"Ghost guns" A-9903A amended ( merged with senate ghost gun thread)
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Another shitbag politician.
Bozo
.45 acp
Now there's some first-class journalism.
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
surprise surprise surprise 
carpediem
.338 Win Mag
Who wrote that article, a fourth grade student writing for the school newspaper? Not even good enough for an animal cage......
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
3d printer .. 0% .. 15 hours later .. never mind .. then there is the hardware store ..
oh and the FUAC illegals just steal real guns .. FKoff u dork ..
oh and the FUAC illegals just steal real guns .. FKoff u dork ..
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
and a pay raise .. ( tax payer funded ) ..
subsonic
.44 mag
Introduced January 2, this bill is the real deal. The governor is behind it now and unlike previous bills it would make owning "unfinished frames" or unserialized firearms (whether it's an AR-15 or a hardware store slamfire shotgun) a violent felony unless you had then serialized by a gunsmith and REGISTERED before it is effective. Seems likely to pass with the Governor's blessing and the current legislative environment.
This is bad.
www.governor.ny.gov
www.nysenate.gov
This is bad.
Governor Cuomo Unveils 18th Proposal of 2020 State of the State: Banning Untraceable "Ghost Guns" by Requiring Firearm Parts be Treated as Guns and Have a Serial Number
Governor Cuomo announced the 18th proposal of his 2020 State of the State agenda — banning untraceable "ghost guns" by requiring firearm parts be sold only to authorized buyers, requiring the same eligibility requirements as a completed firearm and that all major parts receive a serial number.
NY State Senate Bill 2019-S2143A
Relates to the manufacture, assembly, possession, license and disposal of ghost guns, the establishment of the offense of unlawful dissemination of instructions for the assembly of a weapon and the sentencing for certain offenses regarding ghost guns; relates to the suspension and revocation of...
subsonic
.44 mag
The bill has this beaut in it:
§ 5. Section 265.10 of the penal law is amended by adding a new subdivision 8 to read as follows:
8. ANY PERSON OTHER THAN A GUNSMITH DULY LICENSED PURSUANT TO SECTION
400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER WHO ASSEMBLES, MANUFACTURES OR CAUSES TO BE
ASSEMBLED OR MANUFACTURED, A FIREARM, RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR UNFINISHED
FIREARM FRAME OR RECEIVER IS GUILTY OF A CLASS C FELONY.
This is irrespective of whether the gun is serialized or not, whether it's a serialized firearm frame purchased with a background check, or an unfinished frame that is serialized and "registered" under this law and then finished. "Assembling" a gun from a serialized frame or receiver for your own use would require a gunsmith license.
§ 5. Section 265.10 of the penal law is amended by adding a new subdivision 8 to read as follows:
8. ANY PERSON OTHER THAN A GUNSMITH DULY LICENSED PURSUANT TO SECTION
400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER WHO ASSEMBLES, MANUFACTURES OR CAUSES TO BE
ASSEMBLED OR MANUFACTURED, A FIREARM, RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR UNFINISHED
FIREARM FRAME OR RECEIVER IS GUILTY OF A CLASS C FELONY.
This is irrespective of whether the gun is serialized or not, whether it's a serialized firearm frame purchased with a background check, or an unfinished frame that is serialized and "registered" under this law and then finished. "Assembling" a gun from a serialized frame or receiver for your own use would require a gunsmith license.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
uuum its a "ghost gun" how is Emperor numb-nuts going to know where it is or who has one?
does this mean I can't work on my own guns. Like, trigger jobs, changing scopes, replacing stocks, replacing iron sights ~~~ cleaning them?
WTF, this state sucks
does this mean I can't work on my own guns. Like, trigger jobs, changing scopes, replacing stocks, replacing iron sights ~~~ cleaning them?
WTF, this state sucks
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
So...we can't even clean our own guns? I mean, we have to disassemble and reassemble things to clean them. And it would be a class c felony to posses a stripped lower that we got legally through an ffl? This is beyond retarded.
So what is the cut off? Are lowers that are built but lack an upper illegal?
So what is the cut off? Are lowers that are built but lack an upper illegal?
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FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
Everybody better get their pieces and parts now. Before long even shops in neighboring states will get skittish about selling to NY residents. They'll be watching for NY plates.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Those serial numbers and guns were already made right?
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
I got relatives in various states, I can get parts with noooo problem
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Uber.
subsonic
.44 mag
Who the hell knows.
Appears it would be legal to possess but doing anything with it without a gunsmith license would clearly be a felony under this law.
I think you could take it out of state, build it, and bring it back in though. You couldn't do that with anything unserialized. I think you might be able to bring an 80% that was serialized, finished and built out of state in without registering it under this bill but I'm not positive.
Yessir.
If they're serialized it looks like they would still be legal but doing anything with them without a gunsmith license might be a felony. They obviously haven't though it through. Who knows.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Er... um... ah....
Just so we're all clear, any projects I may have started posting pictures of..... um, just kidding. It wasn't me. It was that creepy guy down the street.
Just so we're all clear, any projects I may have started posting pictures of..... um, just kidding. It wasn't me. It was that creepy guy down the street.
carpediem
.338 Win Mag
Anything and everything proposed by Monkeyface and his illegitimate rabble of criminals and ne'er-do-wells is crafted to criminalize all and any freedoms they deem to be of a conservative leaning. Want to commit heinous acts against children? You're ROR'd and on your way. Want to enjoy firing an AR-15 with a 30 round mag, 12-15 years behind bars most likely.......
subsonic
.44 mag
I think patriotic store owners will happily sell parts including uppers, components, and 80%'s to all comers in a brick and mortar store. Just like they sell standard capacity magazines now, although they can't ship them here. New York can go fuck itself as far as imposing its law on other states, and the text of this bill at least doesn't seem to say anything about buying shit out of state and bringing it back, except for those evil unserialized lowers.
Problem: Stripped lowers transfer like pistols. You CANNOT buy them out of state without having them shipped to a NY FFL. Uber won't help. You need that valid out of state ID. So we may be fucked in that department. Even if the bill doesn't literally ban transferring stripped lowers to non-licensed gunsmiths, it bans building them out here, and probably some FFLs may stop transferring them and some manufacturers and FFLs will stop shipping them here (although they would probably rely on the transferring FFL to be compliant). But under this bill it would seem that it would be legal to have them transferred to you to take out of state to build. And bring back.
So definitely, the time to buy stripped lowers is YESTERDAY, and the second-best time is NOW.
ProgSpear
.338 Win Mag
You silly Normies still actually think those old pieces of parchment apply to our glorious utopian paradise? Jeez, get with the program, or we may need to accelerate the construction of those re-education camps. Oh, wait! If we just clear all our voters out of all the corrections facilities, we’ll have plenty of room! What a win-win situation!
No they won’t. I get ID’d all the time in neighboring states and subsequently denied sales for even small amounts of ammo.
subsonic
.44 mag
I was gonna say, seriously, where? This hasn't happened to me.
Then again you live in NYC. Were you trying to buy in New Jersey? I can definitely see that happening, they're just about as bad as NYC, and NYC actually restricts ammunition to licensees. We don't have that upstate.
I don't get carded buying ammo in PA. In fact I don't get carded buying ammo in New York outside of places like Dicks or Walmart that I actively avoid now.
Some places in NY ask if it's for a rifle when I buy pistol caliber. I say it's for a rifle and pay and go my merry way.
Fuck ‘em.
But I will order the last pieces for my AR-10 tomorrow just in case lol.
But I will order the last pieces for my AR-10 tomorrow just in case lol.
PA. Namely Sarco or Heritage Guild. I’ve gotten lucky at random places in PA though far from borders.
subsonic
.44 mag
NYC is an AIDS that infects anywhere within commuting distance.
I tend to agree that this law applies to stripped serialized builds as well. Looks like they caught on that we can just build whatever we want under the radar even after the Safe Act. It definitely doesn’t apply to cleaning or maintenance on guns you already own though.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Do you think maintenance covers upgrades and changes? Cuomo wants all part to be sold though ffls and I think he even wants them to be serialized..How long before we are getting ID'd for buying cleaning supplies? Why not have it so that every cleaning patch has to have a serial number printed on it? These people are that fucking retarded.
Target
6.5 Creedmoor
S2143A talks about serialized and unfinished receivers. Since a stripped lower is serialized, how are they affected?
You can't finish an 80% lower with the intention to sell it now.
The bill talks of selling 5 in a year.
Can an FFL 01 serialize an item?
Would that not fall under manufacture and require a FFL 07?
What is considered a " major component" ? Barrels, stocks, parts kits, stripped uppers?
Where does a slug barrel for an 870 from Ebay fall in their grand scheme?
You can't finish an 80% lower with the intention to sell it now.
The bill talks of selling 5 in a year.
Can an FFL 01 serialize an item?
Would that not fall under manufacture and require a FFL 07?
What is considered a " major component" ? Barrels, stocks, parts kits, stripped uppers?
Where does a slug barrel for an 870 from Ebay fall in their grand scheme?
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