FUAC Signs New Law For All Officer's !
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pjzwtl
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I say FUAC to anything but I find it a little disturbing we would need a law to require any first response personnel in any environment to know CPR. One would think it is a no brainer.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
I thought CPR was only necessary if your heart had stopped? Seems delay in transport to the hospital would have had the patient die in the field. Huh?
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
maybe it's already part of training for Officer's in service in NYS but we all know 
isn't going to let something like this get by his I know better than you attitude 
I'm sure any members that are duty will chime in 
pjzwtl
.308 Win
May only mean he was pronounced dead at the hospital but since I take the info in the news article with a grain of salt he may have had a pulse at that time. Family and by-standers may or may not have a clue and often just talk from emotion or out of their ass.
I assume so but if it wasent wouldn't that be FUAC's fault anyway? .. The buck after all stops at his desk. FUAC...just because!!
I would dare to say though that not all keep up on it. This I do know
Um I thought a wide spectrum of basic first aid was already part of the LE toolbox? Why wouldn't it be if not?
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
I wonder what kind of liability this adds to a LEO's already hectic job? Why just LEOs? Why not all public sector employees?
Hell, first aid was part of both my high school and college curriculums. Why isn't this mandatory today? My kids had to take 5 credits of Spanish (mandatory) but no first aid. First aid is everyone's responsibility, make it a part of the citizenship process. It just might save one child's life.
Hell, first aid was part of both my high school and college curriculums. Why isn't this mandatory today? My kids had to take 5 credits of Spanish (mandatory) but no first aid. First aid is everyone's responsibility, make it a part of the citizenship process. It just might save one child's life.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Okay, now let's see what they leave out.
I am not doing CRP again to anyone who I don't know or without some type of pathogen barrier.
Mouth to mouth is not as clean as some actor on TV makes it to be. They often throw up in the middle of it if air gets to the stomach. And they are often with HIV, hep C or other diseases. Child or not
I personally am not doing it again.
some departments don't replace them after they are used.
And yes I know the CPR without the mouth to mouth but it's not what's being taught in most departments.
We are already taught this in most departments so law means nothing. The cop involved in this case was also taught CPR. It's BS he wasn't taught. He might not have been current but he didn't want to do for the above reasons
I am not doing CRP again to anyone who I don't know or without some type of pathogen barrier.
Mouth to mouth is not as clean as some actor on TV makes it to be. They often throw up in the middle of it if air gets to the stomach. And they are often with HIV, hep C or other diseases. Child or not
I personally am not doing it again.
some departments don't replace them after they are used.
And yes I know the CPR without the mouth to mouth but it's not what's being taught in most departments.
We are already taught this in most departments so law means nothing. The cop involved in this case was also taught CPR. It's BS he wasn't taught. He might not have been current but he didn't want to do for the above reasons
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I was Taught CPR but was informed that if I choose to do it , I could be made liable ( as an officer) if that person died. and We were not covered under the good Samaritan act. I know this is Florida law but Federal law was similar. I don't know what law NY follows
In view of Florida appellate court decision recognizing a common law duty of a municipal police officer to render did to ill, injured, or distressed persons during an emergency and until and unless determined to the contrary by the Florida Supreme Court, municipal police officers are under a legal duty to provide aid to the ill, injured, and distressed during an emergency. Therefore, the provisions of s. 768.13, F. S., the Good Samaritan Act, would not be applicable to police officers acting within the scope of their employment. The liability of a municipality, if any, for the acts of its employee would be limited by the terms of s. 768.28(5), F. S., to $50,000 on the claim or judgment by any one person or a maximum of $100,000 on all claims or judgments arising out of the same incident or occurrence.
In view of Florida appellate court decision recognizing a common law duty of a municipal police officer to render did to ill, injured, or distressed persons during an emergency and until and unless determined to the contrary by the Florida Supreme Court, municipal police officers are under a legal duty to provide aid to the ill, injured, and distressed during an emergency. Therefore, the provisions of s. 768.13, F. S., the Good Samaritan Act, would not be applicable to police officers acting within the scope of their employment. The liability of a municipality, if any, for the acts of its employee would be limited by the terms of s. 768.28(5), F. S., to $50,000 on the claim or judgment by any one person or a maximum of $100,000 on all claims or judgments arising out of the same incident or occurrence.
Good Samaritan laws should be made to cover LE as well. Its not hard to keep some CPR barrier seals in a car either. I would think first aid would be an area of training LE departments heavily invested in, even if only to treat their own people in an emergency while waiting for med services to arrive. For myself getting updated first aider training is now a top priority.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I think most depts are covered .
Basically, it is a way to avoid law suits for uncle sam.
Basically, it is a way to avoid law suits for uncle sam.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Not if the first doctor to see her and pronounce her was in the hospital
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Do you know the success rate of cpr outside of a hospital?
I been told it is ad low as 4% without a defib machine nearby. Yes, most of us are now trained in it. Some of us have even more training but do the details of the law give more liability? I don't know.
I been told it is ad low as 4% without a defib machine nearby. Yes, most of us are now trained in it. Some of us have even more training but do the details of the law give more liability? I don't know.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
If that includes mouth to mouth I'm thinking I would lose my job.
Robin
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pjzwtl
.308 Win
Stats on this are hard and vary from region to region. Good effective CPR doesn't always mean you may get spontaneous return of a pulse on a viable patient it simply means the patient is kept viable until advanced means are available by continuing the perfusion of the brain and vital organs.
Keeping current should be mandatory. Choosing to not act in most cases is well.. just fucked up.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Have you had to take the HIV cocktail because of doing CPR?
Have you had to worry about Hepatitis or herpes, and a host of other diseases from CPR?
Have you had someone throw up in your mouth from CPR ?
Now knowing it's less than 5 % chance is person is going to live, no matter what you do without a defib.
Having been around people with diseases that have been rare in this country, I would hedtiate to make contact with bodily fluids.
Do you still think it's f'd up if someone decides not to do CPR.
I won't do it without the proper protective equipment and cops don't always have it with them.
As staying current. EMS who do it everyday still have to take refresher courses in it but doctors don't. And innthe real world , the count is not that important and not done by guys who do it all the time.
More cops will donit if the mouth to mouth is eliminated and the liability issue is better addressed.
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I am trained. I think every copper that I know also has training. We re-certify every year. We are taught with and without a mask. The masks all have one way valves so we do not come in contact with the nasty that many have.
If there is no mask around, I will wait for EMT's to arrive on scene. Ani't putting my mouth on the mouth of a dirty. No sir, is not happening.
BTW, we in NY are covered if the person dies while we are performing CPR.
If there is no mask around, I will wait for EMT's to arrive on scene. Ani't putting my mouth on the mouth of a dirty. No sir, is not happening.
BTW, we in NY are covered if the person dies while we are performing CPR.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
They are cops not medics. They can't be everything. He's an asshat.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
911 can i help you .. lady screaming my little girl is having a ashama attack please help .. .. 911 whats the address .. .. lady screaming .. 5492374234234 fsdsad97421234 911 .. mam calm down what was that address again mam ... ok we have rescue on the way ... should be there in 30 minutes ..
how about a law that every fkin parent lean basic first aid and CPR ... FUAC!!! ...
PS .. oh do we have the written law avail .. bet is does not say they have to do it , just learn it LMAO ..
PSS .. NYC CPR is .. keep kicking them in the ribs .. breath bro or your gunna die .. who's know what u will catch with mouth to mouth ..
how about a law that every fkin parent lean basic first aid and CPR ... FUAC!!! ...
PS .. oh do we have the written law avail .. bet is does not say they have to do it , just learn it LMAO ..
PSS .. NYC CPR is .. keep kicking them in the ribs .. breath bro or your gunna die .. who's know what u will catch with mouth to mouth ..
More people are saved every year by poorly prform CPR then saved quickly by get them to a hospitle. Bad CPR early is better then non and getting to the hospital quickly.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
So, what is your liability for just doing it without the rescue breathing ?
I am sure that is far more effective than nothing, at least that is how our class was taught.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
@spat .. i do believe the top court ruled .. cops do not need to protect you in simple talk .. just there to clean up the mess ..
they are there to protect the community not a single person .. like i said above .. this is a FUAC law .. it should have been every parent with a child should know it .. ems and leo are minutes or 30 minutes away ..
they are there to protect the community not a single person .. like i said above .. this is a FUAC law .. it should have been every parent with a child should know it .. ems and leo are minutes or 30 minutes away ..
I haven't been a first responder in many years now, but I believe the way cpr is done has changed. I think it's been proven that the most critical component now is chest compressions with few if any respirations. Anybody current here care to enlighten me?
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
same here so baffled .. but i think if you have 2 persons both go full tilt .. max o2 and compression .. it basics .. blood flow with no O2 .. not good .. brain with out O2 not good ..
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Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
Meh. Two hours in the academy
Bystander CPR is now being taught as hands-only, no ventilations.
CPR for the Professional Rescuer assumes that a barrier device is available and teaches ventilations.
IMO, Law-enforcement officers who are expected to perform CPR as part of their duties SHOULD be issued a barrier device as part of their PPE.
Bystander CPR is now being taught as hands-only, no ventilations.
CPR for the Professional Rescuer assumes that a barrier device is available and teaches ventilations.
IMO, Law-enforcement officers who are expected to perform CPR as part of their duties SHOULD be issued a barrier device as part of their PPE.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
That changes with laws like these.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Again, I'm issued more than 40 lbs in gear. We can't carry it all, all the time. What about those assigned to a foot post? Not all cops are assigned to cars. What about plainclothes assignments?
If I were to wear all of the equipment I'm supposed to have, it would be too bulky to carry or fulfill my primary role( as opposed to fire or EMS).
If I have a defib and equipment, great. I've used it. If I don't, I'm not doing it unless I know you and even then, maybe not.
Think about it. A cop is at an airport and someone getting off the plane collapses. Who knows what this person has. I'm waiting until someone with the equipment shows up.
C3D
.308 Win
The NYPD is well trained in New York CPR:
LOOK . . . for jewelry
FEEL . . . for a wallet
LISTEN . . . for change
LOOK . . . for jewelry
FEEL . . . for a wallet
LISTEN . . . for change
Bob
6.5 Creedmoor
And you have no legal obligation to, regardless of training. Even under the new law. Duty to act is covered under NYS Public Health Law, and does not pertain to law-enforcement unless they are responding specifically in an EMS capacity. (There are police departments in NY that operate EMS units)
The only thing this law does is mandates CPR training in the academy and every two years thereafter. Two hours in the academy and two hours of inservice every couple of years. That's it. It gives LEOs additional tools to help save lives. Whether you use them or not is up to you. But if you choose to, and you're there in an official capacity, now you'll have training records to help cover your ass from liability.
And since the law only pertains to NYSP and NYPD, if you don't work for either of those agencies, you don't have to worry about it anyway.
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pjzwtl
.308 Win
Who said anything about mouth to mouth or even mouth to mask? If your training is current you would know you can do compressions only.
Save the drama for the clueless.
With that said I don't touch any patient without gloves. And have never and will never put my mouth on a stranger.
