Illegals have a right to vote, says Vermont SC

[GOPerfect]

Then why do we tax their income, purchases, real estate, etc?

When I lived and I worked in Germany I paid taxes, I was unable to vote.

I have traveled to a total of 32 foreign Nations, every purchase I made I was taxed, I was unable to vote.

So you think if somebody pays a tax in the United States they should be allowed to vote?

 

[diggs223]

What of Americans legally living abroad ? Do they get to vote in that country ? not pay taxes ?

 

[GOPerfect]

If they cant vote perhaps we shouldn't tax their income or purchases.

I own property in Denmark, every year I pay taxes on that property. No I cannot vote in their elections.

 

[JonStoh]

They're not mutually exclusive.

If you buy something you pay sales tax.

If you own property you pay taxes.

If you want to vote BECOME A CITIZEN.

The constitution is for US citizens rights. Not non citizens.

100% false. The US Constitution protects all persons on US territory. This was established many years ago.

 

[JonStoh]

The important thing is the original Post in this thread is completely false. VT Supreme Court did NOT say illegals can vote. Not in local or any other elections.

 

[GOPerfect]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/vermont/articles/2023-01-23/vermont-supreme-court-rules-in-favor-of-noncitizen-voting

 

[SomeSoldier]

Then why do we tax their income, purchases, real estate, etc?

Because they are visiting, just like other countries would tax you or I if we purchased something or got paid buy one of their companies.

 

[SomeSoldier]

The important thing is the original Post in this thread is completely false. VT Supreme Court did NOT say illegals can vote. Not in local or any other elections.

Still have not answered my question. Are illegal aliens citizens?

 

[JonStoh]

Still have not answered my question. Are illegal aliens citizens?

You're joking, right?

 

[JRtraderny]

I own property in Denmark, every year I pay taxes on that property. No I cannot vote in their elections.

Ditto I own property in Canada I can't vote, I would have to become a Canadian citizen before I could . There is a huge difference between a citizen and a legal resident.

 

[JonStoh]

Ditto I own property in Canada I can't vote, I would have to become a Canadian citizen before I could . There is a huge difference between a citizen and a legal resident.

Okay but this thread is about illegal aliens being able to vote and the Vermont supreme Court said nothing about that

 

[GOPerfect]

Okay but this thread is about illegal aliens being able to vote and the Vermont supreme Court said nothing about that

Yes they did ...


Last week, the Vermont legislature overrode vetoes by Republican Gov. Phil Scott, greenlighting voter-approved changes to the city charters of Montpelier and Winooski. Those cities now allow all residents over age 18 to vote in city elections, regardless of citizenship status. Noncitizen voting in federal elections remains illegal nationwide.

 

[JRtraderny]

Okay but this thread is about illegal aliens being able to vote and the Vermont supreme Court said nothing about that

And I said nothing about illegal aliens did I ?

 

[JonStoh]

Yes they did ...


Last week, the Vermont legislature overrode vetoes by Republican Gov. Phil Scott, greenlighting voter-approved changes to the city charters of Montpelier and Winooski. Those cities now allow all residents over age 18 to vote in city elections, regardless of citizenship status. Noncitizen voting in federal elections remains illegal nationwide.

It means "legal residents".

NYC tried the same thing. Only for LEGAL residents.

Keep screaming at that windmill bro.

 

[Modean]

If they cant vote perhaps we shouldn't tax their income or purchases.

You are actually making a case for not letting them into our country at all.

 

[GOPerfect]

It reads whatever the status of the resident is. I am sure reading comprehension is easy for some but I understand it is difficult for others. This says nothing about their legal status, it says all residents. All.

t means "legal residents".

NYC tried the same thing. Only for LEGAL residents.

Keep screaming at that windmill bro.

 

[JonStoh]

You are actually making a case for not letting them into our country at all.

That would destroy our economy. We depend on foreign workers, tourists and immigration.

 

[SonOfSun]

As usual, the ignorance shows its face. You see, I support the United States Constitution.

Twenty-Sixth Amendment Section 1: The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on a. . .

That doesn't say non-citizens can't vote. It says citizens must be given the right to vote. It does not mention other groups and their ability or inability to vote at all.

I don't want non-citizens voting, but nothing there says non citizens can't vote. In fact, in 1996 a law was passed for all federal elections that require citenship to vote in federal elections. Know why they passed that law? Because the constitution and its amendments don't explicitly forbid it.

 

[GOPerfect]

That would destroy our economy. We depend on foreign workers, tourists and immigration.

No we actually don't. You would absolutely need to show me where immigration and workers and Taurus are the backbone of our economy.

This is one of those made up lies that are echoed by people on the left. It is not true. This form of lie has been pushed down on the American people so much that people like you believe it.

 

[SonOfSun]

I own property in Denmark, every year I pay taxes on that property. No I cannot vote in their elections.

What does law in Denmark have to do with law in the USA?

If you think how they do things in Denmark is how they should do them here please tell me how much you want publicly funded medical care for all. They do that there.. or maybe... just maybe.... Denmark is not the USA. Personally i give zero fucks how Denmark does things.

 

[SomeSoldier]

You're joking, right?

You said illegal were not non-citizens. Its a binary choice, either they are or are not. I already re-read and did a search on the article, no where in the article did it mention green card, visa, or anything else. In the absences of specifics I use it in the broadest term possible, these leftist journalists use this wording in a way to give the best light on the worst situations for their political lean on the topic.

So again you still have not answered my question.

 

[SomeSoldier]

You are actually making a case for not letting them into our country at all.

I can get onboard with this.

 

[SonOfSun]

You said illegal were not non-citizens. Its a binary choice, either they are or are not. I already re-read and did a search on the article, no where in the article did it mention green card, visa, or anything else. In the absences of specifics I use it in the broadest term possible, these leftist journalists in use this wording in a way to give the best light on the worst situations for their political lean on the topic.

So again you still have not answered my question.

Illegal is not the same as non-citizen. It's like squares and rectangles. All squares are rectangles, not all rectangles are squares. All illegals are non-citizens, but not all non-citizens are illegals. Someone in the USA going through the proper work visa paperwork etc. and doing everything by the book is not here illegally.

Do I think they should be able to vote? No I don't, but they aren't the same thing.

 

[SonOfSun]

You said illegal were not non-citizens. Its a binary choice, either they are or are not. I already re-read and did a search on the article, no where in the article did it mention green card, visa, or anything else. In the absences of specifics I use it in the broadest term possible, these leftist journalists in use this wording in a way to give the best light on the worst situations for their political lean on the topic.

So again you still have not answered my question.

That's because the article is written like the misleading piece of shit it is. You can read direct from the town that passed it what it says.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.winooskivt.gov/DocumentCenter/View/3640/Fact-Sheet-final-English&ved=2ahUKEwic_IGcn-H8AhXgM1kFHXMDDnkQFnoECA8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw20vG6hKU5Ur02nDyigzR9n

Who would be qualified to vote? Residents here under a federally sanctioned legal category
(such as a green card or a permanent resident visa, etc.) and who will be 18 years of age or
older on or by election day.

In absence of the specifics YOU should find the specifics, not just assume they are are whatever you think they might be. It took all of 1 minute to find it via a Google search. This applies to all things in life. Articles intentionally leave things out and will claim shit like "illegals can now vote" when if you actually read what was passed you'd know that's not the case.

 

[JonStoh]

You said illegal were not non-citizens. Its a binary choice, either they are or are not. I already re-read and did a search on the article, no where in the article did it mention green card, visa, or anything else. In the absences of specifics I use it in the broadest term possible, these leftist journalists use this wording in a way to give the best light on the worst situations for their political lean on the topic.

So again you still have not answered my question.

No, no, no.

There are many catagories of people in the USA who are not citizens but are also NOT illegals.

People on tourist visas, work visas, education visas. Permanent Residents. Diplomatic personnel. All legally present in the USA, none of them citizens.

Jeeeez...

 

[byron]

In 2021, the Democrat-controlled Vermont Legislature approved two separate bills to change the municipal charters of Montpelier and Winooski, the most diverse community in the state, to allow legal residents who are not U.S. citizens to vote in local elections. Republican Gov. Phil Scott vetoed the measures, but the Legislature overrode his vetoes.

 

[libertysnake]

If you're not outraged over this you're an idiot.

Non citizens should not be voting in American elections.

Period. No verbal gymnastics. Period. None.

I'm outraged, but there aren't really words for this. I can think of actions for this, but not words.

 

[JonStoh]

Whatever happened to State's Rights?

If Vermont wants to let non-citizens vote in state elections, who cares.

 

[GOPerfect]

Whatever happened to State's Rights?

If Vermont wants to let non-citizens vote in state elections, who cares.

Because it goes against the US Constitution. Period.

This is in the US Constitution, so, States Rights issues do not come into play.

By your thinking, States that want to have slavery again, should be allowed!

 

[Rocpo]

Non-citizen means people with a Green Card or Work Visa, not illegals.

Since when do your lefty friends stop at anything other then the furthest limits?

If they cant vote perhaps we shouldn't tax their income or purchases.

If they were rounded up and sent home, this wouldn't be an issue. You don't get to break into my house and then get a say in what's for dinner.

No, no, no.

There are many catagories of people in the USA who are not citizens but are also NOT illegals.

People on tourist visas, work visas, education visas. Permanent Residents. Diplomatic personnel. All legally present in the USA, none of them citizens.

Jeeeez...

And all are GUESTS in this country. Those should be treated as such and NOT given the rights of CITIZENS.