them. Time to pass a bunch of legislation that strengthens the constitution.

 

[Dr. Evil]

A nightmare for law enforcement? Hey Schmucky, tell that to the cop whose life was saved last week by the citizen with a CCL.

 

[X340]

There are a few Republican Senators who have stated that they would not go along with using the nuclear option, IIRC
RINO Graham, Jeff Flake, Corker and possibly McCain were among them.
When it comes to firearms laws there are at least 5 Senators who are up for election in 2018, in states that Trump won by at least 19 points, so it should be interesting.
Republicans have the power screw the dems, now is the time to give them a taste of what that sick bastard Harry Reid did to them.
What the hell good is power if you don't use it! I would make Schumecky Schumer squeal like the pig he is.
I really wonder if some of them have the balls to lead.

To paraphrase Machiavelli "it is better to be feared than loved if you cannot be both"

 

[Phazer]

A nightmare for law enforcement? Hey Schmucky, tell that to the cop whose life was saved last week by the citizen with a CCL.

In Florida. Correct.

 

[Bananabandit]

They also promised Trump wouldnt be president.

 

[Celt]

I will be incredibly livid if we do not get National reciprocity during this Administration. I've been fighting for this for more years than I can remember and this is the first chance that we really could make it happen.

 

[DoD1776]

These POS can't and wouldn't be able to even if they tried

 

[C3D]

As far as any argument to not kill the filibuster rule, does anybody believe for a second that if the Republicans leave it in place the Democrats won't take it out the day they get a majority?

There is no reason at all to preserve it, Harry Reid made that clear.

 

[Frankly]

A Million Guns March on Washington would get the message across.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

As far as any argument to not kill the filibuster rule, does anybody believe for a second that if the Republicans leave it in place the Democrats won't take it out the day they get a majority?

There is no reason at all to preserve it, Harry Reid made that clear.

You are most likely right about the Dems throwing it away if the GOP leaves it in place and it's hard to believe it's become a race over which party can tear down our system for it's own gain before the other gets power and uses it against them.
Sadly, there is/was a reason for it only Harry Reid did an incredibly, irresponsibly short sighted and petulant thing by crossing that threshold and starting down the road of tearing it down. Simply because the Dems just couldn't easily get what they wanted. I'm with you on the frustration and part of me does just want the GOP to cast the filibuster aside and ram this through while giving the Dems the double middle finger. I'm just trying to look beyond right now and see how this could completely backfire and come back to haunt us.
It begs the questions of what is next and at what point will it stop? Until we hastily get rid of every rule and tradition used to keep a republic a self governed body that protects the minority from the majority as well as individual rights? Where are we then?

 

[minderasr]

Just attach the bill to pork barrel spending of the Dems delight, like planned parenthood funding, or rainbow curriculum financing... It'll pass!

Yes! Then Trump can use the line item veto.

 

[Truebeliever]

Guys , Schumer is the New Democrat leader in the senate and as I feared his gun control bias would be the democrats order of the day.

But remember this. Even if the republicans keep the fillabuster rule in effect and still possibly pass it because of the number of democrats up in 2018. Let's keep mentioning how they lost big because they ran on gun control. They are defending 25 seats in 2018. Only 2 republican seats are in play.

They will tell Schumer to go to hell if they think his position will cost them their seat

 

[Saltwater60]

I want national resiprocity too, but I'm not so sure killing the filibuster is a good thing. The Dems thought it was good to take it away when it came to federal court appointees and now that the GOP has full control of Congress and the WH I bet they are very regretful of doing that. Doing away with the filibuster could hurt the GOP and the country I might add, should the dems ever regain meaningful control of the government. And by "should" I mean when. Hopefully Trump can use his deal making skills to work something out and come out on top for us.

No deal with the dems will allow this. Sorry. I do t see them agreeing to it.

 

[Celt]

You are most likely right about the Dems throwing it away if the GOP leaves it in place and it's hard to believe it's become a race over which party can tear down our system for it's own gain before the other gets power and uses it against them.
Sadly, there is/was a reason for it only Harry Reid did an incredibly, irresponsibly short sighted and petulant thing by crossing that threshold and starting down the road of tearing it down. Simply because the Dems just couldn't easily get what they wanted. I'm with you on the frustration and part of me does just want the GOP to cast the filibuster aside and ram this through while giving the Dems the double middle finger. I'm just trying to look beyond right now and see how this could completely backfire and come back to haunt us.
It begs the questions of what is next and at what point will it stop? Until we hastily get rid of every rule and tradition used to keep a republic a self governed body that protects the minority from the majority as well as individual rights? Where are we then?

I get the idea of it, but we need to ram as much pro2a legislation, along with other pro Constitution legislation, while we have the chance. We are in a very unique position, with an outsider who has balls as xaptain of the ship.

 

[Acer-m14]

“It’s a nightmare for New York law enforcement,” said Senator Charles Schumer of New York. “In 20 states you can have a repeated history of mental health police visits and you can get a gun. You can have a domestic violence record. In many states, people subject to emergency orders of protection can be allowed to carry.”

Hey Smuck Tard .. in 1980 we have laws on the books about shooting people and you went to jail .. also in 1980 and before we drove to school with our guns to go hunting afterwards .. we also had classmates fights after school for one reason or another ... not one ran to there car or truck to grab a gun ..

so FU ~!~ ..

 

[Darth]

Am I the only one that doesn't exactly "get" a filibuster?

I camped out 3 days (no exaggeration, 3 days) for a PS3. I can handle this.

Seriously, in the real world, if you want me to tell a story about "waiting", let me, because I got my PS3 on day 1, after waiting. Bring it on bitch.