"Ghost guns" A-9903A amended ( merged with senate ghost gun thread)

[DrBleachCocktail]

In all honesty does voting even matter anymore?

 

[gunpoliticsny]

It would if some 2A organization bothered to participate in the election process.

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

I’m a very optimistic person but I don’t really see a reason why any 2A group would even get involved with NY. We all said it ourselves that NY is a lost cause. First ban 80% lowers, then ban assembling your rifle from parts then calibers.

 

[Saltwater60]

In all honesty does voting even matter anymore?

No it doesn’t unless you live in NYC.

By the way I’m reading this I will be a felon if I take my firearm apart to clean it, repair a broken part, and reassemble the components of my firearm. Anyone care to dispute that or think I’m wrong?

I guess they at least had the sense to include this. Undoubtedly this will pass and pass quickly. I guess I’d better get moving on a few things. This state is in the toilet and swirling fast.
GUNSMITH" SHALL NOT INCLUDE ANY PERSON WHO PERFORMS
ROUTINE CLEANING OR MAINTENANCE ON A LAWFULLY POSSESSED FIREARM, RIFLE

 

[1075tech]

No it doesn’t unless you live in NYC.

By the way I’m reading this I will be a felon if I take my firearm apart to clean it, repair a broken part, and reassemble the components of my firearm. Anyone care to dispute that or think I’m wrong?

I guess they at least had the sense to include this. Undoubtedly this will pass and pass quickly. I guess I’d better get moving on a few things. This state is in the toilet and swirling fast.
GUNSMITH" SHALL NOT INCLUDE ANY PERSON WHO PERFORMS
ROUTINE CLEANING OR MAINTENANCE ON A LAWFULLY POSSESSED FIREARM, RIFLE

The key is "lawfully possessed". This will just be an add on charge once everything is made retroactively unlawful.

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

Police shouldn’t enforce this law but they have their own problems to deal with. I think all of America will just ban or get rid of the 2A.

 

[BDinPutnam]

No it doesn’t unless you live in NYC.

By the way I’m reading this I will be a felon if I take my firearm apart to clean it, repair a broken part, and reassemble the components of my firearm. Anyone care to dispute that or think I’m wrong?

I guess they at least had the sense to include this. Undoubtedly this will pass and pass quickly. I guess I’d better get moving on a few things. This state is in the toilet and swirling fast.
GUNSMITH" SHALL NOT INCLUDE ANY PERSON WHO PERFORMS
ROUTINE CLEANING OR MAINTENANCE ON A LAWFULLY POSSESSED FIREARM, RIFLE

I actually think the opposite.

NYC is generally a monolithic (D) vote every time and with a population of 8 million or so, statistically one vote may be as good as any other but unlikely to change much statewide.

We need everyone outside of NYC voting. Regardless of the ratio, "not NYC" still outnumbers NYC population. Granted, when you add Westchester, most of Long Island, and the cities upstate to that I am not sure what the mix is.

 

[Jmac00]

how are **they** going to enforce this asinine law???

are the police going to start raiding every deer camp in the wilderness to make sure none of us are cleaning our firearms? are the police going to start raiding peoples homes, at random hours to try and catch a law abiding citizen taking their guns apart and putting them back together

pass all the laws you want, but if the laws are UNENFORCEABLE, whats the point

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

So New Yorkers aren’t able to buy rifle and pistol kits no more to save the consumer money? There’s a lot of shady speculation going on.

 

[ManrisFrack]

So New Yorkers aren’t able to buy rifle and pistol kits no more to save the consumer money? There’s a lot of shady speculation going on.

Technically, they won't be prohibited from selling parts. The AG may well pull a move similar to the 80% lowers and effectively kill the legit parts market. That's just one problem with this law... what's routine maintenance? For AR15s it's pretty easy and routine to change out almost any part of it.

Anyone have any idea what is supposed to happen to 80%s that already have a serial number? Can a "gunsmith" legally register a gun he didn't actually make and/or serialize?

 

[@thewheels]

Whether the black robes call it a ball or a strike, this is plainly an infringement and the shitweasels who wrote it, support it and eventually pass it deserve the worst that life has to offer.

 

[Saltwater60]

The key is "lawfully possessed". This will just be an add on charge once everything is made retroactively unlawful.

I understand it’s lawfully possessed but it only says you’re authorized to clean and maintain your own lawfully possessed firearm not repair it. I had an old rifle with a broken firing pin I replaced that and repaired the gun. The way I’m reading that if I do this 180 days after this passes I’m a felon. That’s my question. No swapping and AR-15 stock or pistol sights on your own either. Forget adding a scope yourself.

 

[Saltwater60]

I actually think the opposite.

NYC is generally a monolithic (D) vote every time and with a population of 8 million or so, statistically one vote may be as good as any other but unlikely to change much statewide.

We need everyone outside of NYC voting. Regardless of the ratio, "not NYC" still outnumbers NYC population. Granted, when you add Westchester, most of Long Island, and the cities upstate to that I am not sure what the mix is.

Nyc as in the 5 boroughs is 45% of NYS population. If they vote one way you’d literally need 100% of nys to vote another for anything outside of nyc to count. Of course that’s assuming nyc votes one way. Also take into consideration I’m sure there are fewer under 18 year olds in nyc than in other parts of the state that hurts us even worse.

 

[Saltwater60]

Technically, they won't be prohibited from selling parts. The AG may well pull a move similar to the 80% lowers and effectively kill the legit parts market. That's just one problem with this law... what's routine maintenance? For AR15s it's pretty easy and routine to change out almost any part of it.

Anyone have any idea what is supposed to happen to 80%s that already have a serial number? Can a "gunsmith" legally register a gun he didn't actually make and/or serialize?

While it’s routine to change and swap out parts it’s not cleaning or maitenance IMO. I’d say cleaning is removing soils and Maitenance is applying lubrication to make it run.

I agree with bleach cocktail as that was my question earlier. I think you’ll be able to buy the part or parts but you won’t be able to install it yourself. The way it reads you’ll need to take it to a certified gunsmith. That’s fucked up.

 

[Bigfoot]

It will never end...
It will never be enough for them.
There is more to come... Much more.
FUAC gets everything he wants from the legislature.
Judges will twist logic into a pretzel to support Cuomo's Anti 2A agenda.

That's the reality of it.

I can't think of anything that would slow down the infringements coming out of Albany much less stop them all together.

More draconian gun people control laws are always in the pipe, just waiting for a crisis not to be wasted.

 

[ManrisFrack]

While it’s routine to change and swap out parts it’s not cleaning or maitenance IMO. I’d say cleaning is removing soils and Maitenance is applying lubrication to make it run.

I agree with bleach cocktail as that was my question earlier. I think you’ll be able to buy the part or parts but you won’t be able to install it yourself. The way it reads you’ll need to take it to a certified gunsmith. That’s fucked up.

It's entirely possible that no one will sell to you directly. 80% receivers aren't illegal yet but good ole Letitia brought the state's power to bear and now you can hardly find anyone that will sell you one. Similar situation with ammo.

If this passes, I will certainly be looking into acquiring a gunsmithing license. It's insane that we would need a permission slip from the state to fix our legally owned property without committing a felony... but here we are.

 

[Chevusa]

This isn't any different than the "you need trigger locks on all guns" law. Nobody knows what you're doing in your own home. Proceed as usual.

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

If this passes I’m not complying. I’m assembling my AR and cleaning them after using them. I’m trained to clean my rifle after every use and im not going to a range with a firearm that have 3 years CLP buildup.

 

[technicalgadget]

The Supreme Court has been patiently waiting for a worthy second amendment case. NYC's incrementalism against the second amendment will eventually cause the tide to be turned in a landmark decision.

 

[DrBleachCocktail]

The Supreme Court has been patiently waiting for a worthy second amendment case. NYC's incrementalism against the second amendment will eventually cause the tide to be turned in a landmark decision.

Didn’t they blatantly throw away all 10 2A cases but preferred the LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ cases instead?

 

[technicalgadget]

IMHO, none of them were really worthy of a review for a landmark Supreme Court ruling. Brett Kavanaugh won't easily forget the mud the left dragged him and his family through.

 

[ManrisFrack]

The Supreme Court has been patiently waiting for a worthy second amendment case. NYC's incrementalism against the second amendment will eventually cause the tide to be turned in a landmark decision.

Only if Trump wins and replaces RBG. Or maybe Gorsuch will join Roberts in the "middle" (which is really just center left now) and we'll keep getting bent over.

If this passes I’m not complying. I’m assembling my AR and cleaning them after using them. I’m trained to clean my rifle after every use and im not going to a range with a firearm that have 3 years CLP buildup.

Disassembly, cleaning and reassembly should be completely legal the way this is written. Changing your handguard or replacing a broken bolt would be a felony (depending on how broadly "maintenance" is interpreted).

All those wildcatter and BR guys who cut their own chambers and change barrels after a few hundred rounds might be hosed. No more guys like Mek creating new rounds in his basement.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

IMHO, none of them were really worthy of a review for a landmark Supreme Court ruling. Brett Kavanaugh won't easily forget the mud the left dragged him and his family through.

Does a case have to be landmark though? I mean wouldn't it be just as good to win little by little? We're not winning shit. Not even a bread crumb.

 

[Saltwater60]

IMHO, none of them were really worthy of a review for a landmark Supreme Court ruling. Brett Kavanaugh won't easily forget the mud the left dragged him and his family through.

Really he sides with them often enough it seems he’s already forgotten and loves them.

Also what makes you think this case is worthy? If they limit me to 10 rounds and limit my cosmetic features on guns why can’t they limit me making guns? California literally has an approved gun list. California literally tells you every gun you’re allowed to own. Just saying.

 

[STS556]

I seem to be missing something. Where does it say it will be illegal to buy parts or assemble a serialized gun? This law seems like its just for unfinished receivers with no serial numbers.

 

[Cooolone]

Unenforceable... For the most part...

Here's what tickles my ass:

***Section 6 adds a new subdivision 8 to section 265.10 of the penal law to
provide that any person other than a licensed gunsmith who assembles,
manufactures, fabricates, builds or fits together the component parts of
a firearm, rifle, shotgun is guilty of a Class C felony.***

As noted, so if I change my grips, or sights... I'm now a Felon?

Also, how does the State get to invalidate Federal Law? The manufacture and assembly of firearms for private use, never intending to/for sale, is not required to do anything! So what's this? Complete registration and data assembly by the State of Firearms within the State. Lol...

Guess they learned nothing from the NYSafe Act? Non-compliance renders their little bullshit laws moot!

So go ahead, write all the stupid fucking laws ya want to make you feel good while you sleep in your gated 24/7 secured homestead!

Us regular folks will just keep on living and not worrying about the big bad wolf that never comes!

FUAC! FUNY!

 

[Saltwater60]

I seem to be missing something. Where does it say it will be illegal to buy parts or assemble a serialized gun? This law seems like its just for unfinished receivers with no serial numbers.

Did you read it? You need to be a licensed gunsmith to assemble any part on a firearm now.
Cooolone details the section perfectly above. Changing grips, sights, or adding a scope is a class D felony.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

Fuck that noise. I'll mount a scope if I want. Install a new trigger if I want. Change the stock if I want.

I'm a 60 year old retiree, and an honorably discharged veteran. If it's my fate to be a political prisoner for the rest of my natural life because of insane and ridiculous laws like this, so be it.

Mr. SGA, you have been accused of mounting your own scope. How do you plead?

I plead insanity your honor

Insanity?

Yeh, I'm just crazy about that rifle.

 

[Cavalry]

Does this have a companion bill? Until that happens I'm not going to get all excited over some drivel still in committee.

 

[gunpoliticsny]

Yes, both bills have companions.