Duty To Inform - It May Be Coming To NY...

[Marine Cpl]

I guess I am trying to understand what the big deal is here. I always used to inform, never once did it escalate into something.


I get/got pulled over a lot, never once was it an issue.

Perhaps you live in a place far away from the NYC. Perhaps you never ran into that one that'll tell you to step out of the vehicle and disarm you for his safety.. That's all it takes. What benefit do I get by informing when I don't have to.

 

[GOPerfect]

Perhaps you live in a place far away from the NYC. Perhaps you never ran into that one that'll tell you to step out of the vehicle and disarm you for his safety.. That's all it takes. What benefit do I get by informing when I don't have to.

But you have already stated nothing like this has happened to you. Watching too much on Youtube?

No one that I know has ever done this or had it done to them.

 

[CaseHardened]

Obviously it would be only prudent to speak up, speak clearly, and inform the Officer:


"I HAVE A GUN !!"


(what could possibly go wrong ?)​

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[Marine Cpl]

But you have already stated nothing like this has happened to you. Watching too much on Youtube?

No one that I know has ever done this or had it done to them.

Are you going to tell me with a straight face that it never happens and the news articles are fake?

Ok. GP. It's never happened. My mistake. I'll inform now.

 

[spat]

You can do what you want, I will do all that I can to get out of a ticket. (Pretend for a moment that I do not have a badge). If showing a bit of due, mutual respect, is overboard, than so be it.

You gonna make a big deal when this becomes the norm all over the State, that is, all cops knowing who is potentially armed? The day is coming very, very quick that all information will be in each and every car. Like I said, most agencies already have the knowledge.

When asked by the traffic cop, you gonna keep it to yourself?

When that day comes, the officer is likely going to ask you if you are armed before you even have a chance to volunteer the information.

If he asks (obviously), or if the fact that I am armed is material to the interaction (and if he is likely to search, it is), then I'll tell him, veery carefully, including details about what and where.

If my taillight is out, I can't see any good coming out of telling him about my pistol. I *could* be convinced that handing the permit over with the DL, insurance, and registration might be a good idea. Obviously that might induce him to ask, but that is different than just saying "I've got a gun". I'm open to arguments either way on handing the permit over though.....

 

[CaseHardened]

Light Bulbs burn out.

Suddenly and with NO ADVANCE WARNING.

I am of the mind that each and every time a LEO stops a vehicle initially for a LIGHT BULB VIOLATION it should be a warning - with 48 hours to correct the situation.

Anything else is simple Revenue Enhancement.

 

[stokes]

Light Bulbs burn out.

Suddenly and with NO ADVANCE WARNING.

I am of the mind that each and every time a LEO stops a vehicle initially for a LIGHT BULB VIOLATION it should be a warning - with 48 hours to correct the situation.

Anything else is simple Revenue Enhancement.

Already the case.In NY anyways.A couple of months ago my son was leaving my house in Columbia Co,got pulled over a half mile from me with a brake light out,was issued ticket and told by the trooper to have it repaired and go to his local precinct,or any precinct with proof,ticket was squashed.But what does any of this have to do with the original post?

 

[Acer-m14]

just put flowers n peace sign decals all over your vehicle .. when it comes up the a LEO''s PC .. CCW holder .. he will be all baffled ... that cant be right look at that car/truck LOL ..

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Obviously it would be only prudent to speak up, speak clearly, and inform the Officer:


"I HAVE A GUN !!"


(what could possibly go wrong ?)​

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Ask Philando Castile that question...He reportedly answered that he had a firearm first, and then reached for either it or his permit, and then mumbled something about it as he was bleeding out after being shot by the officer...

As someone who HAS been asked if I was carrying during a somewhat testy "interaction" with the police, my answer was stated as "Officer,- I have a NY concealed carry license, and yes, I am carrying a firearm" as I stood there calmly with my empty hands in plain sight in front of me.

He then asked me where it was, and I told him it was in my front right pocket. Then he told me that he was taking it from me "for his safety", (and he did), - and told me that I would get it back at the end of the call if no laws had been broken. He also took my permit card and verified that the S/N matched the gun.

When the other officer finally gave it back to me, it was unloaded, and he cautioned me to "wait until they left before I reloaded it, because racking the slide makes them very nervous...".

Um,- being the first time that kind of thing happened to me, you can count me in on that too!

 

[Acer-m14]

i'm glad i have never been pulled over on a range week .. i'll have normally 2 shotguns and 3 to 5 rifles in the back on the truck seat.. no permit to spark a warning that i carry ,. .. what is LEO going to think .;. its all in the open .. bolts open , no mags in them ..

leo: anything dangerous in the car/truck ..
ummmmmm i can't reach them ... you know seat belt law .. .... just me .. but my hand are griped firmly on the wheel .. not sure what the hunks of metal in the back seat will do .. ..

 

[Grimscale]

Orleans County already requires this. It was even said that it wasn't in New York Law, it was something the Judge wanted.
The Detective said during class that he would most likely disarm us and return the pistol after whatever interaction was over, unloaded, of course.

When I hit a deer and the State Police was called, I dutifully informed the officer that I was carrying. I kept my hands in plain sight and said "I am required to inform you that I have a New York pistol license and am carrying at this moment."
She only asked where it was and, when I stated it was in the right leg pocket of my cargo pants, said "as long as it stays there we'll be fine".

Good on her for behaving in a reasonable manner (I was nervous as hell, though, until she said that). And I, personally, do not have a problem informing a police officer. My interactions with officers have been positive over the years, so I don't mind easing their mind and making sure we all go home alive.
But I do not like being ORDERED to by an ever-increasingly overbearing government.

 

[Darth]

To this day I'll never understand the "easing their mind"/"calming them down" mindset.

You understand you are doing the opposite correct? If they don't know you are carrying, in what way does telling them you have a gun ease anything?

Man with no gun: Says nothing. Cop: :|

Man with gun: Says nothing. Cop: :|

Man with no gun: says "I have a gun." Cop:

Man with gun: says "I have a gun." Cop:

 

[Deplorable Me]

So NY is going through pistol permit recertification which links your pistol permit to your driver's license and we have automatic license plate reading technology. Since the government never makes mistakes and our data is completely secure what could possibly go wrong? What treaty will they pass with Canada or other states tomorrow that will legalize them busting my balls or harassing my family when they borrow my car?

And to think, criminals have a permanent exemption from these laws.

The problem is not in "duty to inform", the problem is in too many criminals being given preferential treatment. The proposed law is a scam to criminalize and make felons out of legal guns owners.

Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining. Keep the violent and repeat criminals locked up, end of problem.

 

[CaseHardened]

Already the case.In NY anyways.A couple of months ago my son was leaving my house in Columbia Co,got pulled over a half mile from me with a brake light out,was issued ticket and told by the trooper to have it repaired and go to his local precinct,or any precinct with proof,ticket was squashed.But what does any of this have to do with the original post?

Actually a lot.

Light Bulb "Violations" are a huge reason drivers that are otherwise minding their own business get pulled over.

LEO's check the License, and in many States the fact the Driver holds a LTC comes right up.

At that point many unpleasant outcomes are possible.