Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
FBI - hillary investigation back on
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Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Hillary and Andy can share a transgender prison cell.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
It might be the end of the RNC and the DNC - but only if we're really lucky.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Ummm...."cruel and unusual punishment" is unconstitutional. Sorry.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Only for the prison guards.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I still believe this is pretty meaningful. If we go with the very safe assumption that Comey, despite maybe being corrupt, is at least competent, he knew exactly what this was going to do. He did it anyway, so either he has swung to the other side for some reason (unlikely), or he has something damning. Apparently Loretta Lynch, ever the loyal soldier, told him not to do it.
Although it's possible he comes out Tuesday and says "oops, my bad, was nothing", the odds on that are insanely low because it would show him as completely, irredeemably incompetent.
The spin machine is now trying to turn this into an issue about Comey; impinging his standards and saying he shouldn't have done this. That is the best they can pull out of this right now. He seemed perfectly legit and a straight shooter to them back in July, so it's certainly some crocodile tears pretending he's all of a sudden a rank and file republican shill.
The worst thing about this is hillary is still favored to win. But, at least we can dream for another week and bask in the weeping of the democrats.
I should also point out that 538 has risen trump to almost 20% and that is before any post-bombshell polls come out. He's on the upswing. It was slow. I told a friend yesterday he's not making the ground he needs to, fast enough, to close the gap. But then this happened. He will accelerate. I'm not changing my prediction that hillary wins, but I do predict it won't be a landslide, and there is now a legitimate chance this entire election just got turned on its head. Believe me, I have no problem coming in on the 9th and saying okay guys I screwed this one, I can't believe Trump won (and I will do that). But don't count your chickens yet. The clinton machine is big and is hard to kill.
Although it's possible he comes out Tuesday and says "oops, my bad, was nothing", the odds on that are insanely low because it would show him as completely, irredeemably incompetent.
The spin machine is now trying to turn this into an issue about Comey; impinging his standards and saying he shouldn't have done this. That is the best they can pull out of this right now. He seemed perfectly legit and a straight shooter to them back in July, so it's certainly some crocodile tears pretending he's all of a sudden a rank and file republican shill.
The worst thing about this is hillary is still favored to win. But, at least we can dream for another week and bask in the weeping of the democrats.
I should also point out that 538 has risen trump to almost 20% and that is before any post-bombshell polls come out. He's on the upswing. It was slow. I told a friend yesterday he's not making the ground he needs to, fast enough, to close the gap. But then this happened. He will accelerate. I'm not changing my prediction that hillary wins, but I do predict it won't be a landslide, and there is now a legitimate chance this entire election just got turned on its head. Believe me, I have no problem coming in on the 9th and saying okay guys I screwed this one, I can't believe Trump won (and I will do that). But don't count your chickens yet. The clinton machine is big and is hard to kill.
Arjuna
.338 Win Mag
Could he be growing a set ?
Comey defied Lynch in telling Congress about renewed Hillary probe | New York Post
Comey defied Lynch in telling Congress about renewed Hillary probe | New York Post
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
If Illary wins, I can't imagine how she could be in any way effective. She's screwed over everybody she's crossed. Anybody who cooperates with her will be assumed to be corrupt.
She's damaged goods.
She's damaged goods.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Don't let him fool you, Comeys a bad seed . He had more than enough evidence to go to court the first time. , and he didn't.The FBI destroyed evidence under his direction. He also let this bombshell out on Friday , the best day to let bad news out . I suspect That there is something he can no longer hide and if he tries to, he will be arrested by his own agency. I think he had to make a move or go down with her .
Honestly I think it might be something like her taking money from the Chinese for favors . ie treason.
Honestly I think it might be something like her taking money from the Chinese for favors . ie treason.
Arjuna
.338 Win Mag
Just thinking that makes me feel warm and fuzzy
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
I think you're spot on. Like I said previously, I think that once this stuff left DC and turned up in the NY field office, all the extraordinary controls to prevent leaks were gone. Whatever they found was seen by a lot of rank and file agents and staff, and its only a mater of time before someone talks.
Arjuna
.338 Win Mag
Gunright
.45 acp
People are so screwed up and in love with their candidate (in this case Hillary) that I doubt even that would cause them to change their vote. Hopefully this will be enough for those on the margin that she doesn't win....but I'm not holding my breath. If we are lucky, this will cause enough of those 'leaning Hillery' to stay home....
There is already evidence that she and Bill took money for favors, just look at the Clinton Foundation...and yet that has made little difference to her supporters...
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
It's true. A large portion of the country is actually irredeemable. They will vote for their candidate regardless of anything that candidate has done.
I'm certainly happier now to admit "my" candidate is just a damn clown, not a corrupt criminal who deserves to be in prison. She has made voting for Trump far easier. That 63 year old neighbor of yours who drives a subaru with a coexist sticker on the back was already beyond saving; yesterday's news wasn't for her. But hopefully this makes some of those sideline voters think better of a vote for the status quo.
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Interesting open letter:
Articles: A Retired FBI Agent Addresses James Comey on the Hillary Clinton Investigation
Mr. James Comey, Director
Federal Bureau of Investigation
J. Edgar Hoover Building
935 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W
Washington, D.C. 20535-0001
Sir,
I am writing regarding your public statement in July, 2016 informing the American people that the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton was being closed without referring it to a Federal Grand Jury or the Attorney General of the U. S. for a decision whether or not to indict her. Strangely, you eloquently laid out enough of the evidence deduced from the investigation to strongly indicate there was abundant evidence uncovered during the investigation and interview of her to not only indict but to convict her in Federal Court. However, you personally re-worded and soft-pedaled the actions she took as Secretary of State describing her actions as "extremely careless” in using a personal email and un-secured server for her communications while Secretary of State. You rewrote the statute, which is not your job.
As a retired Special Agent of the FBI, I have standing to write this letter. My thirty years in law enforcement, including 22 years as a Special Agent with the FBI have given me the knowledge, expertise and experience to question and confront you for your perplexing actions, which (as you well know) were outside the normal standard operating procedure of the FBI and Federal judicial procedures. Some of the finest people in the world proudly carry the credentials of FBI Agent and you have soiled them and not allowed them to speak. But I will not be silent.
Sorry, but NO SIR, MS Clinton was not merely careless or extremely careless. She was not even negligent or grossly negligent (as the statute requires). Hillary Clinton was knowingly purposeful in her decisions and actions to set up a server under her exclusive control and possession in order to control what information was available to the American public and Congress regarding her actions as Secretary of State. Furthermore, she took those government owned communications into her personal possession after leaving her position and knowingly and willingly attempted to destroy them so her nefarious actions could never be known or used as evidence of her corrupt moral character against her.
Sir, what possessed you? Did you cave in to political pressure to unilaterally come to this decision? I fear that is the case, and Rule of Law be damned. I am embarrassed for and ashamed of you. You have set a precedent that can never be rectified… and certainly not justified. Shame on you, Sir. You ought to resign right now in disgrace for what you have done to tarnish the reputation of the finest Law Enforcement Agency in the world… for entirely political reasons.
Normally, an investigation will be assigned to an agent, or team of agents with one being the Case agent, or the lead investigator. When the investigation is complete, an investigative report will be presented to the U.S. Attorney for the Federal District involved. It would be the U.S. Attorney who decides whether to decline prosecution for that investigation... NOT the FBI agent. But in the Clinton investigation, YOU (unilaterally) decided not to forward the investigation to the U.S. Attorney or the Attorney General of the U.S., but instead personally made the decision not to prosecute her or even provide the information to a Federal Grand Jury. You were wrong to take this upon yourself.
Sir, in order to indict a subject, only a preponderance of evidence, or 51% is needed for probable cause to exist. You did not think even that level of probability existed? Who do you think you are fooling? What judicial proceeding did you think you were following?
Throughout my years with the FBI, I (along with my fellow agents) took great pride in conducting each investigation in an unbiased manner regardless of the subject’s position or standing in the community.
All were treated equally under the law. But you, Sir, decided to allow this corrupt, evil and nasty human being to go free and unchallenged for her treasonous actions (yes, treasonous, in my opinion) which threatened the security of this nation. Furthermore, you stopped short of investigating the Clinton Foundation as a RICO case (Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organization. This is a RICO case if
there ever were one. Even an untrained person can tell from the communications which were recovered that Hillary Clinton spent more time working for the Clinton Foundation while Secretary of State than on State Business. It may be argued that Hillary did not do any State business UNLESS the Clinton Foundation benefitted. You decided to just let this uncomfortable truth alone without addressing it.
I will conclude with this: Following my retirement from the FBI, I volunteered for a 12 month tour of duty in Afghanistan as a Law Enforcement Professional, embedded with U.S. forces as a subject matter expert in counter-terrorism investigations. For most of that year I operated “outside the wire” patrolling with the troops, interviewing witnesses to IED incidents and gathering evidence on the bad guys. The results of my work would then be reported through secure channels to the Commanding Officer. All reports and communications were required to be transmitted via secure and encrypted devices. Occasionally my remote location in the mountains of Afghanistan made transmission impossible and I would have to fly back to Bagram Air Base in order to securely report to the Commander of the battle space. It would have been convenient if I could have just called the Commander on my personal cell phone or written him an email on my personal laptop. But, had I done so I would have been reporting classified information via an unsecured device and it could have been compromised. These were, relative to Secretary of State communications, low level classifications of Secret. Had I ever sent even one in such a manner I would have been prosecuted and sent to Federal Prison for 20 years or so. That is how serious this violation is considered.
Now, because of you, Hillary Clinton is allowed to continue her RICO activities and is running for President of the United States, the most powerful position in the world. You have trampled on the Rule of Law and destroyed the trust of the American people in the FBI and in unbiased enforcement of the law. How do you sleep at night? It is time for you to go and work for the Clinton Foundation.
Sincerely,
Hugh W. Galyean
(FBI Agent, Retired)
Articles: A Retired FBI Agent Addresses James Comey on the Hillary Clinton Investigation
Mr. James Comey, Director
Federal Bureau of Investigation
J. Edgar Hoover Building
935 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W
Washington, D.C. 20535-0001
Sir,
I am writing regarding your public statement in July, 2016 informing the American people that the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton was being closed without referring it to a Federal Grand Jury or the Attorney General of the U. S. for a decision whether or not to indict her. Strangely, you eloquently laid out enough of the evidence deduced from the investigation to strongly indicate there was abundant evidence uncovered during the investigation and interview of her to not only indict but to convict her in Federal Court. However, you personally re-worded and soft-pedaled the actions she took as Secretary of State describing her actions as "extremely careless” in using a personal email and un-secured server for her communications while Secretary of State. You rewrote the statute, which is not your job.
As a retired Special Agent of the FBI, I have standing to write this letter. My thirty years in law enforcement, including 22 years as a Special Agent with the FBI have given me the knowledge, expertise and experience to question and confront you for your perplexing actions, which (as you well know) were outside the normal standard operating procedure of the FBI and Federal judicial procedures. Some of the finest people in the world proudly carry the credentials of FBI Agent and you have soiled them and not allowed them to speak. But I will not be silent.
Sorry, but NO SIR, MS Clinton was not merely careless or extremely careless. She was not even negligent or grossly negligent (as the statute requires). Hillary Clinton was knowingly purposeful in her decisions and actions to set up a server under her exclusive control and possession in order to control what information was available to the American public and Congress regarding her actions as Secretary of State. Furthermore, she took those government owned communications into her personal possession after leaving her position and knowingly and willingly attempted to destroy them so her nefarious actions could never be known or used as evidence of her corrupt moral character against her.
Sir, what possessed you? Did you cave in to political pressure to unilaterally come to this decision? I fear that is the case, and Rule of Law be damned. I am embarrassed for and ashamed of you. You have set a precedent that can never be rectified… and certainly not justified. Shame on you, Sir. You ought to resign right now in disgrace for what you have done to tarnish the reputation of the finest Law Enforcement Agency in the world… for entirely political reasons.
Normally, an investigation will be assigned to an agent, or team of agents with one being the Case agent, or the lead investigator. When the investigation is complete, an investigative report will be presented to the U.S. Attorney for the Federal District involved. It would be the U.S. Attorney who decides whether to decline prosecution for that investigation... NOT the FBI agent. But in the Clinton investigation, YOU (unilaterally) decided not to forward the investigation to the U.S. Attorney or the Attorney General of the U.S., but instead personally made the decision not to prosecute her or even provide the information to a Federal Grand Jury. You were wrong to take this upon yourself.
Sir, in order to indict a subject, only a preponderance of evidence, or 51% is needed for probable cause to exist. You did not think even that level of probability existed? Who do you think you are fooling? What judicial proceeding did you think you were following?
Throughout my years with the FBI, I (along with my fellow agents) took great pride in conducting each investigation in an unbiased manner regardless of the subject’s position or standing in the community.
All were treated equally under the law. But you, Sir, decided to allow this corrupt, evil and nasty human being to go free and unchallenged for her treasonous actions (yes, treasonous, in my opinion) which threatened the security of this nation. Furthermore, you stopped short of investigating the Clinton Foundation as a RICO case (Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organization. This is a RICO case if
there ever were one. Even an untrained person can tell from the communications which were recovered that Hillary Clinton spent more time working for the Clinton Foundation while Secretary of State than on State Business. It may be argued that Hillary did not do any State business UNLESS the Clinton Foundation benefitted. You decided to just let this uncomfortable truth alone without addressing it.
I will conclude with this: Following my retirement from the FBI, I volunteered for a 12 month tour of duty in Afghanistan as a Law Enforcement Professional, embedded with U.S. forces as a subject matter expert in counter-terrorism investigations. For most of that year I operated “outside the wire” patrolling with the troops, interviewing witnesses to IED incidents and gathering evidence on the bad guys. The results of my work would then be reported through secure channels to the Commanding Officer. All reports and communications were required to be transmitted via secure and encrypted devices. Occasionally my remote location in the mountains of Afghanistan made transmission impossible and I would have to fly back to Bagram Air Base in order to securely report to the Commander of the battle space. It would have been convenient if I could have just called the Commander on my personal cell phone or written him an email on my personal laptop. But, had I done so I would have been reporting classified information via an unsecured device and it could have been compromised. These were, relative to Secretary of State communications, low level classifications of Secret. Had I ever sent even one in such a manner I would have been prosecuted and sent to Federal Prison for 20 years or so. That is how serious this violation is considered.
Now, because of you, Hillary Clinton is allowed to continue her RICO activities and is running for President of the United States, the most powerful position in the world. You have trampled on the Rule of Law and destroyed the trust of the American people in the FBI and in unbiased enforcement of the law. How do you sleep at night? It is time for you to go and work for the Clinton Foundation.
Sincerely,
Hugh W. Galyean
(FBI Agent, Retired)
Arjuna
.338 Win Mag
UpStateEd
.45 acp
FBI Director Comey sent a letter to both parties in Congress stating that he is re-opening the email case against Hillary Clinton because of newly discovered emails. Her party is crying foul stating that Comey is violating DOJ policy by publicly announcing the re-investigation.
The media is stating that Comey doesn't even have a search warrant for "Tony the Weiner's" laptop and should be quiet until he knows what the "thousands" of emails actually reveal. Problem is AG Lynch is the only one that can authorize the warrant application. I suspect that if Comey kept quiet and asked for a search warrant via Lynch she would just sit on it until after the election. By sending the letter publicly to Congress, the ball and facts are now "publicly" in Lynch's court, she'll (AKA: Obama) have to take some kind of action before the election.
My gut feeling is that Comey must really have something good... if Hillary was to be elected President and then found guilty on the security violations..we would have a serious constitutional crisis to deal with.
What a mess...I'm voting to save the Supreme Court
The media is stating that Comey doesn't even have a search warrant for "Tony the Weiner's" laptop and should be quiet until he knows what the "thousands" of emails actually reveal. Problem is AG Lynch is the only one that can authorize the warrant application. I suspect that if Comey kept quiet and asked for a search warrant via Lynch she would just sit on it until after the election. By sending the letter publicly to Congress, the ball and facts are now "publicly" in Lynch's court, she'll (AKA: Obama) have to take some kind of action before the election.
My gut feeling is that Comey must really have something good... if Hillary was to be elected President and then found guilty on the security violations..we would have a serious constitutional crisis to deal with.
What a mess...I'm voting to save the Supreme Court
Arjuna
.338 Win Mag
MikeM
.44 mag
I would have paid a lot to have been near her on the plane when she heard about the letter.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Perhaps a more knowledgeable person can answer .. Mr Huma was caught sexting a minor . This brought in child protective services ...Through that investigation they find Huma and Mr Huma discussing this problem more than once . The entire contents of the computers are in fair play looking for more evidence to arrest Mr Huma... That computer has E-mails from Hillary that are classified . Perhaps top secret . .. Even though Hillary cannot recognize this fact ... A low level investigator says wow .. 25 navy seals will be attacking a certain position on July 25 at 2 am to kidnap a certain Mohammad XXX. .. .By now a team of say 20 people have been making copies of this computer working on that texting case . and everyone finds out they are reading classified information . . This gets turned over to the NY office of the FBI ..Dozens of agents pour through this computer . Now you have 40-50 people have knowledge of this situation . .... By time it gets to Washington too many folks know about what is on this computer to hush it up . Hundreds of copies of that computer have been made (that they know about )... And that is why it had to be made public . Perhaps half of the files are ones that team Hillary destroyed and the FBI never ever saw. You know Navy Seals wearing yoga pants while on that mission . ..... Is this how it could have gone down . ? Too many eyes have seen too much information NOT under control of the folks at the top.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Comey and the FBI know dam well what's on those emails.The FBI didn't grab a computer and say hey we have some emails lets re-open the investigation and hope we find something maybe. NOPE. Obviously they looked at enough emails to find enough probable cause to re- open the case. They know what the deal is. they got her. now they're trying to figure out what to do about it.
After Comey destroyed the evidence the last time, Im sure the agents have taken precautions to make sure that isn't going to happen again , he was FORCED to re open the investigation or burn with her.
After Comey destroyed the evidence the last time, Im sure the agents have taken precautions to make sure that isn't going to happen again , he was FORCED to re open the investigation or burn with her.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
If your catching flak, your over the target. Shes taking damage.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Maria Bartoromo+1
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Not so much
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Trump is gonna win, and we are going to right the ship!
There is a social media blackout on this story. They are trying to keep the sheep blind.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Hope so. But I wouldn't be surprised