hunter orange.

[spat]

Must we measure every little thing against "unimaginable tyranny"? It's a hunter safety regulation. You shouldn't even have to be told to do it. If you want to be a tough guy then don't do it. No punishment the state could give you (small fine?) could possibly be worse than having somebody accidentally shoot you. Be smart.

Yes, tyranny isn't one single oppression.

Totalitarianism isn't one unendurable rule, it is a million little rules controlling every facet of your life. That's the "total" in "totalitarian".

It is a death by 1000 cuts. Do you ignore cut #673 because there are already 672 other ones ?

 

[spat]

If I am in the woods during gun season, even if I am not hunting, I am wearing orange as ways to protect against the lazy hunters who shoot at noises and unidentified movements. So are the people with me. Better safe than sorry. The burden to wear the orange is on the hunters, but anyone setting foot in the woods during gun season should be proactive. When I was a kid my parents wouldn't allow the kids to be in our own woods because we had no idea who might take it upon themselves to be a trespassing slob hunter and take potshots at anything that moved.

Sure, it is good advice. Everyone would do well to heed it.

But good advice shouldn't be mandatory. That crosses a line that should never be crossed.


I'm willing to bet if I examined your life I could find lots of examples of good advice you aren't following.

Cutting down on sugar is great advice, does that mean Bloomberg was right when he outlawed large soda ? Obesity kills way more people than hunting accidents.

 

[tc556guy]

Sure, it is good advice. Everyone would do well to heed it.

But good advice shouldn't be mandatory. That crosses a line that should never be crossed.


I'm willing to bet if I examined your life I could find lots of examples of good advice you aren't following.

Cutting down on sugar is great advice, does that mean Bloomberg was right when he outlawed large soda ? Obesity kills way more people than hunting accidents.

My consumption of sugar isn't going to harm you
This regulation is intended to limit the number of accidental shootings, which is a good thing
You're tilting at windmills here

 

[Robin]

They aren't "accidents", negligence, at best.
Robin

 

[tc556guy]

They aren't "accidents", negligence, at best.
Robin

Whatever label we want to use, the point is to reduce the frequency of them.

 

[GOPerfect]

I do not own a single piece of orange clothing for hunting. Never have and I never will.

I wear whatever the hell I want while hunting.

I do not wear the clothes or the colors of what others do. If you do not like it, tough.

I will not be dictated to on everything by the State.

They do NOT know what is best for me.

 

[Robin]

It is not a label. Better hunters will also reduce the frequency, shortening seasons to one day will also reduce frequency, all manor of intrusive lawmaking will also reduce frequency.
Robin

 

[GOPerfect]

I believe that Orange became a "Thing" in the early 70's. Prior to that, people were free to live their hunting life the way they wished.

Ah... The 70's, the shitty decade when Big government began to take a lot of control:

About the same time when the .gov made car companies to add seat belts.

About the same time as warnings on cigs.

And today, people eat up the additional regulations.

Just wait for deer meat to be deemed inedible by the .gov.

Yeah, some will adhere....

 

[nycarry]

Funny you bring up the 70's. I was literally just reading about Gunsmoke's opening.

I'm a fan of Gunsmoke the TV show, and they changed the opening to non violent scene because the Marshall was killing too many people in the early 70's.

From IMDB
"With the anti-violence movement of the early 1970s, the opening gunfight was dropped, replaced by Matt riding his horse."

To stay on topic, they only wore Black or White heh.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

I got my shots because organizations I belong to were requiring that we get them in order to transition from zoom meetings back to face to face meetings. Besides, despite the gloom and doom from some about the side effects some people have, in general I believe that the shots help more than they hurt

How do they help? I still don't even understand what they're supposed to do. You can still transmit and receive covid while vaccinated. Seriously asking. What are the vaccines supposed to do?

 

[Robin]

Funny you bring up the 70's. I was literally just reading about Gunsmoke's opening.

I'm a fan of Gunsmoke the TV show, and they changed the opening to non violent scene because the Marshall was killing too many people in the early 70's.

From IMDB
"With the anti-violence movement of the early 1970s, the opening gunfight was dropped, replaced by Matt riding his horse."

To stay on topic, they only wore Black or White heh.

I still watch Gunsmoke. My wife and I watch it every night, along with Cheyenne and a bunch of other westerns including movies from the 50-60's. They're mostly in black and white, but I guess back then most things were black and white.
Robin

 

[GOPerfect]

How do they help? I still don't even understand what they're supposed to do. You can still transmit and receive covid while vaccinated. Seriously asking. What are the vaccines supposed to do?

Stay on topic. My gods man... No more Covid threads. Please....

 

[Chevusa]

Yes, tyranny isn't one single oppression.

Totalitarianism isn't one unendurable rule, it is a million little rules controlling every facet of your life. That's the "total" in "totalitarian".

It is a death by 1000 cuts. Do you ignore cut #673 because there are already 672 other ones ?

It’s a safety reg. If you don’t want to follow it then don’t. Few will care. Nobody will be locked up because of it. It’s sad that you’d need to even have to tell people these basic things.

 

[Mosinitis]

I tried hunting before I got hooked on competitive shooting. 3 or 4 times I went hunting, I wore an orange hat. I don't remember if it was mandatory during mid 90's, but this was taught in mandatory hunter's education class. I had no idea this was government tyranny. Darn.

 

[GOPerfect]

So many Americans like having the Government look out for them and load them with rules and regulations.

 

[Robin]

Ich weiss nicht, was soll es bedeuten,
Dass ich so traurig bin;
Ein Märchen aus alten Zeiten,
Das kommt mir nicht aus dem Sinn.
Die Luft ist kühl, und es dunkelt,
Und ruhig fliesst der Rhein;
Der Gipfel des Berges funkelt
Im Abendsonnenschein.
Die schönste Jungfrau sitzet
Dort oben wunderbar,
Ihr goldenes Geschmeide blitzet, Sie kämmt ihr goldenes Haar.
Sie kämmt es mit goldenem Kamme
Und singt ein Lied dabei;
Das hat eine wundersame,
Gewaltige Melodei.
Den Schiffer im kleinen Schiffe
Ergreift es mit wildem Weh;
Er schaut nicht die Felsenriffe,
Er schat nur hinauf in die Höh.
Ich glaube, die Welllen verschlingen
Am Ende Schiffer und Kahn;
Und das hat mit ihrem Singen
Die Lorelei getan.

I don't know what it means
That I am so sad
A legend of bygone days
That I cannot keep out of my mind.

The air is cool and night is coming.
The calm Rhine courses its way.
The peak of the mountain dazzles
With evening's final ray.
The fairest of maidens is sitting
Up there, a beautiful delight,
Her golden jewels are shining,
She's combing her golden hair.
She holds a golden comb,
Singing along, as well
An enthralling
And spellbinding melody.
In his little boat, the boatman
Is seized by it with a savage woe.
He does not look upon the rocky ledge
But rather high up into the heavens.
I think that the waves will devour
The boatman and boat in the end
And this by her song's sheer power
Fair Loreley has done.

 

[Chevusa]

It’s history and tradition. Serious outdoorsman don’t need to be told. They already know the smart things to do and already have closets filled with the appropriate gear. Been that way for much longer than I’ve been around. It’s almost a rite of passage to have your parents take you to the outdoor store at a young age to get you your own sporting apparel, complete with plenty of safety orange. Heck, out my way people decorate their houses with the patterns and even have the sheet sets on their beds. They love it.

 

[tc556guy]

How do they help? I still don't even understand what they're supposed to do. You can still transmit and receive covid while vaccinated. Seriously asking. What are the vaccines supposed to do?

They're meant to lessen you developing symptoms serious enough that you would need to be hospitalized

 

[Chevusa]

I tried hunting before I got hooked on competitive shooting. 3 or 4 times I went hunting, I wore an orange hat. I don't remember if it was mandatory during mid 90's, but this was taught in mandatory hunter's education class. I had no idea this was government tyranny. Darn.

You dummy! You should have rounded up the militia! Don’t you know that anything you are asked to do is tyranny?!

 

[GOPerfect]

It’s history and tradition. Serious outdoorsman don’t need to be told. They already know the smart things to do and already have closets filled with the appropriate gear. Been that way for much longer than I’ve been around. It’s almost a rite of passage to have your parents take you to the outdoor store at a young age to get you your own sporting apparel, complete with plenty of safety orange. Heck, out my way people decorate their houses with the patterns and even have the sheet sets on their beds. They love it.

History and tradition?

What from the 1970's?

That is not history in the making.

It is overreach of government officials.

My grandparents dressed in normal clothes and went hunting. My father dressed in normal clothes and went hunting.

This is not at all tradition.

 

[Chevusa]

History and tradition?

What from the 1970's?

That is not history in the making.

It is overreach of government officials.

My grandparents dressed in normal clothes and went hunting. My father dressed in normal clothes and went hunting.

This is not at all tradition.

How old do you think some of the holiday “traditions” that we all participate in are? The answer may surprise you. Many are much more modern than you’d ever expect. The sportsman out by me love it. That’s why the stores have entire sections dedicated to it.

 

[GOPerfect]

How old do you think some of the holiday “traditions” that we all participate in are? The answer may surprise you. Many are much more modern than you’d ever expect. The sportsman out by me love it. That’s why the stores have entire sections dedicated to it.

All of my holiday traditions are century's old. For others, I have no idea.

This Orange shit to protect the people is nothing but overreaching government. Just like seat belt laws, helmet laws, ammo limit laws while hunting and so on.

Why only three or five rounds while hunting? No reason for it at all.

All of this is bullshit. You wanna dress up looking all orange, by all means, you do you.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

I'm not worried. I'm more worried for the anti-vaxxers in general

I can appreciate that........with a near 99% survival rate.

 

[tc556guy]

How do they help? I still don't even understand what they're supposed to do. You can still transmit and receive covid while vaccinated. Seriously asking. What are the vaccines supposed to do?

They're meant to lessen you developing symptoms serious enough that you would need

I can appreciate that........with a near 99% survival rate.

Until you're one of the 1% and then it's a bad day. But we're off topic

 

[GOPerfect]

 

[Steal2B]

I find this type of narrow minded color biased regulation to be discrimination based on color, and divisive to the community of color.

How do High Visibilty Safety Yellow vests feel?

How can beareaucrats ignore fluorescent lime?

Goddamn beareaucrat biggots.

Bright Lime Matters​

 

[tony]

Identify your target AND what is beyond it. If you THINK it's the game you seek you HAVE NOT identified your target...

 

[Mosinitis]

Good firearms safety is in layers. If one layer fails other layers prevent death or injury. I thought this was well known.

 

[Nighttrain]

Hunter Safety Basics

Hunter Orange and Pink

Human's vision compared to a deer's vision.
Deer cannot tell red or orange from green.
New York State law requires hunters age 14 and 15, and their mentors, hunting deer or bear with a gun, to wear fluorescent hunter orange or pink visible from all directions: shirt, jacket, or vest with at least 250 square inches of solid or patterned fluorescent orange or pink (the pattern must be at least 50% orange or pink) OR a hat with at least 50% fluorescent orange or pink.

All other hunters are not required by law to wear fluorescent orange while hunting in New York. However, the DEC highly recommends ALL hunters wear a fluorescent orange hat, vest and/or coat while hunting small game or big game.

 

[Celt]

So you're mad because hunters are required to wear orange or pink while afield? Seriously?

Angry that the government is FORCING people to.