96coal449
.308 Win
If I claim I hate guns will they let me have all I want?
Here we go, do what you can, oppose NY S 9191
- Thread starter Edwardteach72
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Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
ok, the elephant in the room ~~~ how long will this "internet search" take? instantaneous? 24 hours? a week? a month?
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
My question too. How long do they have to complete this "search." I mean 3 years is a really long friggin' amount of search history for them to go through.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
I'm sure a gun owner would have something within the first few months to give them reason.
96coal449
.308 Win
Fill that history with porn. Keep em busy for hours.
96coal449
.308 Win
Just long enough to find "reason" for denial.
And long enough to take awayn those already owned.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Ok here it is, in all its beauty:
New York State Assembly | Bill Search and Legislative Information
In order to ascertain whether any social media
55 account or search engine history of an applicant presents any good cause
56 for the denial of a license, the investigating officer shall, after
S. 9191 3
1 obtaining the applicant's consent pursuant to subdivision three of this
2 section, and obtaining any log-in name, password or other means for
3 accessing a personal account, service, or electronic communications
4 device necessary to review such applicant's social media accounts and
5 search engine history, review an applicant's social media accounts for
6 the previous three years and search engine history for the previous year
7 and investigate an applicant's posts or searches related to (i) commonly
8 known profane slurs or biased language used to describe the race, color,
9 national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age,
10 disability or sexual orientation of a person; (ii) threatening the
11 health or safety of another person; (iii) an act of terrorism; or (iv)
12 any other issue deemed necessary by the investigating officer. For the
13 purposes of this subdivision, "social media accounts" shall only include
14 Facebook, Snapchat, Twitter and Instagram, and "search engine" shall
15 only include Google, Yahoo and Bing. Upon completion of the investi-
16 gation, the police authority shall report the results to the licensing
17 officer without unnecessary delay.
18 (b) All licensees shall be recertified to the division of state police
19 every five years thereafter. Any license issued before the effective
20 date of [the] chapter one of the laws of two thousand thirteen [which
21 added this paragraph] shall be recertified by the licensee on or before
22 January thirty-first, two thousand eighteen, and not less than one year
23 prior to such date, the state police shall send a notice to all license
24 holders who have not recertified by such time. Such recertification
25 shall be in a form as approved by the superintendent of state police,
26 which shall request the license holder's name, date of birth, gender,
27 race, residential address, social security number, consent to have his
28 or her social media accounts and search engine history reviewed and
29 investigated, firearms possessed by such license holder, email address
30 at the option of the license holder and an affirmation that such license
31 holder is not prohibited from possessing firearms. The form may be in an
32 electronic form if so designated by the superintendent of state police.
33 Failure to recertify shall act as a revocation of such license. If the
34 New York state police discover as a result of the recertification proc-
35 ess that a licensee failed to provide a change of address, the New York
36 state police shall not require the licensing officer to revoke such
37 license. In order to ascertain whether any social media account or
38 search engine history of a licensee presents any good cause for the
39 revocation of a license, the New York state police shall, after obtain-
40 ing the licensee's consent pursuant to this subdivision, and obtaining
41 any log-in name, password or other means for accessing a personal
42 account, service, or electronic communications device necessary to
43 review such licensee's social media accounts and search engine history,
44 review a licensee's social media accounts for the previous three years
45 and search engine history for the previous year and investigate posts or
46 searches related to (i) commonly known profane slurs or biased language
47 used to describe the race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender,
48 religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation of a
49 person; (ii) threatening the health or safety of another person; (iii)
50 an act of terrorism; or (iv) any other issue deemed necessary by the New
51 York state police. For the purposes of this subdivision, "social media
52 accounts" shall only include Facebook, Snapchat, Twitter and Instagram,
53 and "search engine" shall only include Google, Yahoo and Bing. Upon
54 completion of the investigation, the New York state police shall report
55 the results to the licensee without unnecessary delay.
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1 § 2. This act shall take effect on the ninetieth day after it shall
2 have become a law. Effective immediately the addition, amendment and/or
3 repeal of any rule or regulation necessary for the implementation of
4 this act on its effective date are authorized to be made and completed
5 on or before such effective date.
And Nobody in NYS will challenge the constitutionality of it, because they cant .
“In every state of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.” -Declaration of independence
Congress shall make no law … abridging … the right of the people … to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” ( but the Governor is allowed to do anything he wants)
— from the First Amendment
New York State Assembly | Bill Search and Legislative Information
In order to ascertain whether any social media
55 account or search engine history of an applicant presents any good cause
56 for the denial of a license, the investigating officer shall, after
S. 9191 3
1 obtaining the applicant's consent pursuant to subdivision three of this
2 section, and obtaining any log-in name, password or other means for
3 accessing a personal account, service, or electronic communications
4 device necessary to review such applicant's social media accounts and
5 search engine history, review an applicant's social media accounts for
6 the previous three years and search engine history for the previous year
7 and investigate an applicant's posts or searches related to (i) commonly
8 known profane slurs or biased language used to describe the race, color,
9 national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age,
10 disability or sexual orientation of a person; (ii) threatening the
11 health or safety of another person; (iii) an act of terrorism; or (iv)
12 any other issue deemed necessary by the investigating officer. For the
13 purposes of this subdivision, "social media accounts" shall only include
14 Facebook, Snapchat, Twitter and Instagram, and "search engine" shall
15 only include Google, Yahoo and Bing. Upon completion of the investi-
16 gation, the police authority shall report the results to the licensing
17 officer without unnecessary delay.
18 (b) All licensees shall be recertified to the division of state police
19 every five years thereafter. Any license issued before the effective
20 date of [the] chapter one of the laws of two thousand thirteen [which
21 added this paragraph] shall be recertified by the licensee on or before
22 January thirty-first, two thousand eighteen, and not less than one year
23 prior to such date, the state police shall send a notice to all license
24 holders who have not recertified by such time. Such recertification
25 shall be in a form as approved by the superintendent of state police,
26 which shall request the license holder's name, date of birth, gender,
27 race, residential address, social security number, consent to have his
28 or her social media accounts and search engine history reviewed and
29 investigated, firearms possessed by such license holder, email address
30 at the option of the license holder and an affirmation that such license
31 holder is not prohibited from possessing firearms. The form may be in an
32 electronic form if so designated by the superintendent of state police.
33 Failure to recertify shall act as a revocation of such license. If the
34 New York state police discover as a result of the recertification proc-
35 ess that a licensee failed to provide a change of address, the New York
36 state police shall not require the licensing officer to revoke such
37 license. In order to ascertain whether any social media account or
38 search engine history of a licensee presents any good cause for the
39 revocation of a license, the New York state police shall, after obtain-
40 ing the licensee's consent pursuant to this subdivision, and obtaining
41 any log-in name, password or other means for accessing a personal
42 account, service, or electronic communications device necessary to
43 review such licensee's social media accounts and search engine history,
44 review a licensee's social media accounts for the previous three years
45 and search engine history for the previous year and investigate posts or
46 searches related to (i) commonly known profane slurs or biased language
47 used to describe the race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender,
48 religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation of a
49 person; (ii) threatening the health or safety of another person; (iii)
50 an act of terrorism; or (iv) any other issue deemed necessary by the New
51 York state police. For the purposes of this subdivision, "social media
52 accounts" shall only include Facebook, Snapchat, Twitter and Instagram,
53 and "search engine" shall only include Google, Yahoo and Bing. Upon
54 completion of the investigation, the New York state police shall report
55 the results to the licensee without unnecessary delay.
S. 9191 4
1 § 2. This act shall take effect on the ninetieth day after it shall
2 have become a law. Effective immediately the addition, amendment and/or
3 repeal of any rule or regulation necessary for the implementation of
4 this act on its effective date are authorized to be made and completed
5 on or before such effective date.
And Nobody in NYS will challenge the constitutionality of it, because they cant .
“In every state of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.” -Declaration of independence
Congress shall make no law … abridging … the right of the people … to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” ( but the Governor is allowed to do anything he wants)
— from the First Amendment
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
And the Senate and House will fall in line to hand deliver this Bill directly to der Fuhrer on a gold platter. He will sign it with a quill pen with the blood of the people.
Mother of God.
This needs to be struck down by SCOTUS. We all know it will pass in NY.
The implications of this are beyond frightening.
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
Yeah the SCOTUS needs to stop making the transtesticles rights a high priority.
They will address the fact that someone refuses to bake a cake for the queers.
They will address the fact that someone refuses to give a marriage license to the queers.
But the SCOTUS seems to have no interest in protecting the 2A our most important constitutional right.
Something has to be done about the ban states, but I won't be holding my breath.
Oh shit,,, I just typed "transtesticles" and "queers"
Even though I have a clean criminal record.
I just blew any chance of me getting a PP in this state...
Hate speech don't ya know.
FUAC you tyrannical un American piece of shit.
Oh' man, now I really blew it.
Well, except for the fact that I will be living in South Carolina at this time next year.
I have to get away from FUAC, this is no way to live. And moving out of NYS is obviously the only way to accomplish that.
They will address the fact that someone refuses to bake a cake for the queers.
They will address the fact that someone refuses to give a marriage license to the queers.
But the SCOTUS seems to have no interest in protecting the 2A our most important constitutional right.
Something has to be done about the ban states, but I won't be holding my breath.
Oh shit,,, I just typed "transtesticles" and "queers"
Even though I have a clean criminal record.
I just blew any chance of me getting a PP in this state...
Hate speech don't ya know.
FUAC you tyrannical un American piece of shit.
Oh' man, now I really blew it.
Well, except for the fact that I will be living in South Carolina at this time next year.
I have to get away from FUAC, this is no way to live. And moving out of NYS is obviously the only way to accomplish that.
So much debate and worry about nothing... Even if it becomes law, is unenforceable!
"Obtain applicant consent"
Done!
I don't see wording that refusal to provide consent is automatic disqualification. And yes, the old "it will delay processing" BS is nothing new. So what, they'll take 2 years to approve your license??? Recertification denial is a joke, what will they confiscate when there's no weapons to be found at the license address? Hmmmmm...
Like I said... Any challenge will cause the State to buckle because they won't let it see the inside of a courtroom. Just my opinion of course... And there's always Greyhound (get out of this shit hole) lol...
Fuck them... Not worrying about shadows, ghosts, or unicorns!
"Obtain applicant consent"
Done!
I don't see wording that refusal to provide consent is automatic disqualification. And yes, the old "it will delay processing" BS is nothing new. So what, they'll take 2 years to approve your license??? Recertification denial is a joke, what will they confiscate when there's no weapons to be found at the license address? Hmmmmm...
Like I said... Any challenge will cause the State to buckle because they won't let it see the inside of a courtroom. Just my opinion of course... And there's always Greyhound (get out of this shit hole) lol...
Fuck them... Not worrying about shadows, ghosts, or unicorns!
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
time to accelerate my exodus from New Yorkistan
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
The courts? LOL . They own the courts.
Seriously, if they gave a shit about the law, they would know that having to give up your 4th amendment rights in order to obtain a permit for your second amendments rights is a non starter.
Seriously, if they gave a shit about the law, they would know that having to give up your 4th amendment rights in order to obtain a permit for your second amendments rights is a non starter.
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holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
camper4lyfe
.308 Win
The logistics of this are mind boggling. They’d have to collect every single phone, tablet, laptop, and PC a person uses. I can guarantee my work would NOT allow their computer to be taken for an undetermined amount of time.
When has a poorly thought out piece of anti gun legislation ever stopped NY before??
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Good point. I haven't even thought of that.
Q : Do you have a present valid NYS pistol permit? Yes.
Turn it in . We found you in violation therefore You must surrender your weapons to NYS police or face felony charges and jail time and fines. Thank you for your application with NYS
Have a great day, Governor Andrew Cuomo , Keeping new York safe .
This will not go anywhere. It's a throw away legislation that politicians from both parties use to score political points or scare their base. Since the republicans are no longer in control of anything in Albany, they can't lie to us they blocked it.
Why can't they? They lied to us about not supporting SAFE, and people STILL believe that whopper.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
Sneezy
6.5 Creedmoor
They just can't do this. Can't. It violates so much more than what we have said. How about if you run for office, you have to provide all of this and financial records? Criminal history? Size of you d*** I mean brain?
The number of lawsuits that will rise up out of this will make the courts heads spin.
Fuck this asshole and don't use any lube.
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
It may and likely will get struck down in court (though nothing would surprise me anymore) but it won't stop them from passing it.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
They'll pass it. They'll pass whatever they want without fear of consequence because they can. They have that privilege as legislatures to pass what they want and have it stick until someone brings suit and challenges the law.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
they won the west .. and other wars .. go Black
.. Powder ..
subsonic
.44 mag
I think this bill is a distraction. This is a junior senator trying to make some hay. There will be a bigger, worse bill and we won't see it in writing until all the important people in the governor's caucus have agreed to foist it on us, as with the "SAFE" Act. I doubt this one will become law.
This one is so poorly written it would be laughable if it weren't such a sickening invasion of privacy.
This one is so poorly written it would be laughable if it weren't such a sickening invasion of privacy.