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There is a good reason for bribing an AR because of the modular nature. With a new upper one can get into some
pretty respectable and specialized calibers away from the smaller and underpowered calibers including the
anemic 300 Barak Obama. I mean, there are many types of hunting. I am talking true power.
I Believe the 30 RAR would be perfect in 7mm where 120-130gr would deliver a better performance from the same case.
Still there are some pretty nice bullets one can use that are very good for deer.
The 30 RAR was a great initiative but all with the wrong marketing and the usual unwillingness to follow through
from Remington starting with the weird bolt face selection and not patenting a new .473 bolt and extension for
the standard AR type of receiver. As a result ARP offered a better alternative who are the original inventors of
the 308 type bolt for the AR15. ..I mean the one that works to full pressure w/o breaking and the one design
that others stole from them.
From a 16" barrel I get more punch out of the 35 gunner than a 180gr 308 Winchester of the same barrel size.
Like I said before, 30, 338 and 8mm bores do not make much sense form the AR15.
Look at the bullets and look at all the casing options and it is hard to come up with any recipes that
will give more performance that other simple choices like the amazing 6.8 spcii chamber.
The 30 RAR gives more power but not it is very rare and restricted and cheaper wildcats like the gunner produce more output. 458 socom might be a good one for those who already use other 45 calibers.
Then when you get to the 35 and 375 bores a whole new array of possibilities start to show up.
These are the last two bores where one can find heavy grain and still provide some decent ballistics.
Once you get into the 416, 458 and 50 bores then the ballistic performance goes down so the
35 and 375 deliver more with less grain.
There are very nice bullets in the 375, 416 and 50 bores but those are reserved for very large cartridges
including magnums so that is why I think the 35 is perfect because it gives a performance leap w/o
needing bullets that are impossibly long or heavy. And on top you have the option to use both 358 rifle
bullets including some heavy game ones and also 357 and even 9mm bullets for medium or small game
or inexpensive practice.
Think of it this way. The next logical step in the 35 bore would be something like a 357 magnum pumped
that is a good deer cartridge from a lever action at short range. The next would be the 357 maximum and
the next the 35 Remington. The 35 gunner at 58k psi puts more output than the 35 Remington and this
way it puts the caliber in the heavy and even dangerous game category. It has to do with the capability
to be able to send 180 to 220 gr bullets at very decent speeds with huge wounding and penetration.
The 308 Winchester can also tackle that category but barely and from a longer 20" bolt action minimum
I would say. The 358 Winchester would be better for that kind of extra assurance. A bit less range but,
like the gunner for the average distance a lot more momentum and mass on that animal.
It is not just the wounding potential but the capability to derail the game and put it into a comma
before it bleeds out very quickly. This is what big holes and momentum brings to the table.
A lot of people think the 30-30 is an obsolete and under powered round but even when moving at AK
type of speeds one cannot deny the power of a 170-180gr flat metplat soft point. The proof is that
generations of Americans have taken deer this way with authority even with large deer and hard
angles and normally the ranges in the northern woods are not that long.
This subject was discussed 1M times before the exodus from NYF. We used to have a few members
over there than spent more time outdoors hunting than indoors. Perhaps someone remembers.
