How to Engage the Police While Open Carrying a Firearm .. my RANT

[Podmonkey]

Like to the like @Airborneguy. Getting ready for the summer insanity?

 

[Airborneguy]

Can't wait lol

 

[Podmonkey]

Can't wait lol

Just watch your ass eh? Weather gets warm and the crazies come out in force, like clockwork.

 

[spat]

I don't really get what is confusing about SAFE. You can make it very hard if you wish by putting your own agenda over it.

Tell me what confuses you. With my ususal brilliance I "splain' " it to you.

Ok, then explain why the existence of this:

Lancer Remington 870, 1100, 1187 12 Gauge Magazine Extension Tube 6 Rounds Carbon Fiber Black LSX-6X-R - 738435616175

Doesn't mean that every Remington 870 and 1100 in NY contains an illegal magazine that can be readily converted to hold more than 10 rounds.

Or are basically all pump action shotguns also on your list of "never bring to NY" ?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Ok, then explain why the existence of this:

Lancer Remington 870, 1100, 1187 12 Gauge Magazine Extension Tube 6 Rounds Carbon Fiber Black LSX-6X-R - 738435616175

Doesn't mean that every Remington 870 and 1100 in NY contains an illegal magazine that can be readily converted to hold more than 10 rounds.

Or are basically all pump action shotguns also on your list of "never bring to NY" ?

I think now you are getting it now. According to how it's written, all pump tubular magazines can be really converted to accept more than 10 rounds. Your Glock magazines can too with Pearce grip extensions.

Will they enforce that. No. Will they enforce that 30 years from now. Maybe. Just like the gravity knife in NYC. It was never enforced because that wasn't what they meant when they wrote the law. But years later, a locking buck folder is now a gravity knife instead of the original German gravity knife.

Have we been around then, we would be arguing about it. I would be saying that locking blades that open via centrifigual force are illegal as written and you would be arguing that only German gravity knives are illegal.

NY has a habit of writing terribly written laws.

 

[spat]

I think now you are getting it now. According to how it's written, all pump tubular magazines can be really converted to accept more than 10 rounds. Your Glock magazines can too with Pearce grip extensions.

Will they enforce that. No. Will they enforce that 30 years from now. Maybe. Just like the gravity knife in NYC. It was never enforced because that wasn't what they meant when they wrote the law. But years later, a locking buck folder is now a gravity knife instead of the original German gravity knife.

Have we been around then, we would be arguing about it. I would be saying that locking blades that open via centrifigual force are illegal as written and you would be arguing that only German gravity knives are illegal.

NY has a habit of writing terribly written laws.

If you're worried about what they *might* do in 30 years, they *might* ban everything more sophisticated than a flint lock, there is apparently nothing stopping them.

Right now, we know that it's safe to walk around with factory 10round magazines, even if it is a $10 part from amazon that makes them 12.

It's not what the law says, but it is the reality of the situation right now. Just like your basic bullet button is just fine.

Realistically, even if you just have a normal mag release, if you're sitting at the range loading the mag through the ejection port, or splitting the rifle in half to load it, nobody's going to bother you.

 

[Marine Cpl]

If you're worried about what they *might* do in 30 years, they *might* ban everything more sophisticated than a flint lock, there is apparently nothing stopping them.

Right now, we know that it's safe to walk around with factory 10round magazines, even if it is a $10 part from amazon that makes them 12.

It's not what the law says, but it is the reality of the situation right now. Just like your basic bullet button is just fine.

Realistically, even if you just have a normal mag release, if you're sitting at the range loading the mag through the ejection port, or splitting the rifle in half to load it, nobody's going to bother you.

Correct. But that's not the case if you drive through NYC to Long Island and get searched for one reason or another or if the police find your BB equipped rifle in your house upstate for one reason or another.

No one is scared. I'm just pointing out what the law says. I have Pearce grips too. I have magazines that may or may not be able to be converted with the use of tools.

It's written poorly. I know you can see that even though you pretend not to for your own purposes.

 

[spat]

Correct. But that's not the case if you drive through NYC to Long Island and get searched for one reason or another or if the police find your BB equipped rifle in your house upstate for one reason or another.

No one is scared. I'm just pointing out what the law says. I have Pearce grips too. I have magazines that may or may not be able to be converted with the use of tools.

It's written poorly. I know you can see that even though you pretend not to for your own purposes.

Nobody here has *ever* said it wasn't very poorly written.

Personally I'd love to see them push everything the literal text implies. It would be the end of the whole thing when they declare every fudd gun in upstate a "high cap mag". And every semi auto an AW. But they won't. And that means the *real* meaning of the law *at this time* is much closer to what I think it is than what you think it is.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Nobody here has *ever* said it wasn't very poorly written.

Personally I'd love to see them push everything the literal text implies. It would be the end of the whole thing when they declare every fudd gun in upstate a "high cap mag". And every semi auto an AW. But they won't. And that means the *real* meaning of the law *at this time* is much closer to what I think it is than what you think it is.

I would like that too in regards to the fudds but the real meaning of the law as written is still not what you think it is like you say. It's what they choose not to enforce due to their negligence when writing it otherwise there will be consequences for them.

Years later, they may see it differently. NYC certainly will followed by Albany, Buffalo, ect. Remember. We won't be here forever. 20 to 30 years from now, Millennials will be the cops and District Attorneys. Some are cops now.

 

[spat]

I would like that too in regards to the fudds but the real meaning of the law as written is still not what you think it is like you say. It's what they choose not to enforce due to their negligence when writing it otherwise there will be consequences for them.

Years later, they may see it differently. NYC certainly will followed by Albany, Buffalo, ect. Remember. We won't be here forever. 20 to 30 years from now, Millennials will be the cops and District Attorneys. Some are cops now.

Then a literal interpretation of SAFE will look like the good old days, and N.Y. will look like the UK, where the debate will be about how you have to lock up your kitchen knives when not actually cooking.

If the NYC "knife trick" didn't work, they would just explicitly outlaw all folders, this is a state that literally banned slingshots.

 

[Acer-m14]

Then a literal interpretation of SAFE will look like the good old days, and N.Y. will look like the UK, where the debate will be about how you have to lock up your kitchen knives when not actually cooking.

If the NYC "knife trick" didn't work, they would just explicitly outlaw all folders, this is a state that literally banned slingshots.

I miss my wrist rocket slingshot .. i was pretty good with it ... FUAC

 

[SteyrAug]

Well the only fellow needing help with SAFE is our resident snowflake spat.

Love it when people ask a question they already know the answer to.

The 870 in question has specifically banned features. DUH ! Get it ?

 

[Doc8404]

You are correct, there is no specific law banning open carry.

But you can be charged with all kinds of other stuff an ambitious DA can gin up.

AND:

From the license application: "HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ARRESTED OR INDICTED ANYWHERE FOR ANY OFFENSE, INCLUDING DWI (EXCEPT TRAFFIC INFRACTIONS)? Look at the bottom of the application, "ANY OMISSION OF FACT OR ANY FALSE STATEMENT WILL BE SUFFICIENT CAUSE TO DENY THIS APPLICATION AND CONSTITUTES A CRIME PUNISHABLE BY FINE, IMPRISONMENT, OR BOTH."

No matter how long ago, where or what the outcome was, you must report every time that you have been arrested. Failure to do so will be grounds to not issue you a license. If it was something minor that happened a long time ago, it might not be a problem, but you will have to talk to the Sheriff's Department on how to handle it. It is better to list something and be wrong than not to list what might turn out to be an arrest. Just because the charges were dropped, dismissed, or you were found not guilty, or you had some other outcome, or the charges were sealed, that does not erase the fact that you were arrested. If you were arrested for anything, in any state, the Sheriff's Department will find out. If you were arrested you might have to supply a letter of disposition from the court where you were arrested. It is the court where you were arrested that will have to give you the letter of disposition and you will have to contact them. Your issuing judge will have the final and only say in issuing the license. The Judge is ruling on your "GOOD MORAL CHARACTER," on the day the Judge issues you your license.

NOTE, you cowboys, it says ARRESTED.

When the Brady girls scream menacing you will be arrested ..... adios permit !

Actually you are wrong
I was arrested twice.
Before submitting my permit I had a local Pd pull my record (whatever the official title is). Nada. Nada. Nothing.
I got my dispositions which had to be pulled out of a basement in one court and submitted.
Permit office thanked me as they stated my record came back clean.

So. Whatever.

 

[SteyrAug]

So, you lied on your application ?

Got away with it because of bad record keeping ?

Best hope the only record is in that basement.

Wonder if the NYSP has asked your ISP for your particulars yet ?

 

[GUNSICK]

So, you lied on your application ?

Got away with it because of bad record keeping ?

Best hope the only record is in that basement.

Wonder if the NYSP has asked your ISP for your particulars yet ?

Man your a whiny little bitch.

 

[Airborneguy]

This guy exists to argue and does it with every post. If that's not a legit ban, what is?

 

[Doc8404]

So, you lied on your application ?

Got away with it because of bad record keeping ?

Best hope the only record is in that basement.

Wonder if the NYSP has asked your ISP for your particulars yet ?

Do you know how to read?
For real.
I listed it on my application.
They thanked me.
Dumbass troll.
Seriously. You need to fuck off

 

[GUNSICK]

This guy exists to argue and does it with every post. If that's not a legit ban, what is?

I still need my 10 grand from this Fudd before he gets banned!

 

[SteyrAug]

Actually you are wrong
ACTUALLY I WAS RIGHT
I was arrested twice.
YOU SAID YOU WERE ARRESTED TWICE RIGHT ?
Before submitting my permit I had a local Pd pull my record (whatever the official title is). Nada. Nada. Nothing.
A CHECK OF YOUR RECORDS SHOWED NO ARRESTS ?
I got my dispositions which had to be pulled out of a basement in one court and submitted.
YOUR DISPOSITIONS SHOWED NO CHARGES ?
Permit office thanked me as they stated my record came back clean.
SO YOU DID NOT LIE ON YOUR APPLICATION OR DID YOU ?

Here's what you could have said (plain English)
I was arrested twice, I put that on my application
Before submitting my permit application I had the dispositions of those arrests pulled.
I submitted that with my permit application.
I received my permit.

Simple eh ?

 

[GUNSICK]

Actually you are wrong
ACTUALLY I WAS RIGHT
I was arrested twice.
YOU SAID YOU WERE ARRESTED TWICE RIGHT ?
Before submitting my permit I had a local Pd pull my record (whatever the official title is). Nada. Nada. Nothing.
A CHECK OF YOUR RECORDS SHOWED NO ARRESTS ?
I got my dispositions which had to be pulled out of a basement in one court and submitted.
YOUR DISPOSITIONS SHOWED NO CHARGES ?
Permit office thanked me as they stated my record came back clean.
SO YOU DID NOT LIE ON YOUR APPLICATION OR DID YOU ?

Here's what you could have said (plain English)
I was arrested twice, I put that on my application
Before submitting my permit application I had the dispositions of those arrests pulled.
I submitted that with my permit application.
I received my permit.

Simple eh ?

Hahahahaha, now you want to tell other members how to write there posts because you have a comprehension problem? Man your off your meds today.

 

[Doc8404]

Actually you are wrong
ACTUALLY I WAS RIGHT
I was arrested twice.
YOU SAID YOU WERE ARRESTED TWICE RIGHT ?
Before submitting my permit I had a local Pd pull my record (whatever the official title is). Nada. Nada. Nothing.
A CHECK OF YOUR RECORDS SHOWED NO ARRESTS ?
I got my dispositions which had to be pulled out of a basement in one court and submitted.
YOUR DISPOSITIONS SHOWED NO CHARGES ?
Permit office thanked me as they stated my record came back clean.
SO YOU DID NOT LIE ON YOUR APPLICATION OR DID YOU ?

Here's what you could have said (plain English)
I was arrested twice, I put that on my application
Before submitting my permit application I had the dispositions of those arrests pulled.
I submitted that with my permit application.
I received my permit.

Simple eh ?

I usually have respect for my elders but you are a fucktard.

 

[Doc8404]

Arrests.
Convictions.
Different things.
Read application.
Answer questions accurately.
I even wrote a letter.
Judge was impressed enough to give unrestricted.

Sounds like your fudd-self has SAFE HOTLINE on speed dial for your $500.

 

[SteyrAug]

I'm really surprised you are on this site as you act like a Democrap........

When in doubt call the opposition silly obscene names.

 

[Doc8404]

I'm really surprised you are on this site as you act like a Democrap........

When in doubt call the opposition silly obscene names.

And if you see my posts prior to this, you'll see I am one that does not call names. However, you truly are being an asshole.

My post was clear to all. I don't need to defend myself to you. My files are accurate. Judge agreed. Luckily you're just some hillbilly that does not matter.

 

[SteyrAug]

You just can't stop yourself ! Clearly a Hillary voter !

BTW, I'm still waiting for ANY of these non leo "open carry is okay" guys to actually do what I suggested.

The have not and will not because being a tough guy on a blog is as far as they can get !

Let them test the law and we can put this issue to bed.

 

[Doc8404]

Haha. Yep. Voted for Hillary twice.

 

[SteyrAug]

About those 200,000 jobs she promised upstate............

AND when will scat and his pals walk around strapped in the open ?

Answer ...... NEVER !

YOUR GIRL......

 

[GUNSICK]

About those 200,000 jobs she promised upstate............

AND when will scat and his pals walk around strapped in the open ?

Answer ...... NEVER !

YOUR GIRL...... View attachment 14419

She kinda reminds me of your mother when we used to go down to the speak easy and do the naked charleston.

 

[GOPerfect]

Seriously dude, what is your issue? Just because you are a conformist and have no respect for the constitution or our founding does not mean you have to be such a blow job.

 

[GOPerfect]

She kinda reminds me of your mother when we used to go down to the speak ease and do the naked charleston.

Was that before or after to buffet breakfast?