Dinkus the Stinkus
.44 mag
I was out for a jog the other day and saw this up outside my local Tops. Seems fairly spot on to what many of us believe.
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Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Transit and North French if my photographic memory serves.
Dinkus the Stinkus
.44 mag
Damn, good eye.
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
I went to the website listed, its dripping in neo-nazi undertones
Edit: a quick google search links the founding idea to 1930's Germany and the idea of linking a racially defined blood with a united settlement area, hence the "blood and soil" name. This is true Nazi or neo-nazi shit, not the made up nazi label the liberals throw around willy nilly.
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Edit: a quick google search links the founding idea to 1930's Germany and the idea of linking a racially defined blood with a united settlement area, hence the "blood and soil" name. This is true Nazi or neo-nazi shit, not the made up nazi label the liberals throw around willy nilly.
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Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
Dinkus the Stinkus
.44 mag
From my understanding of what they have written is they are pro USA as the nazis were pro Germany. As bad a rap as the nazis have is being pro USA really a bad idea?
I also believe different cultures thrive in different lands just like elephants thrive in different lands than Prarie dogs.
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
America was founded as an idea that "all men are created equal" and independence and self determination are natural laws. Nothing wrong with being pro- American, I am just as much a patriot as anyone here. My problem comes from when you start defining who is and isnt American by racial lines. I dont care the color of ones skin, as long as he/she believes in the idea in which this great country was founded. Iv met plenty of immigrants who love America more than people born and raised here. Iv met black, mexican and some from the middle east with a great concept of freedom and liberty then a lot of white people.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Right on. I’m not into that Nazi shit either. Anyone’s fine by my books as long as they are reasonable. I agree with the fact that they should have a good foundation and uphold what the country was found on.
Even recently I’ve met some really nice gay people that were 100% reasonable. I don’t agree with that life style, but they were not way out in left field either.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
Nazi's were just another form of socialism that failed, like all the rest, but some like Cuba, Venezuela, and Antifa think they can make it work.
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speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
I get to meet a lot of new people and see the inside of their home in my line of work. Most gay men Iv met (I know that sounds bad but it what it is) have well kept homes usually in upper end neighborhoods and hold many conservative views. We’ve been so conditioned to think that because someone lives a certain lifestyle it means they will vote a certain way. We are all individuals and have our own opinions on things.
And the problem is that we are increasingly becoming a "tow the party line" system.
In reality, both R and D have a lot, if not the majority in common with one another. But this imaginary platform they invent for each party takes a view on any given stance, and that's what the followers will think/vote on, even if they don't agree with it or can't defend it.
Dinkus the Stinkus
.44 mag
While I agree that during its creation America was an idea and I also agree that no matter ones race or beliefs they can be great people there is another question.
If you were to go to Mexico, Britain, China, Germany or Saudi Arabia and you learn their language embrace their beliefs do everything to act exactly as they do, will you ever become a Mexican, Brit, Chinese, German or Saudi or would you just be an American living in those countries?
A Mexican who chooses to legally live in America is just that a Mexican living in America same for an African or a Chinese person. They might even become American citizens but they are still Mexican/African/Chinese living in America.
If you were to go to Mexico, Britain, China, Germany or Saudi Arabia and you learn their language embrace their beliefs do everything to act exactly as they do, will you ever become a Mexican, Brit, Chinese, German or Saudi or would you just be an American living in those countries?
A Mexican who chooses to legally live in America is just that a Mexican living in America same for an African or a Chinese person. They might even become American citizens but they are still Mexican/African/Chinese living in America.
masterswimmer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Therefore the ONLY Americans are the native Americans. Everyone else is from somewhere other than America. Your logic is seriously flawed.
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
Not in my book.
If someone wants to move here, and they’re willing to integrate into American society and life, and they’re willing to contribute to the prosperity of this country then I welcome them with open arms. I don’t care where they been as long as when they get here they’re on the same team
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
So when do they become American in your book @Dinkus the Stinkus ? Second generation? Third? Where’s the line
That’s part of what makes America better than those other countries.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
I absolutely disagree. When my Grandparents came here from Norway and Denmark, they became Americans. They were not Norwegian Americans or Danish Americans; just Americans. They gave up their citizenship and took on a new one.
If I were to leave the US and go back to the land of my ancestors, I would give up my status as an American and become Danish or Norwegian.
Dinkus the Stinkus
.44 mag
So citizenship and nationality is just an idea and legal status?
And I never said I'm not welcoming to other people and cultures I just said they aren't American.
I don't understand why many claim the US to be more of an idea than a true nationality. Why are we the only country that is based on an idea and not the nationality of the people who conquered the land? The biggest difference is this land was conquered much more recently than any land anywhere else in the world.
Just looking at it from a point of view more similar to other nations and how their national identity is not just an idea.
And I never said I'm not welcoming to other people and cultures I just said they aren't American.
I don't understand why many claim the US to be more of an idea than a true nationality. Why are we the only country that is based on an idea and not the nationality of the people who conquered the land? The biggest difference is this land was conquered much more recently than any land anywhere else in the world.
Just looking at it from a point of view more similar to other nations and how their national identity is not just an idea.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I think you become an American on an individual basis. My old boss who’s going for his green card is way more American than the other French that have green cards or citizenship that I’ve met.
As for the USA being an idea rather than the other countries yeah I agree with that in spirit because at least for the most part other countries are made up mostly of full blood Germans, Russians, or Chinese. The USA is a mix from other countries except the native Americans. So yes the idea of what America is or they want it to be brought them here to seek out a better life. I really think that’s the basis of America.
I'm sure many Native Americans will disagree with me, however:
The core reason America exists as a separate Country is that our Founding Fathers were trying to ESCAPE from what they considered a tyrannical Nationality. They wanted to live free of England, and over the years they encouraged others who wanted to live free and escape their own tyrannies to come here to live.
And, yes, there were many atrocities performed on the Native Americans. No one is perfect.
So to be a true American do you have to be descended from people that were here in the 1880s? Because by then the Native Americans had pretty much been displaced, which I guess is “conquering” the land.
If that’s so, I, who have considered myself a red-blooded American, am not, because none of my great grandparents were born here.
That’s a ridiculous result though. America is a different country than the one-ethnicity countries of Europe.
Your conquest rule means that Arnold Schwarzenegger, Barack Obama, Donald Trump, Nikki Haley, Colin Powell, and Jim Mattis (whose mother is Canadian) are not real Americans.
I’ll let you tell Mad Dog that he’s not a true American.
If that’s so, I, who have considered myself a red-blooded American, am not, because none of my great grandparents were born here.
That’s a ridiculous result though. America is a different country than the one-ethnicity countries of Europe.
Your conquest rule means that Arnold Schwarzenegger, Barack Obama, Donald Trump, Nikki Haley, Colin Powell, and Jim Mattis (whose mother is Canadian) are not real Americans.
I’ll let you tell Mad Dog that he’s not a true American.
Dinkus the Stinkus
.44 mag
By my own standards I'm not 100% American. My fathers side came here around 1917 from Italy. My mother's side however can be traced back to the 1800s in Virginia.
You also have to look at the potential for mixing of bloodlines in Europe. The Roman's had control of the continent at one time, napoleon as well, the ottomans had some, and I believe the Scandinavians had some control as well.
All of the raping and pillaging during those times would have altered the bloodlines and made the people of Europe more similar genetically and their differences are just their individual cultures and the lands they conquered and claimed as their own.
You also have to look at the potential for mixing of bloodlines in Europe. The Roman's had control of the continent at one time, napoleon as well, the ottomans had some, and I believe the Scandinavians had some control as well.
All of the raping and pillaging during those times would have altered the bloodlines and made the people of Europe more similar genetically and their differences are just their individual cultures and the lands they conquered and claimed as their own.
Dinkus the Stinkus
.44 mag
Is that so wrong? Other people can still come here and live here and be citizens but they are still nationals of wherever they hail from just as I would consider myself an American even if I lived in and supported Norway and was a citizen. Nationally I am not Norse, but legally I would be in that scenario. Why not use that same standard here?
I had an uncle and a cousin move to Norway many years ago. They became citizens and gave up their status of being a citizens of the US. They, when you ask them, will tell you that they are Norwegian, not American.
BTW, I'm not really on board with the native American thing. Indians are no more American than I am. They were here longer, but the length of time means nothing. They came from somewhere else as well.
My wife's family has been here since the late 1500's, yeah, she is not more than I am.
Considering oneself this or that, I think is a state of mind. I know a couple of people that were born in Germany to US Soldiers and have been to the US. Both of these guys have lived their entire lives in Germany and still consider themselves full American.
BTW, I'm not really on board with the native American thing. Indians are no more American than I am. They were here longer, but the length of time means nothing. They came from somewhere else as well.
My wife's family has been here since the late 1500's, yeah, she is not more than I am.
Considering oneself this or that, I think is a state of mind. I know a couple of people that were born in Germany to US Soldiers and have been to the US. Both of these guys have lived their entire lives in Germany and still consider themselves full American.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
Yeah, like your wife, my folks have been around here a long time, but you are more American than I am. You can have thirty round magazines.
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