"Ghost guns" A-9903A amended ( merged with senate ghost gun thread)

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Did this bill pass, what is current state? Grandfathering, etc. of those who have one? Not that anybody here does.
 
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...which come in parts and are virtually undetectable....

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Yup. them undetectable ghosts are a problem. FUCS
 
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"and includes the offense of unlawful dissemination of instructions for the assembly of a weapon in the definition of violent or serious crime. "

Not worried, then. This clearly falls under the 1st amendment.

As for the rest they may pass it of course. This is NY. And like safe they may use it to just scare people into basically getting away from guns in general without really pursuing some parts of it legally because they know that they won't stand up in court. The whole section about constructing a firearm is unenforceable because you construct one every time you take it apart to clean.
 
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Blimey said:
Did this bill pass, what is current state? Grandfathering, etc. of those who have one? Not that anybody here does.
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So, the original bill I linked here that was in line with Cuomo's new year pronouncements is stuck in committee. That bill would have basically banned home gunsmithing entirely and required registration of any unserialized homemade guns and made 80% lowers illegal without grandfathering. It looks like it might have lost support but my only basis for saying this is that the governor is now talking about his budget bill and sticking his agenda in the budget in classic New York fashion.

Cuomo's proposed budget has similar bad provisions but, while still awful, at a glance it is in some ways much better and in others much worse. You can see it here: https://www.budget.ny.gov/pubs/archive/fy21/exec/artvii/ppgg-bill.pdf

I have to emphasize this is not a bill, this is Cuomo's proposed budget. It's up to the assembly and senate to actually introduce this in some form as a bill and I haven't figured out if they've done that yet.

The relevant bit is part K. Basically it prohibits prohibited persons from possessing not just firearms (which they are already) from possessing unfinished frames/receivers (which is vaguely defined and intended to cover 80%'s and such), and "major components" of a firearm, shotgun, or rifle. Now, that in itself would only affect prohibited persons and not seem like such a big deal, but the terrible part is that it requires commercial transfers to be done by licensed FFL's with background checks. So have fun dealing in your barrels, stocks, and triggers, fudds! All online gun "major" part sales, banned. Also you must serialize your unfinished frames or receivers within 30 days (otherwise, D felony) with a state-registered and assigned number.

So it seems the net effect would be similar. Unlike the other bill in principle you could go to a brick and mortar store to transfer your gun parts and still legally work on guns at home, but it would become impractical or cost ineffective and effectively block access to regular old gun parts, not just receivers, as well as ban possession of, unserialized 80%s. Finished firearms might be grandfathered (but not transferable without serialization, which is pretty much how it is now), and there might be some loopholes in there that I won't get into, since this may not be the final form.
 
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subsonic said:
Also you must serialize your unfinished frames or receivers within 30 days (otherwise, D felony) with a state-registered and assigned number.
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So I'm sure the state will have a website and database all setup immediately to support this, right?
 
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There's no "possible" about it.

Every annual budget is a "big ugly" because of all the extra shit they put in it that has nothing to do with the budget. It's the way business is done in New York.
 
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So there's a "good news" update on this. (Good news by New York standards.)

This didn't make it into the budget, and the NY legislative session is now over. They slipped in a couple of gun-related measures relating to domestic violence that are unrelated to these measures and nothing to do with so-called ghost guns or gunsmithing. It was a lot of legislation so I want to double-check myself, but I assume if they had passed any of this they would be crowing about it. The governor also just said at the today's COVID-19 briefing that the legislative session is effectively over and when asked what of his agenda did not make it in he didn't mention guns (his first item was legalizing pot).

So there you have it. This is off for at least another year.

On the other hand, we still have the SAFE Act, red flag and gun storage laws, and the governor closed almost all FFLs in the state by decree, along with almost everything else, and he's sending the national guard to our upstate hospitals to seize ventilators for NYC. So there's that.
 
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Just because it was not part of the budget agreement does not mean the legislature won't take it up. It is being heavily lobbied by Everytown. It depends when the legislature goes home, if they end early or go al the way until June.
 
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Just because it was not part of the budget agreement does not mean the legislature won't take it up. It is being heavily lobbied by Everytown. It depends when the legislature goes home, if they end early or go al the way until June.
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I'm talking about the enacted budget (which passed), not the budget agreement. The legislature has already gone home. It's not impossible that it could still pass, but if the governor wanted this done he'd mention it, and it won't happen without him. If you have a friendly senator and assemblyperson like I do then write to them to help make sure it doesn't happen, otherwise I think the best thing we can do about this for now is shut up and let them forget about it. The COVID-19 mania is going to be taking over for a long time, and as long as the D's control all our state government the best we can hope when they come back to fussing about guns again this won't be as important.

And in the meantime use the shutdown to build build build! Hope you stocked up on lowers and 80's.
 
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No they won’t. I get ID’d all the time in neighboring states and subsequently denied sales for even small amounts of ammo.
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You have to go a little deeper into the neighboring state. I haven’t had such issues. Next time you drive up to Sullivan, bend a left into Matamoras/ Milford on I84 W and you can buy all the ammo you need.
 
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If this passed, I suspect it would just push more people into the IDGAF what NY says camp.

There are *a lot* of people who's opinion on the restrictions in SAFE are "just don't get caught".

Their plan to enforce this is about as effective as their plan to get guns out of the hands of actual criminals.
 
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Budget bills cannot contain anything other than appropriations. There is no gun control in them. That is in a separate bill they passed A-9505B/S-7505B.

What is odd about this bill is 1.) it is listed as a budget bill when it should not be and 2.) it goes against the rule about putting unrelated items into one bill. I don't recall the legislature doing this before.
 
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gunpoliticsny said:
Budget bills cannot contain anything other than appropriations. There is no gun control in them. That is in a separate bill they passed A-9505B/S-7505B.

What is odd about this bill is 1.) it is listed as a budget bill when it should not be and 2.) it goes against the rule about putting unrelated items into one bill. I don't recall the legislature doing this before.
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They're just stretching their legs and seeing how it feels having the whole state under one thumb. Wait till they get used to it. They have already shown the state and federal constitutions mean nothing to them, whats a little unraveling of precedent
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No, it has to be something else. All bills must originate in the legislature except for the budget bills which come from the Governor. The legislature does not have the authority to create or amend budget bills. They can only vote up/down on them. Everything else the media refers to as being "in the budget" are always separate bills introduced by legislators and voted on individually.
 
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