GOA files lawsuits against NYS

[US RIFLE M1A]

Reconstruction-era and later licensing requirements like New York City’s
that involved an individualized assessment of dangerousness – is “relevantly similar” to the good
moral character assessment under the CCIA, and therefore satisfies the Bruen standard.

I cannot believe they used the racist roots of gun control (Reconstruction Era and Sullivan) to justify modern gun control.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

I would really like to see a plaintiff sue NYS over the unequal permit systems across the state. I’m no lawyer but this seems like a no brainer to sue on the basis of denial of equal rights or something similar. Our permits upstate never expire but NYC / Nassau / Suffolk county permits do??? NYC permit holders can carry across the entire state, but those of us with upstate permits cannot?

 

[maverick52]

Watching and waiting.

 

[Steal2B]

 

[spat]

Classic flic

The 80s had the best movies.



"Do you realize what the street value of this mountain is ?"

"He learned English from listening to Howard Cosell"

 

[maverick52]

I would really like to see a plaintiff sue NYS over the unequal permit systems across the state. I’m no lawyer but this seems like a no brainer to sue on the basis of denial of equal rights or something similar. Our permits upstate never expire but NYC / Nassau / Suffolk county permits do??? NYC permit holders can carry across the entire state, but those of us with upstate permits cannot?

That was never written in the law. Here we go with more legal tricks

 

[camper4lyfe]

Important takeaway: They just relieved all lifetime (non-expiring) license holders of the training, social media and interview requirements. That is a win already for most upstate licensees. Now it is just down to the sensitive locations.

Because Plaintiff Antonyuk’s License Does Not Expire, He Will Never Be
Subject To The Interview, Social Media Disclosure, or Training
Requirements He Is Challenging

My opinion? They damn well intended to have EVERYONE subject to the above, and this is a form of backpedaling.

There's no such thing as a lifetime license in NY anymore, and the training and social media is still in effect for the first renewal after the law takes effect.

 

[camper4lyfe]

I would really like to see a plaintiff sue NYS over the unequal permit systems across the state. I’m no lawyer but this seems like a no brainer to sue on the basis of denial of equal rights or something similar. Our permits upstate never expire but NYC / Nassau / Suffolk county permits do??? NYC permit holders can carry across the entire state, but those of us with upstate permits cannot?

That's not true, though. SAFE made all permits a 5 year permit and removed the no expiration portion.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

That's not true, though. SAFE made all permits a 5 year permit and removed the no expiration portion.

So how do we handle things going forward, as NYS in their reply to this lawsuit has claimed that our permits upstate NEVER expire, and that existing CCW holders are not subject to the 18 hours training and live fire, the social media checks, etc.?

 

[camper4lyfe]

So how do we handle things going forward, as NYS in their reply to this lawsuit has claimed that our permits upstate NEVER expire, and that existing CCW holders are not subject to the 18 hours training and live fire, the social media checks, etc.?

Odd, isn't it? It sounds like the state doesn't even know its own laws.

 

[pjzwtl]

Odd, isn't it? It sounds like the state doesn't even know its own laws.

Odd isn’t the word I would use but ..yea. To be honest her response is begging for a legal bitch slap. The lack of intellect behind the states response is telling.

 

[camper4lyfe]

Odd isn’t the word I would use but ..yea. To be honest her response is begging for a legal bitch slap. The lack of intellect behind the states response is telling.

Most definitely. The "odd" came with a heavy dose of sarcasm.

 

[nortatoga]

As a Schenectady County permit holder, Plaintiff Antonyuk will never have to renew his license, so he will never be subject to the interview, reference, social media disclosure, or training requirements. Even if he were, he has not applied for a license under the CCIA yet, which is a prerequisite to standing, and he has not shown any injury-in-fact, which requires both concrete allegations of an intent to violate the law and a credible threat of prosecution.

Note the word renew!!


** NB Effective September 4, 2022

(d) Licenses issued under paragraph (f) of subdivision two of this
section shall be recertified or renewed in the same form and manner as
otherwise required by this subdivision, provided however, that such
licenses shall be recertified or renewed every three years following the
issuance of such license. For licenses issued prior to the effective
date of this paragraph that were issued more than three years prior to
such date, or will expire in less than one year from such date shall be
recertified or renewed within one year of such date.

Note the words recertified/recertification!!

(ii) persons who were licensed to
possess a pistol or revolver prior to the effective date of this
paragraph are not required to have completed a firearms safety course
and test, provided, however, persons with a license issued under
paragraph (f) of subdivision two of this section prior to the effective
date of the laws of two thousand twenty-two which amended this paragraph
shall be required to complete the training required by subdivision
nineteen of this section prior to the recertification of such license;

 

[Edwardteach72]

So how do we handle things going forward, as NYS in their reply to this lawsuit has claimed that our permits upstate NEVER expire, and that existing CCW holders are not subject to the 18 hours training and live fire, the social media checks, etc.?

Well first. We wait to see if the judge grants GOA the injunction

 

[gunpoliticsny]

Tish James hasn't sent out a self-aggrandizing presser defending Hochul's law from GOA's lawsuit.

This is not an oversight.

 

[whatupbo]

Knowing this piece of shit state, my money is on no injunction….. hope I’m wrong.

 

[DoOver]

...and in completely unrelated Knews:










Gun Owners of America

@GunOwners


In GOA and
@gunfoundation
's case in Virginia fighting universal background checks, the Virginia Attorney General claims the government can "requir[e] the registration of all guns," and then cites historical context from 1631—160 years before the United States even existed.




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[Acer-m14]

...and in completely unrelated Knews:





Gun Owners of America
@GunOwners


In GOA and
@gunfoundation
's case in Virginia fighting universal background checks, the Virginia Attorney General claims the government can "requir[e] the registration of all guns," and then cites historical context from 1631—160 years before the United States even existed.


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was not a State back then .. territories are not included

Virginia Attorney General .. blowing smoke wasting $$$ they are going to loose

PS Virginia Attorney General may wanna try using wounded knee also for his gun control .. only certain types of people can have guns ..

that was around 1890 i think

 

[ManualF150]

The Constitution didn't exist at that time. They can't use that as legitimate evidence according to Bruen.

 

[Jchrisls]

was not a State back then .. territories are not included

Virginia Attorney General .. blowing smoke wasting $$$ they are going to loose

PS Virginia Attorney General may wanna try using wounded knee also for his gun control .. only certain types of people can have guns ..

that was around 1890 i think

No offense but even that wouldn't be a legitimate argument as it's post 1868

 

[Acer-m14]

No offense but even that wouldn't be a legitimate argument as it's post 1868

that is why i said it to the AG

 

[Saltwater60]

All I see is the British did this so we can as well. Isn’t there a reason we are independent from the British now?

 

[ManualF150]

All I see is the British did this so we can as well. Isn’t there a reason we are independent from the British now?

Where is Paul Revere when you need him yelling: "The British are coming!"...

 

[DoOver]

 

[Saltwater60]

Where is Paul Revere when you need him yelling: "The British are coming!"...

We’re right here and we’ve been warning of all this stuff for years now.

 

[Saltwater60]

Where is Paul Revere when you need him yelling: "The British are coming!"...

We’re right here and we’ve been warning of all this stuff for years now.

 

[livingston]

SHOCKING ADMISSION: NY 2A Defendant Admits to US Federal Appeals Court that New Gun Law Violates 2A​

U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit will be hearing oral argument in 5 pending Second Amendment cases on March 20, 2023. As part of these cases, 2A challenges have been brought against New York State’s ban on firearms in places of worship such as churches and synagogues. The District Attorney for the County of Niagara was sued to enjoin his office from enforcing the law banning guns in places of worship and today he filed a legal brief in the Court of Appeals conceding that the NY law was unconstitutional under the Second Amendment and NYSRPA v. Bruen. Mark Smith breaks it down.

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/6619/attachments/original/1677536268/Hardaway_v_Nigrelli_Brief_for_Defendant-Appellee_Seaman.pdf?1677536268

 

[Acer-m14]

there getting hit from all sides now .. EPA got smacked .. now the DOE ..

"The U.S. Supreme Court heard oral arguments for 3 hours in a major case about whether the President and his Department of Education have the legal authority to act unilaterally to cancel student loan debt---all without receiving additional statutory consent from Congress. The Supreme Court's question strongly suggest that they view major questions such as student loan forgiveness as requiring Congress to act. Mark Smith breaks this down and what the Court's questions indicate will be the future of regulatory actions by the ATF. "

 

[John Stark]

Where is Paul Revere when you need him yelling: "The British are coming!"...

How many freaking times do I have to say it?

 

[Saltwater60]

SHOCKING ADMISSION: NY 2A Defendant Admits to US Federal Appeals Court that New Gun Law Violates 2A​

U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit will be hearing oral argument in 5 pending Second Amendment cases on March 20, 2023. As part of these cases, 2A challenges have been brought against New York State’s ban on firearms in places of worship such as churches and synagogues. The District Attorney for the County of Niagara was sued to enjoin his office from enforcing the law banning guns in places of worship and today he filed a legal brief in the Court of Appeals conceding that the NY law was unconstitutional under the Second Amendment and NYSRPA v. Bruen. Mark Smith breaks it down.

https://assets.nationbuilder.com/firearmspolicycoalition/pages/6619/attachments/original/1677536268/Hardaway_v_Nigrelli_Brief_for_Defendant-Appellee_Seaman.pdf?1677536268

This largely means nothing. This is covered under other suits and other defendants. I’m glad he had the balls to say it though.