Duty To Inform - It May Be Coming To NY...

[Glenn B]

...or at least to Nassau County. I am saying so because in the latest version of the Nassau County Police Department's Pistol License Section Handbook (handbook) this italicized notation is found as the its last entry:

All Nassau County Pistol Licensee’s, regardless of the classification of license they hold, are to be aware that whenever they have an encounter with any Law Enforcement Officer while carrying a licensed handgun on their person, in a case or any other receptacle in proximity to the licensee, or while transporting a handgun in a vehicle, the licensee should listen and comply with all directives given by the Law Enforcement Officer. The licensee should immediately, or at the earliest possible moment, and without interfering with any directives given by the Officer, inform the Officer of the fact that he/she is a pistol license holder and that there is a licensed handgun(s) on, or in proximity to their person. The licensee must listen to and obey all instructions then given by the Law Enforcement Officer and should never make a unilateral decision to retrieve or display a licensed handgun during any encounter with Law Enforcement.

I do not recall ever seeing that in earlier versions of the handbook. I realize that saying one 'should' do something is not a legal requirement. My bet is though that in the next version or two of the handbook, it will say 'must' or 'shall' notify. It is just the way of the current level of abuse of our rights that is continually taking place in NY.

 

[Jezman]

There are other counties through out the state that already require that.

 

[stokes]

How is being required to inform an officer,who is probably on edge everytime he pulls a car over,that you are carrying a firearm an infringement on your rights?I would think anything you can do to put an officer making a traffic stop at ease would go a long way to helping you getting a break.

 

[Marine Cpl]

These pamphlets and letters they give you mean nothing. Mine said I couldn't carry on a bar. The Penal Law says no such thing.

 

[Marine Cpl]

How is being required to inform an officer,who is probably on edge everytime he pulls a car over,that you are carrying a firearm an infringement on your rights?I would think anything you can do to put an officer making a traffic stop at ease would go a long way to helping you getting a break.

It adds an additional variable to an equation that can only go wrong in your favor.

 

[Airborneguy]

These pamphlets and letters they give you mean nothing. Mine said I couldn't carry on a bar. The Penal Law says no such thing.

True, but your local judge may not take kindly to someone caught ignoring the terms of ones permit. The penal law isn't all that matters in regards to our unconstitutional NY gun laws.

The penal law is bad enough, but that's why I don't take kindly to people who add even more restrictions on their own.

 

[Marine Cpl]

True, but your local judge may not take kindly to someone caught ignoring the terms of ones permit. The penal law isn't all that matters in regards to our unconstitutional NY gun laws.

The penal law is bad enough, but that's why I don't take kindly to people who add even more restrictions on their own.

I understand that but concealed is concealed. You do that properly without printing and don't commit any crimes and you'll never get caught unless you have a heart attack.

 

[Airborneguy]

Agreed, keep it concealed. But you said it's not in the penal law. I am addresing that "heart attack". The penal law won't matter then.

 

[GOPerfect]

Just because something is not in the Penal Law does not mean you can't be jammed up for it.

Take restrictions as an example; some Counties attach them to the the Permit. No where in the PL does it refer to them. The Judge may decide to revoke the Permit if you carry outside of those restrictions. Granted, I have never heard of that happening. Same with this Duty to inform nonsense.

 

[HEX]

There are other counties through out the state that already require that.

Do you know which counties those may be ? I wasn't aware of any counties with specific duty to inform regs and I did just a little bit of googling to try to figure out if that was so. I'm not saying you're wrong, my 'research' was certainly minimal, but the only thing I found was some references to city level ordinances. The page I was looking at (concealednation.org) said that Buffalo, Rochester, and NYC had duty to inform on that city level , but no mention of anything on the county level.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Counties are feudal sub- fifedums of the grand NY empire.

 

[4excal]

I don't need no stinking law to be smart in this day and age those would be the first words out of my mouth anyway, even if @Darth isn't going to agree! I'm not worried about this being an "infringement" on my rights, it's just common smarts. Times have changed and people are idiots! I let all kinds of people know I carry and I ain't ashamed nor scared of "printing" or whatever. It is what is and each to his own.

 

[Darth]

I don't need no stinking law to be smart in this day and age those would be the first words out of my mouth anyway, even if @Darth isn't going to agree! I'm not worried about this being an "infringement" on my rights, it's just common smarts. Times have changed and people are idiots! I let all kinds of people know I carry and I ain't ashamed nor scared of "printing" or whatever. It is what is and each to his own.

Yeah, why not? I even tell them what color panties I'm wearing. No extra charge.

 

[nortatoga]

Yeah, why not? I even tell them what color panties I'm wearing. No extra charge.

TMI!!!!!

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Do you know which counties those may be ? I wasn't aware of any counties with specific duty to inform regs and I did just a little bit of googling to try to figure out if that was so. I'm not saying you're wrong, my 'research' was certainly minimal, but the only thing I found was some references to city level ordinances. The page I was looking at (concealednation.org) said that Buffalo, Rochester, and NYC had duty to inform on that city level , but no mention of anything on the county level.

And of course, therein lies the problem! How the hell are we all supposed to follow the myriad of "wishes, desires, and variations" that can change from one street to another? So, some bureaucratic asshole in Nassau County demands that CCW holders from that county inform, even though the NY Penal law does not require that,- what happens if I'm visiting there with my Erie County CCW, and get stopped??? It is completely insane!

A couple of years ago when I had a contentious interaction with my local PD while on my own property, the officer gave me a load of shit for not informing him until he asked me if I was carrying, which I did promptly and very calmly. When I reminded him that the law in NY did not require me to notify until asked, he angrily told me: "I don't give a shit what the law says, - when I roll up on a call, - I want to know if you're carrying, and you need to tell me immediately".

And now, this will get even further complicated as officers are (at least in some areas) getting notification on their computers when they stop us that we have a CCW license... Think about that in the case where your kid may be driving a car registered to you, and they get stopped by some nervous LEO who may be treating them as though they are armed when they are not!

 

[Darth]

TMI!!!!!

No no no, let all your secrets be known when the cop comes up! SS# and Mother's Maiden Name too!

 

[MothMan]

I don't live in Nassau county nor will I ever. Moot BS. On my owned property I open carry most of time easier for LEO to determine that way. Traffic stop, Monkeyface has seen to it that LEO will know from all of the databases he has created.

 

[Jezman]

Do you know which counties those may be ? I wasn't aware of any counties with specific duty to inform regs and I did just a little bit of googling to try to figure out if that was so. I'm not saying you're wrong, my 'research' was certainly minimal, but the only thing I found was some references to city level ordinances. The page I was looking at (concealednation.org) said that Buffalo, Rochester, and NYC had duty to inform on that city level , but no mention of anything on the county level.

Don't remember which counties but I am sure some of the guys who live in them will chime in.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I don't need no stinking law to be smart in this day and age those would be the first words out of my mouth anyway, even if @Darth isn't going to agree! I'm not worried about this being an "infringement" on my rights, it's just common smarts. Times have changed and people are idiots! I let all kinds of people know I carry and I ain't ashamed nor scared of "printing" or whatever. It is what is and each to his own.

Would you tell them you are carrying a Buck folding knife in your pocket too on the off day you aren't carrying?

 

[4excal]

Would you tell them you are carrying a Buck folding knife in your pocket too on the off day you aren't carrying?

Well the "off days" we're like as many as I can count on my fingers in past 24 years..and my knife is always visible on my pant knife pocket everyday everywhere..but yea, once again, I'd say any weaponish kinda thing I got on me in a traffic stop or confronted. These kinda "laws" don't phase me, it's me I'm protecting by being preemptive. Just smarts. Beat it out before it can beat you..the way I roll in life.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Well the "off days" we're like as many as I can count on my fingers in past 24 years..and my knife is always visible on my pant knife pocket everyday everywhere..but yea, once again, I'd say any weaponish kinda thing I got on me in a traffic stop or confronted. These kinda "laws" don't phase me, it's me I'm protecting by being preemptive. Just smarts. Beat it out before it can beat you..the way I roll in life.

How are you protecting yourself? All you are doing is alerting him that you are armed. That does one of two things.

One. Alerting a good cop that doesn't care. Not telling him brings the same result.

Two. Alerting a bad cop that doesn't like you being armed. That cop now pulls you out of the car and disarms you for his safety. More can go wrong in this situation and you actually end up jeopardizing your life by telling him. By not telling him, you just get your ticket or not.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

 

[4excal]

How are you protecting yourself? All you are doing is alerting him that you are armed. That does one of two things.

One. Alerting a good cop that doesn't care. Not telling him brings the same result.

Two. Alerting a bad cop that doesn't like you being armed. That cop now pulls you out of the car and disarms you for his safety. More can go wrong in this situation and you actually end up jeopardize your life by telling him. By not telling him, you just get your ticket or not.

Protecting myself from an overzealous fool that may want to freak out on me for no reason which there are plenty of. I kinda thought that would have been obvious and not need an explanation

 

[Darth]

Protecting myself from an overzealous fool that may want to freak out on me for no reason which there are plenty of. I kinda thought that would have been obvious and not need an explanation

Keeping the shirt pulled down does the same thing.

 

[GOPerfect]

Um, nearly all cop cars are equipped to know already.

Once you re-register your permit, no longer a secret.

 

[4excal]

Um, nearly all cop cars are equipped to know already.

Once you re-register your permit, no longer a secret.

Huh! I forgot all about the BS game already lol. Still no letters in my mailbox

 

[4excal]

Keeping the shirt pulled down does the same thing.

Ahhh yeah. As @GOPerfect says below..not only do they already most likely know(me knowing that also being Robbie already told me, and the multitude of NYSP I'm friends with, as I already said before, it's a preemptive precaution I don't mind doing. And as I also posted, I knew you wouldn't be in agreement being the ole rebel behind the keyboard kinda permit holder


Ps..you and @Willjr75 are in cohoots OMG strange days!!!

 

[Darth]

Ahhh yeah. As @GOPerfect says below..not only do they already most likely know(me knowing that also being Robbie already told me, and the multitude of NYSP I'm friends with, as I already said before, it's a preemptive precaution I don't mind doing. And as I also posted, I knew you wouldn't be in agreement being the ole rebel behind the keyboard kinda permit holder


Ps..you and @Willjr75 are in cohoots OMG strange days!!!

Yeah, at times @Willjr75 and I both know bullshit when we see it.

No keyboard today though. Phone.

 

[Uzi]

It adds an additional variable to an equation that can only go wrong in your favor.

100% correct. The police aren't there to help you when you they ask you questions like that. Unless it is necessary, or you know it will bonafidely and substantially benefit you in some way, keep your mouth shut always.

 

[4excal]

Yeah, at times @Willjr75 and I both know bullshit when we see it.

No keyboard today though. Phone.

I loled a tad