Kzinti
22lr
Heard something today about NYS residents have to keep their guns in a fireproof/secure safe ? Is this true ?
Gun Safe
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ManualF150
.308 Win
When any of my guns are not in use, they are in a vault and the premises is under CCTV camera surveillance and monitored by 2x security companies.
This includes powder burning pistols/rifles and air pistols and air rifles.
This includes powder burning pistols/rifles and air pistols and air rifles.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
There were some "safe storage " provisions in the latest package of useless laws that NY passed. My apologies for not knowing the specifics, but I have no intention of altering anything about my daily routine based on any of these new laws, so I've failed to educate myself fully on the non sense.
ManualF150
.308 Win
I should make it known, the only reason I lock'em up is not because of safety, but because they are worth money. FWIW, I don't leave gold bars sitting around my house out in the open...
It's none of anybody's business how you store your valuables or this case guns in your own damn house.
It's none of anybody's business how you store your valuables or this case guns in your own damn house.
Kzinti
22lr
Thank you for your answers
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
My understanding from a local FFL:
When off person & transported / stored in vehicle:
Lockable
Fireproof
Permanently affixed to vehicle (bolts or cable)
Non visible
Applies to ALL firearms including long guns and shotguns.
FUCW
When off person & transported / stored in vehicle:
Lockable
Fireproof
Permanently affixed to vehicle (bolts or cable)
Non visible
Applies to ALL firearms including long guns and shotguns.
FUCW
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
If it’s at home you need a locking cable or safe that is tamper proof, impact resistant, fire resistant and locking if and only if children under 18 or a prohibited person is in the house or has access to the home. I have kids so I abide by it anyway. Used to be under 16.
Carlos is correct on the car and transporting gun but I’m not sure if that included fireproof in cars or not. I’d have to check on that again.out of sight and locking is correct. Good luck locking and keeping your long gun out of sight unless you put a safe in your covered truck bed.
Carlos is correct on the car and transporting gun but I’m not sure if that included fireproof in cars or not. I’d have to check on that again.out of sight and locking is correct. Good luck locking and keeping your long gun out of sight unless you put a safe in your covered truck bed.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Fireproof and fire resistant are two very different things IMO. Anything metal is fire resistant but fireproof means something very specific. This is all a joke. I get it lock your gun in your car, I have a cable tied lockbox in my truck. How do you do this with a long gun?
Thanks for posting and clarifying and I see they just provide all these specifics for safe depository and don’t single out cars and homes.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Someone from the Commissioner's office of Bills and Legislation early in this process indicated verbiage from CA laws were likely just cut and pasted. CA DoJ apparently has more detailed requirements that were not identified in NY but most commercially available gun vaults / cabinets / safes meet the CA DoJ requirements. Sounds like lazy and sleezy SoB NY politicians, staff, and lobbyists to me.
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My home...?
Well didn't Heller answer that (rendering and requiring firearm unusable while in the home)!?
You want to put valuables in a safe, great!
The Gov't intruding into my home and requiring by law that I do so... Well, you know what you can do! Go scratch your balls!!!
I have a stick that gets me to my knife, that gets me to my bat, that gets me to my handgun, that gets me to my rifle... In every room there's methodology, and it's none of the government's business! Unenforceable bullshit as always! Might as well tell you what books you must have on the shelf and only what foods are permissable in your fridge! Utter ridiculousness...
Anyways...
Well didn't Heller answer that (rendering and requiring firearm unusable while in the home)!?
You want to put valuables in a safe, great!
The Gov't intruding into my home and requiring by law that I do so... Well, you know what you can do! Go scratch your balls!!!
I have a stick that gets me to my knife, that gets me to my bat, that gets me to my handgun, that gets me to my rifle... In every room there's methodology, and it's none of the government's business! Unenforceable bullshit as always! Might as well tell you what books you must have on the shelf and only what foods are permissable in your fridge! Utter ridiculousness...
Anyways...
From the NYSP FAQ:
Q29) How does the new law impact transporting guns in a vehicle?
A) Effective September 1, 2022, if you leave your gun unattended in a vehicle, it must be unloaded and locked in a fire, impact, and tamper resistant storage depository that is hidden from view. Glove compartments and glove boxes are not appropriate safe storage depositories. A plastic or aluminum, lockable, hard-sided, gun case or safe will suffice for this purpose.
If an adult remains with the vehicle to ensure security, a case or safe is not required. To prevent theft and ensure safety, it is always recommended that firearms be secured during transport. Local rules for traveling with firearms also apply and may be more restrictive. For example, New York City requires that all guns be unloaded, in a case, and out of sight, even when you are with the vehicle (Penal Law § 265.45).
Q30) How am I required to store my guns in my home?
A) If anyone younger than 18 years old or anyone who is prohibited from possessing a gun resides in the home, all firearms, rifles, and shotguns not in your immediate control must either be: • secured with a gun locking device (trigger lock or cable lock) that makes them incapable of being accessed or fired by the prohibited individual, or • locked securely in a safe or secure container that is fire, impact, and tamper resistant and which is locked using a key, keypad, or combination.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
" if you leave your gun unattended in a vehicle, it must be unloaded and locked in a fire, impact, and tamper resistant storage depository that is hidden from view"
how do you hide your car or truck ??
isn't a car or truck a locked fire, impact and tamper resistant storage depository ?
LOL
I keep some hanging in holsters in a closet, some hanging by sling on doors, FUCK YOU HOCHUL YOU IDIOT BITCH CUNT!!!
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Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
The part I
I can imagine a lot of things going sideways doing that. Leaving your weapon accessible to others in your absence is just poor practice. AND THEY'RE TELLING US TO DO IT!
Are we supposed to make the "adult ensuring security" pinky swear not to touch the gun? NYSP doesn't specify that person needs to be a permit holder - just an adult; they also don't specify the gun being unloaded. But now if the adult is "ensuring security' for the vehicle (and your gun) does that create a compulsory condition encouraging the 'adult' to use the most effective tool available to do that? I mean, if simply having someone in the vehicle was enough to provide adequate security, we wouldn't have carjackings!
I may be nitpicking a bit, but you just know some bad things are going to happen because of this law. Just the increased administrative weapon handling alone creates more risk.
NYSP really shouldn't be interpreting this law. I hope an injunction comes down making it a moot point.
My glove box, and my center console, are both plastic, hard-sided, and lockable. So the State can just fuck right the hell off.
*then again, I don't leave firearms unattended in my vehicle. Nor anything else of value.
Vapor
.308 Win
I don't agree with any of this horse shit, but something like this should suffice.
Bustedknees
.308 Win
Driving with my rifle and muzzle loader on the front seat is still good to go. Hunting season soon!
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
I'll double check with Lawguns, but I believe that was their take on it as well from NYS police. Anything metal was considered "fire resistant," but I will confirm since I don't feel confident in my memory here.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
I own one like of these and it would work great Fire/Water Chest | CHW20201 | SentrySafe
I however would find a way to chain it
My brother inlaw sold high end jewelry . Carried 1 million + at times. Only way it was insured is secured in the trunk by a safe, log chain and lock ... When it left the car .. sorry no insurance ...
Read the reviews and not great on this model. posted ...I do know they laid many people off at some point. Could be workers posting bad reviews.
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libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
Clarified with NYS police. This only applies to leaving firearms unattended in your vehicle. If you're in the vehicle with the firearms, or unloading the vehicle, it doesn't count as unattended and the law does not apply to that situation.
However even they are baffled as to how any officer would even check the fire rating of a transport case, so that is basically, as they admitted, nearly unenforceable.
However even they are baffled as to how any officer would even check the fire rating of a transport case, so that is basically, as they admitted, nearly unenforceable.
Vapor
.308 Win
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
I have never left a gun unattended in a car. .. With all the restricted places many folks will have to. The thugs will know this also... We will see a lot more car break ins .. Day and night
Vapor
.308 Win
Some crack head when I lived in Campville tried to pry open the tailgate of my truck...when all it had was a SOFT tonneau cover on it.
They don't even care what is in your car or truck. It could be change and an umbrella.
I don't mind at all going back to small town like I did. Even our dog is happier.
My point is, don't let any of this shit dicate if you are a victim or how you live your life.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
been driving all year like that .. no season for woodchuck
hunting tag laying on car seat
Kzinti
22lr
I'm wondering with the confusion over how these laws will be implemented, will every business have to post a sign saying guns welcome or no guns allowed ?
There is no need to post "no guns allowed" signs, as New York made that the default.
They will have to post a sign stating conceal carry is allowed or the default position now is that it is not allowed. No sign is needed to prevent CC.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
seeing how you’re from Rochester I doubt you will see many signs. Maybe some gun stores, hunting and fishing stores and a few restaurants if they don’t serve alcohol.
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